Cheating and Exploits

Idinuse

Glamdring wrote: »

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Voltranox wrote: »

I've purely been playing PvP in Kyne and Vivec campaigns.

Now it seems like every 2nd or 3rd player I encounter is using hacked macros with no cool-downs.
The combat log reads like "skill, skill, heavy attack, skill, heavy attack" from a single player...in one second.
I feel like I'm bringing a musket to a machinegun fight.

Surely the development company is funneling every effort into combating this game-killing garbage? I would be.
Or does anyone actually work at ZOS anymore?
Have they just walked away chuckling with all the cash and left the auto-responders running?

PvP in ESO is a lot of fun, with the big map, lots of exciting battles and tactics.
But this stuff is seriously breaking it. I'm holding on out of vain hope that something will be done, but what is the point.
Week by week my impression of the whole ESO experience is being tainted by the failure of the company to stop hackers.

As things seem to be getting worse in PvP, it looks like either I start hacking too, or leave the game.
It will definitely be the latter.

Lol, get rekt. Seriously though, post a pic of your battle log so we can explain it for you. Im pretty sure there aint 2 heavy s in 1 sec in there. I play with and against rather skilled players whom i know dont use macros meself included and we all get the "nice macro" whisper now and then. Stop feeding this macrobullshit.

Voltranox

Someone on the forums timed heavy attacks and apparently they take 1.5 seconds to charge up.

Seeing a heavy attack after a class/weapon skill (not talking about enchantment or set proc's here) in the exact same second on the combat log is a tell that it's not legit.

Often I see several skills (per second) over 2 or 3 seconds, with heavy attacks sandwiched in between skills. That ain't legit.

Sharee

Voltranox wrote: »

Someone on the forums timed heavy attacks and apparently they take 1.5 seconds to charge up.

Seeing a heavy attack after a class/weapon skill (not talking about enchantment or set proc's here) in the exact same second on the combat log is a tell that it's not legit.

That depends. If the skill has a travel time, then it is possible to fire it, do a heavy attack, and have the skill land just before/after the heavy attack, almost at the same time(warden cliff racer comes to mind). Similar situation when the heavy attack has travel time (destro one, or bow one).

Voltranox

Thanks for the insight Sharee. I will pay closer attention to the logs for skills with travel time.
But I'm reasonably sure it has been a variety of skills including non-ranged.

Idinuse

Ooops on my iPhone...

Voltranox

Here's some quick examples from my combat log in Cyrodiil (just a few of many) that seem to have no cooldowns.
All the damage listed within each group happens within only one second.

Poison Injection
Heavy Attack

Dizzying Swing
Heavy Attack

Haunting Curse
Endless Fury
Crystal Fragments

Anunakis

Voltranox wrote: »

Here's some quick examples from my combat log in Cyrodiil (just a few of many) that seem to have no cooldowns.
All the damage listed within each group happens within only one second.

Poison Injection
Heavy Attack

Dizzying Swing
Heavy Attack

Haunting Curse
Endless Fury
Crystal Fragments

u can charge your heavy attack then realese it together with poison injection , it works too with any other non instant skill , both are fired at the same time , however it might not be a fully charged heavy attack ,

curse and enless fury can proc crystal fragments so even all together can be fired at the same time

newtinmpls

UrQuan wrote: »

I'll be good.

What a novel approach ... for you <snicker>

Oops, did I say that out loud?

Um...hey, did I mention that my husband found bunnies in our yard? Not a good thing, with big (70#) dogs living with us. They looked a lot like this:



Except the little white head dots were a lot more like diamonds or stars.

He was afraid to pick them up (he breaks grocery bags by accident all the time) so I had to dig up the nest and move it. I got about 4-5 of them but the rest ran off in all directions (literally).

Anyway, I appreciate this thread is a safe place to vent some frustrations, and that I think is a good thing.

Voltranox

So you can charge a heavy attack, and then while it is charged, do another skill, and then release the heavy attack?
I didn't know this. I'll try it myself.

But still - three skills in one second? I've got my skills buttons on my mouse, and no matter how mega-fast I press the buttons there's always an animation of some kind with a slight delay. Maybe it's just my ping rate that is in the way of these kinds of one-second-wonders. Animation cancelling is supposed to be light or heavy attack - then skill - then block or bash or roll.

I'm prepared to be wrong about my suspicions though.

Ackwalan

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UrQuan wrote: »

I'll be good.

What a novel approach ... for you <snicker>

Oops, did I say that out loud?

Um...hey, did I mention that my husband found bunnies in our yard? Not a good thing, with big (70#) dogs living with us. They looked a lot like this:



Except the little white head dots were a lot more like diamonds or stars.

He was afraid to pick them up (he breaks grocery bags by accident all the time) so I had to dig up the nest and move it. I got about 4-5 of them but the rest ran off in all directions (literally).

Anyway, I appreciate this thread is a safe place to vent some frustrations, and that I think is a good thing.

I had a fox den not ten yards from my kitchen window. Spent the last month watching the pups do puppy stuff as soon as the sun went down.

But staying on topic, I hate cheaters and it is ruining te game and driving away paying customers.

Anunakis

Voltranox wrote: »

So you can charge a heavy attack, and then while it is charged, do another skill, and then release the heavy attack?
I didn't know this. I'll try it myself.

But still - three skills in one second? I've got my skills buttons on my mouse, and no matter how mega-fast I press the buttons there's always an animation of some kind with a slight delay. Maybe it's just my ping rate that is in the way of these kinds of one-second-wonders. Animation cancelling is supposed to be light or heavy attack - then skill - then block or bash or roll.

I'm prepared to be wrong about my suspicions though.

it can be even 5 or 6 skill at second like heavy attack light attack 2-3 insta dots , even if macro them on logitech or similar keybords it has nothing to with cheating because it takes time or even can be broken by server lag which is frequent on cyrodiil or trial,
macroable keys are different from data injecting like cheat engine which can and cause lag spikes or weird freezes when u fight CE user

InvitationNotFound

Is this thread still being completely ignored?

If not @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom :
Any statement regarding the instant spawn mob farming in IC? Reported more than twice including video material and names...

Beardimus

Voltranox wrote: »

Here's some quick examples from my combat log in Cyrodiil (just a few of many) that seem to have no cooldowns.
All the damage listed within each group happens within only one second.

Poison Injection
Heavy Attack

Dizzying Swing
Heavy Attack

Haunting Curse
Endless Fury
Crystal Fragments

Agree on the first two, but the last combo is timing. Curse is on a delay, you fire the frag to coincide when it goes off, they dip below 20% and Fury will pop.

Universe

Army of bots farming south of Karthdar, Grahtwood, PC Europe server.
Bots apocalypse thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/357289/bots-apocalypse-please-stop-them#latest

Anunakis

bots moving around the map , it looks like rotations per time period , and quest zones are ravaged by bots and because of them many quests impossible to complete

Xvorg

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darjobuno wrote: »

Okay I am back and with a vengeance. I spent $3000.00 F'ing dollars to see just who was cheating and how it was happening. First for all those nay sayers before....
I run at 130 mbp down and 5 mbp up.
I am running at 100 FPS on a regular basis.
I am running a 32 gig, GTX 1080 system with hard component drive for processing and separate drive for gaming.
I have NO lag issues what so ever so if even one of you macro using cheating yahoos try to tell me its my system you can eat it.

Next now that I officially see everything in real freaking time. No-one and I mean No-one I don't care if you have 5000 cp can come out of a castle door and kill 6 vets in less than 2 seconds. Yet alone complete 5 separate actions in that time.

Which leads me to my one question that I want answered.

Are any form of "Macros" real, imagined, software or hardware legal?

I will assume that if this question goes unanswered for more than a month by the ZoS/Bethesda team that they are legal and I will begin using my own macro system in PvP.

PvP is a realm for competition and in competition there has to be rules that are followed and adhered to. If no one is going to enforce the rules then everyone is going to break the rules. Pure and simple logic.

Peace be with you.

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

Welp looks like I will be looking into that gaming keyboard very soon. I gave them a month to reply. Many people here have tagged and re-tagged the issues.

After I do pick up that gaming keyboard I want to apologize to all the loyal players up front who have tried to play fair for all these years.

I've stuck to the rules and TOS since the start of the game. I've done my best to report and be a helpful member of the gaming society here, but I am tired now. There are parts of PvP that I wish to be able to compete in and after the amount of money I have spent getting to where I am now I see no reason not to spend a couple hundred more to get equipment that others are using causing the equality of game play to be very uneven.

Again I am sorry all you folks out there who have done as I have done for the last 3 years and stuck to your guns playing according to the TOS.

This will probably be my last post on this thread as I join the army of evil.

Farewell my compatriots.

Is ESO so important in your life that you have to give away your honesty to keep on playing?

For me, this is just a game. It weights less than my values. I prefer 1000 times uninstall ESO than becoming something I despise, like a cheater.

Xvorg

Couple weird things I saw during the weekend and yesterday in NA Vivec:

1- A stunned templar BoL and then breaking CC
2- A 2k health templar with 3 DoTs on himself ticking 3 times. The stronger tick for 2.5K. And he never died
3- A Sorc throwing up to 3 force shocks in 1 sec
4- A Stam sorc using DBoS against a wall and hitting enemies behind him
5- A MAG SORC HAVING 2 FAMILIARS AT THE SAME TIME (no, the second wans't shadowrend), AND A TWILIGHT.
6- A templar using jabs and DBoS at the same time
7- A NB hitting 8k Selene (I did the maths and there's no way he could do it)
8- A 21k mage wrath explosion

Care to elaborate @Wrobel ?

Anunakis

selene can hit for 43 k - reduce it for crit resist and pvp dmg still more then 8k,

wrath can hit hard when hits on low level ,

other things can be glitches or data injections

Anunakis

EU megaserver bot train around fort virak - quest zone

Freecry

Anunakis wrote: »

selene can hit for 43 k - reduce it for crit resist and pvp dmg still more then 8k,

Stopp saying *** plz max selene in pvp is 6k (12 k pve) and never crit

Anunakis

Freecry wrote: »

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Anunakis wrote: »

selene can hit for 43 k - reduce it for crit resist and pvp dmg still more then 8k,

Stopp saying *** plz max selene in pvp is 6k (12 k pve) and never crit

as i said cut the crit , old selene could hit for 43k , cut the dmg in half for pvp and still it should be higher then 8k, high armor + proper resists and u can reduce it even to 3k if not it can kill someone on low life (<50%) in light armor ,

if u max out raw dmg and lower crit chance u can hit hard on cyro, just use proper set combination not proc crap all the way

Xvorg

Anunakis wrote: »

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Freecry wrote: »

Anunakis wrote: »

selene can hit for 43 k - reduce it for crit resist and pvp dmg still more then 8k,

Stopp saying *** plz max selene in pvp is 6k (12 k pve) and never crit

as i said cut the crit , old selene could hit for 43k , cut the dmg in half for pvp and still it should be higher then 8k, high armor + proper resists and u can reduce it even to 3k if not it can kill someone on low life (<50%) in light armor ,

if u max out raw dmg and lower crit chance u can hit hard on cyro, just use proper set combination not proc crap all the way

Full heavy DK with around 20% mitigation... hard to believe. That selene should have around 20k tooltip to achieve that dmg.

Xvorg

Xvorg wrote: »

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Anunakis wrote: »

Freecry wrote: »

Anunakis wrote: »

selene can hit for 43 k - reduce it for crit resist and pvp dmg still more then 8k,

Stopp saying *** plz max selene in pvp is 6k (12 k pve) and never crit

as i said cut the crit , old selene could hit for 43k , cut the dmg in half for pvp and still it should be higher then 8k, high armor + proper resists and u can reduce it even to 3k if not it can kill someone on low life (<50%) in light armor ,

if u max out raw dmg and lower crit chance u can hit hard on cyro, just use proper set combination not proc crap all the way

Full heavy DK with around 20% mitigation... hard to believe. That selene should have around 20k tooltip to achieve that dmg.

Regarding wrath, the tooltip showed just wraht and a 4k force shock

Chiefpoppasquat

Is any looking into self res and instant spawn in imperial city I have multiple videos from PS4. Since you changed campaigns sewers have been poplular on console again and now this. I lost 10 k telvar other day bc of this I'm already at a disadvantage bc of my faction on console and now the people on the most populas factions are cheating. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Anunakis

thieves guild update was a bot update , before if any bots existed were for node harvesting mostly in cragrlon , after TG pvp was screwed because many cheaters arrived, imperial city as zone for pvp and pve the most , cyrodiil became AP farmland , 3 day ban is laugh not punishment for exploiters they log in to other account or just wait that time and exploit again, no xp punishment no negative AP, crowns must flow .

ps remember to taste free crowns cheapest at dealer zenimax

Dubhliam

Who is painting other players the cheating color just because their proc does more damage than they can comprehend?

There are many many things that can impact the actual damage of the skill, not just the tooltip.
Incap strike, Relentless Focus, Reaper's Mark combined with Weapon Power pots... they all add to the damage of a skill or proc.

Stop pointing fingers before fully understanding the mechanics of the game.
It makes this whole thread look like a bunch of boys crying "wolf", when there are in fact real wolves around where we should focus our attention to.

Rayste

Dubhliam wrote: »

Who is painting other players the cheating color just because their proc does more damage than they can comprehend?

There are many many things that can impact the actual damage of the skill, not just the tooltip.
Incap strike, Relentless Focus, Reaper's Mark combined with Weapon Power pots... they all add to the damage of a skill or proc.

Stop pointing fingers before fully understanding the mechanics of the game.
It makes this whole thread look like a bunch of boys crying "wolf", when there are in fact real wolves around where we should focus our attention to.

Silly. Let me just drop this here again...

Actually, it is cheat engine. Someone who shall remain nameless that I pvp with a fair amount told me exactly how it works, how easy it is to set up and how to remain under the radar. You can dial up any stats you want. We have seen popular streamers do this. Just imagine you have 30k health, 40k stamina, 40k magicka, 3k stam and magick regen and 6k health regen for starters. It would appear as though you take little to no damage and when you do your health pops back to full with a thrown in vigor etc. Check out twitch and you will see what im saying. Unkillable? certainly not ..... the unkillable guys are known as ragehackers and they usually get banned. But some of the people that we claim to be good and can 1vx vs 3-4 legit players (not potatoes) are absolutely cheating. It is absolutely going on and the most malicious ones are going under the radar as 'great' players.

Edit: I have since canceled my eso plus subscription in lieu of this information. I know I am behind the times as this has been going on for years but it has only recently come to light for me.

Edit 2: I cannot speak to the validity of the macros but I have had a few deaths with 5-6 skills seemingly going off within 1 second. I chalked it up to lag but who knows. There is just too much of this game on the client side I think.

And as far as botters go, yes they are an issue and mainly affect the economy. However, I have a far bigger issue with people exploiting pvp and maelstrom arena end game content.

Anunakis

so u say when i kill 4-6 players among with keep guards im a cheater only because i know what skills and sets to use? and i dont even use proc sets

this thread is not about teaching pvp or game mechanics , since TG update most of ppl dont think they just zerg in and spam proc sets or steel tornado , snipe from 2m away (!) with 1k dmg and when zerglings die they call other cheaters while the real cheaters mostly are not even visible on the battlefield or rarely visible , mostly siting around the keep/resource on in delves exploiting AP gain or in imperial city,

i dont even mention unkillable data injected superheroes - thats just dump and easy to report when 200 players are hiting the same guy with 0 hp and he is still alive

i play since beta, with each update i test all the combinations for my guild ind duels and on combat dummies and vet dungs. trials

its easy to hit someone with 18k selene on cyro even in heavy armor , for those who cant understand game mechanics i propose to make new thread or find a good guild where u learn something about the game

let this thread serve its purpose pls

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Xvorg

Anunakis wrote: »

so u say when i kill 4-6 players among with keep guards im a cheater only because i know what skills and sets to use? and i dont even use proc sets

this thread is not about teaching pvp or game mechanics , since TG update most of ppl dont think they just zerg in and spam proc sets or steel tornado , snipe from 2m away (!) with 1k dmg and when zerglings die they call other cheaters while the real cheaters mostly are not even visible on the battlefield or rarely visible , mostly siting around the keep/resource on in delves exploiting AP gain or in imperial city,

i dont even mention unkillable data injected superheroes - thats just dump and easy to report when 200 players are hiting the same guy with 0 hp and he is still alive

i play since beta, with each update i test all the combinations for my guild ind duels and on combat dummies and vet dungs. trials

its easy to hit someone with 18k selene on cyro even in heavy armor , for those who cant understand game mechanics i propose to make new thread or find a good guild where u learn something about the game

let this thread serve its purpose pls

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Please, elaborate. I have an idea how can be done, but it implies another problem IMHO (increase dmg sets shouldn't affect procs)

hamgatan

Is it possible to data inject against dodgeroll/bolt escape cooldowns? Or is it more likely someone froze their resource pool?

Reason I ask is I was outrun last night by a mag sorc who did no fewer than a dozen simultaneous bolt escapes.. one after another.. which should be theoretically impossible, no one has a mag pool of the size required to do that. Base cost of 3410, and then (3410 x 1.5) x 11 = 59,675k mag pool which wouldn't have been full either because they had popped lightning form just prior, meaning over 60k. Even with return and necropotence.. it's mathematically impossible to do that.

Plus, I was on my stam sorc orc with rapids/hurricane up/steed mundus/divines/speed pot/windrunning + dark stride/fiords... Nothing should be faster no?