Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Let's revisit one of the first discussions of this idea that I know of, back in June: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/351117/a-compromise-suggestion-for-itemization-trait-change-tokens

The initial cost suggestions were:

For example, appropriate costs for a Trait-Change Stone -- and these are VERY rough estimates -- might be:

500 writ vouchers.
50 copies of a token that shows up in every vMA final chest
50 copies of a token that shows up in the final chest to any of the hardest instances
100 Undaunted keys
Some huge number of alliance points.
100 copies of a token that's a very rare drop from general mobs and a fairly rare drop from world bosses and so on


Most respondents seemed to think that was reasonable, but perhaps on the high side.

Based on that discussion, I'd say:

• 40x a guaranteed vet dungeon drop is OK.
• 40x an "occasional" vet dungeon drop is not OK.
• If the costs are going to be anywhere in that range, there should be more ways to earn the tokens than PvE endgame and PvP.

In particularly, transmutation gems should be available for writ vouchers. Serious crafters should be able to do serious crafting.

I never saw that discussion. It sounds like something mostly the people wanting another mind-numbing grind would have posted and supported.
500 writ vouchers is insane. I didn't even have any crafting skill but provisioning maxed out until I had been here a year. That wouldn't be appealing as all provisioning master writs are 1-2 writ vouchers.

Why do some people insist on it taking everyone casual years to get anything and anyone in the middle months?
By that time everyone moves on to other content and grouping becomes insanely hard to do for what you want to do.

"Ideal" weapons today have perceived value in the 100s of K of gold on PC NA, and occasionally over 1 million. Writ vouchers are valued at maybe 1.3K each (please don't flame me if it's really 1.2K or 1.4K). Hence the suggestion of a price in the 100s of writ vouchers.

When I suggested 500, the drop rate for master writs felt higher to me than it does now. 150-250 might now be more reasonable.

I really hope there will be a higher chance of getting them from the longer dungeons than the shorter ones. And an even higher from the dungeons that are barely puggable at all.

eso_nya wrote: »

Were you able to easily find the Transmutation Station?
- Yes. The one in CWC aswell as the one on Rolis.

Did you successfully obtain the new currency, Transmutation Crystals?
- No. Didnt try yet, also was at 199/200 on template char.

Was the interface easy to understand when transmutating a piece of equipment?
- Yes.

Was it clear that you needed to have your target trait researched?
- Yes. But i knew that already, and would have assumed it.

Did you purchase a Transmutation Station from the Master Writ Merchant to put in your home?
- No. My "NA"-chars seem to be homeless

Was it clear when an item had been successfully transmutated?
- Yes.

Do you have any other general feedback?

- The currency cap feels to low, compared on how much a transmuttion costs (max 5 itmes in a row).

- The Station from Rolis feels far to expensive, judged by "how much time will it save me to travel to my home instead of to cwc" and "how long will it take me to get 1250 vouchers".

- The price for transmuting and the currency feel...wrong and exploitable. It feels to easy to transmute a bunch of trash-items to nirnhoned to sell for research. Edit: stuff gets bound on transmute, so that wont work. Otoh, it costs 40/200 per transmutation, not being able to transmute a full gearset in a row, doesnt feel right either. Also, with a cap inplace, it feels like u have to transmute items every once in a while, so u dont waste stones, even if u dont need to.

Awesome feedbacks, thanks for posting it.

But one comment on all this, as for the numbers of cap crystals, it doesn't bother me at all, i'll never had to transmute an entier set, usualy it'S always 1-2 pieces that you can't get proper trait, specialy weapons or undaunted shoulders and helmet... from since i started playing, only 4 items were a pain to get, Scathing mage devine chest which i never seen, not to mention vMA weapons, but i would say all weapons we get, so in my case, vMA lightning staff, BSW inferno staff, now trying to get Sunderflame 1h axe and daggers (of crouse TFS woud be cool)... so basicly 4 items i had a hard time getting since january, this on 6 toons different roles but, by the time i get the weapons to transmute, there is chances i'll have grabed lots of crystal and transmuted otehr stuff by then... some healing staff as well, but ended up getting it while running dungeons and not even farming.... as for armor, i usualy able to get it fast since armor drops way much more than weapons... of course people who wants to transmute an entire armor set, would be people willing to buy cheat Necropotence for instance in wellfited and make it divine.... but then... you can bet if we could transmute easily all stuff, even wellfited Necropotence prices will rise like hell....

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

@Bel_Shezzar @ZOS_GinaBruno

- Crafting station price. Is the current price (1250 vouchers) correct?

On PTS right now its 1250 vouchrs for the station just checked that this morning

Why not have them be an occasional reward for completing a master writ? Right now many of the writs are not worth completing. Having a chance of dropping a crystal makes the not worth the effort writs , worth the effort again.

[*] Were you able to easily find the Transmutation Station? Yes:)
[*] Did you successfully obtain the new currency, Transmutation Crystals? No, the template came with 199/200
[*] Was the interface easy to understand when transmutating a piece of equipment? Very:)
[*] Was it clear that you needed to have your target trait researched? Yes
[*] Did you purchase a Transmutation Station from the Master Writ Merchant to put in your home? Yes! It's activation box is huge though, might want to reduce that some...
[*] Was it clear when an item had been successfully transmutated? Yes:)
[*] Do you have any other general feedback? We don't know the drop chance yet from veteran content (and I am unlikely to have groups trying to farm these things on the PTS lol), but 40 crystals per re-trait is a LOT, so I would expect a guaranteed crystal from a veteran dungeon clear. 40 clears and you still don't have the trait you want, you should be able to re-trait something! (At LEAST one crystal, since some people need 5 pieces from a dungeon in the correct trait - hopefully no one is THAT unlucky to get none of the gear-trait combos they need in that many runs though.)

The 200 cap seems reasonable, but would be nicer to have a higher cap, say 440? That way we only "cap" out when we have enough to re-trait every slot once (and you aren't 'wasting' mats once you are fully geared but still running vet content). That way we would know that whatever the next update would bring we could re-trait every piece of current gear if needed:P

phileunderx2 wrote: »

There should be more ways to obtain the crystals than by just doing vet dungeons or trials. Much of the player base will be excluded myself included. I never run vet dungeons, trials and do very little pvp. So to obtain 40 ofthese crystals will not happen.

I mostly do not find people to do the pledges. Neither I can do trials cause even the guilds I am member do not do them. I PVP a bit and I would like to spend my AP and Tel Vars to get those stones.

Well I was on the PTS most of the day yesterday and I must say this is absolutely ridiculous. A group of us from our guild ran vet pledges, excited to see how many crystals we would get upon completion of each. We turn in our pledge quest and each of us go quiet on TS..... One freaking crystal!! Are you serious?! And the patch notes states you can "occasionally get them? Lmao!

I don't know about everyone else, but after the release of Master Writs, I started working my arse off getting all ten of my characters crafting maxed out. Collecting motifs and doing research on all of them, etc. Because we were told that your crafting achievements influence the chances of getting Master Writs. And even though I do writs almost every day on all my characters, 99% of the time I end up with *** 2,5, or 7 voucher Master Writs, if I get any at all on all ten of my toons! Now I see on the PTS that, if I want my own Transmutation station, I need 1250 writ vouchers!!!

But I guess that gives me time to run vet pledges, trials, or arenas 40 times or more (per patch notes: the crystals are "occasionally received") just to change the trait of ONE of my Master or Malestrom weapons! And I guess it gives me time to run these again 40+ more times to get enough Crystals to change the trait on ONE of the 99 Invigorating or Training Monster Helms from vet pledges or Monster Shoulders I was rewarded with by using my hard-earned keys.

I've been playing ESO since launch and seen ZOS go from needing one motif to now, having to collect 14 chapters to complete an armor/weapon style motif. I've seen players come and go, with most of the new players now who are only interested in grinding their character to max instead of enjoying the quests and game.

I use to love doing new zones, following the quest line, etc....but now I am too busy farming for mats, grinding for gear, crafting items for small voucher Master Writs, running vet dungeons over and over to get the monster helm I need, and trying to find everything I can to sell in my guild traders to get enough gold to purchase one of the hundreds of motif chapters, and yet they continue to introduce more styles!

And now, if I have a few pieces of armor or weapons that I want to change the trait on I have to grind to get the crystals! If I want to add the transmutation station to my other crafting stations in my cavern, I have to spend days or even weeks crafting those little 2,5, or 7 voucher Master Writs that I keep getting over and over or, even worse, buying Master Writs from traders at the current rate (and climbing) of around 1k per voucher. That's 1,250,000 gold for 1250 writ vouchers!!

When will I ever have time to even explore and do the quest line in Vvardefell when I'm grinding my arse off!?

Lady_Rosabella wrote: »

Well I was on the PTS most of the day yesterday and I must say this is absolutely ridiculous. A group of us from our guild ran vet pledges, excited to see how many crystals we would get upon completion of each. We turn in our pledge quest and each of us go quiet on TS..... One freaking crystal!! Are you serious?! And the patch notes states you can "occasionally get them? Lmao!

I don't know about everyone else, but after the release of Master Writs, I started working my arse off getting all ten of my characters crafting maxed out. Collecting motifs and doing research on all of them, etc. Because we were told that your crafting achievements influence the chances of getting Master Writs. And even though I do writs almost every day on all my characters, 99% of the time I end up with *** 2,5, or 7 voucher Master Writs, if I get any at all on all ten of my toons! Now I see on the PTS that, if I want my own Transmutation station, I need 1250 writ vouchers!!!

But I guess that gives me time to run vet pledges, trials, or arenas 40 times or more (per patch notes: the crystals are "occasionally received") just to change the trait of ONE of my Master or Malestrom weapons! And I guess it gives me time to run these again 40+ more times to get enough Crystals to change the trait on ONE of the 99 Invigorating or Training Monster Helms from vet pledges or Monster Shoulders I was rewarded with by using my hard-earned keys.

I've been playing ESO since launch and seen ZOS go from needing one motif to now, having to collect 14 chapters to complete an armor/weapon style motif. I've seen players come and go, with most of the new players now who are only interested in grinding their character to max instead of enjoying the quests and game.

I use to love doing new zones, following the quest line, etc....but now I am too busy farming for mats, grinding for gear, crafting items for small voucher Master Writs, running vet dungeons over and over to get the monster helm I need, and trying to find everything I can to sell in my guild traders to get enough gold to purchase one of the hundreds of motif chapters, and yet they continue to introduce more styles!

And now, if I have a few pieces of armor or weapons that I want to change the trait on I have to grind to get the crystals! If I want to add the transmutation station to my other crafting stations in my cavern, I have to spend days or even weeks crafting those little 2,5, or 7 voucher Master Writs that I keep getting over and over or, even worse, buying Master Writs from traders at the current rate (and climbing) of around 1k per voucher. That's 1,250,000 gold for 1250 writ vouchers!!

When will I ever have time to even explore and do the quest line in Vvardefell when I'm grinding my arse off!?

I agree with this completely the amount of crystals it takes to change one weapon or one armor is insane need to lower it a lot like 5 crystals at the most and the price of the transmutation station should be lowered that's a crazy price as well
Zos has always said and even changed zones etc... so the game wouldn't be a grind fest well in my opinion this new stuff to get will be just that.
And also I have know good people that came into the game they are not interested in questing any more they want to get to cp 160 get the gear they want and then never come back to the game I don't think this crazy amount of crystals or the crazy drop rate of them or the price of the station will win them back and one last thing with all these new motifs I don't know of many people that get the motif and say cool I am making 4 new sets of armor I want to grind to get 14 chapters most people make a set then just wear a costume...

ESO please fix this craziness

I could almost get behind the cap if you simply got more stones for doing content. They don't want you to horde so many stones that you simply have BIS traits for everything you pickup instantly. But they should either increase ways to gain stones, or increase the amount of stones you get for doing content.

As the system is currently implemented on PTS you simply will never have enough stones to even really take advantage of the system. You have 7 armor slots and 4 weapon slots, and even one toon could have multiple builds with different gear.

But if you have many alts that are actively played, the current system is simply not good enough. I guess we should be grateful they're even letting us change traits, I was just hoping for a better design. I can't see myself taking advantage of the transmutation system very often at all, maybe once in a blue moon on gear like Asylum.

majulook wrote: »

1. Transmuting on PTS requires 40 of the transmutation crystals per item you wan to transmute.

2. The transmutation process make the item bound to you.

Thank you for the answer.

code65536 wrote: »

I really want to know what the twisted logic is behind the 200 cap. These stones are not even tradeable, so why bother capping it?

I'm guessing it's there to prevent easy role swapping, I.E. divines > impenetrable and back again. Of course that just seems unnecessarily punishing to the small subset of players who pvp and pve on the same character and are looking to save some bag space.