Cheating and Exploits

Juli'St

"nice" when someone kill you with ONE hit and 5 skill's diferent.

darjobuno

darjobuno wrote: »

Okay I am back and with a vengeance. I spent $3000.00 F'ing dollars to see just who was cheating and how it was happening. First for all those nay sayers before....
I run at 130 mbp down and 5 mbp up.
I am running at 100 FPS on a regular basis.
I am running a 32 gig, GTX 1080 system with hard component drive for processing and separate drive for gaming.
I have NO lag issues what so ever so if even one of you macro using cheating yahoos try to tell me its my system you can eat it.

Next now that I officially see everything in real freaking time. No-one and I mean No-one I don't care if you have 5000 cp can come out of a castle door and kill 6 vets in less than 2 seconds. Yet alone complete 5 separate actions in that time.

Which leads me to my one question that I want answered.

Are any form of "Macros" real, imagined, software or hardware legal?

I will assume that if this question goes unanswered for more than a month by the ZoS/Bethesda team that they are legal and I will begin using my own macro system in PvP.

PvP is a realm for competition and in competition there has to be rules that are followed and adhered to. If no one is going to enforce the rules then everyone is going to break the rules. Pure and simple logic.

Peace be with you.

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

Rohamad_Ali

hmm

darjobuno wrote: »

darjobuno wrote: »

Okay I am back and with a vengeance. I spent $3000.00 F'ing dollars to see just who was cheating and how it was happening. First for all those nay sayers before....
I run at 130 mbp down and 5 mbp up.
I am running at 100 FPS on a regular basis.
I am running a 32 gig, GTX 1080 system with hard component drive for processing and separate drive for gaming.
I have NO lag issues what so ever so if even one of you macro using cheating yahoos try to tell me its my system you can eat it.

Next now that I officially see everything in real freaking time. No-one and I mean No-one I don't care if you have 5000 cp can come out of a castle door and kill 6 vets in less than 2 seconds. Yet alone complete 5 separate actions in that time.

Which leads me to my one question that I want answered.

Are any form of "Macros" real, imagined, software or hardware legal?

I will assume that if this question goes unanswered for more than a month by the ZoS/Bethesda team that they are legal and I will begin using my own macro system in PvP.

PvP is a realm for competition and in competition there has to be rules that are followed and adhered to. If no one is going to enforce the rules then everyone is going to break the rules. Pure and simple logic.

Peace be with you.

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

I don't think they respond to this thread at all anymore .

KingMagaw

darjobuno wrote: »

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

When Z0$ first made a Cheating and Exploiting thread, players had to make many posts and threads to get them to actually STICKY the post. From then i knew they wanted a black hole where all the comments would go that they could ignore.

Tagging employees of a business asking them questions regarding their product yet be blatantly ignored is a shameful practice and just confirms my earlier call that Z0$ are incompetent to be handling exploiting in ESO as it is on the increase.

Animal_Mother

KingMagaw wrote: »

Tagging employees of a business asking them questions regarding their product yet be blatantly ignored is a shameful practice and just confirms my earlier call that Z0$ are incompetent to be handling exploiting in ESO as it is on the increase.

I feel for poor Gina. She gets tagged in about every other post created on this forum; probably about 200+/day. That's a lot of posts to check, research and provide feedback. And we all know she can't provide specifics on cheating and exploits.

Do I wish ZoS published more info on this topic? Oh hell yes. Should they be more responsive with their forums? Maybe. I would much rather see them focus more on the PTS, bug and support forums; answering feedback in those is much more important than answering questions in the more general forums.

Unfortunately, the only way to get a response is to break the rules - name and shame or excessive language.

darjobuno

Well as a subscriber to this service I have already left my demands of those who I pay for the service.

I have given a standard 30 day timeline to respond to my concerns.

If I do not receive a satisfactory answer to my concerns I plan on probably starting with a device driven system. Most likely a gaming keyboard, and I may even expand from there.

As I stated in my previous posts. PvP is a competition that needs to be a balanced playing field.
If they refuse to enforce "their" regulations and rules then "they" are condoning the behaviors that make PvP unbalanced and by not enforcing "their" own TOS they negate the legitimacy of the TOS contract.

That is why in about 12 days I will be looking at buying device driven macro systems and possibly even software overlays for scripting.

All it takes is a fresh response followed by real action and not the excuses we have heard for 3 years of "We are working on it."

As a player and subscriber I have paid $15 per month for 3 years = $540. I have bought an untold amount of crowns for special items that I truly enjoy and enhance my RP experience. In an attempt to be able to compete in PvP I purchased a $3000 game system. I pay almost $100 per month for 130 MB of net service to eliminate any local lag issues, $3600. I purchased a top of the line router to insure I have no latency there $200.

So to try to be able to enjoy and compete in the PvP parts of this game I have spent $7,340. I believe as a client to this game if I do not receive a response that I am justified in my plans moving forward.

Anunakis

KingMagaw wrote: »

darjobuno wrote: »

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

When Z0$ first made a Cheating and Exploiting thread, players had to make many posts and threads to get them to actually STICKY the post. From then i knew they wanted a black hole where all the comments would go that they could ignore.

Tagging employees of a business asking them questions regarding their product yet be blatantly ignored is a shameful practice and just confirms my earlier call that Z0$ are incompetent to be handling exploiting in ESO as it is on the increase.

there plenty of videos on youtube or in other places with cheaters showing how they use cheat engine to inject infinite resources or keep own immortality , normal players just can report cheaters and flood zenimax with tickets - cheaters is a violator of ToS , keepeing them is against fair treating each paid customer ,

I propose for those annoyed by cheaters.boters and exploiters any kind let hunt them down only 1 person reporting doesnt make difference if players work together maybe more perma bans will follow

lets join crusade against automatons

if at least dozen ppl would be interested i'll create guild for that purpose

InvitationNotFound

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

hmm

darjobuno wrote: »

darjobuno wrote: »

Okay I am back and with a vengeance. I spent $3000.00 F'ing dollars to see just who was cheating and how it was happening. First for all those nay sayers before....
I run at 130 mbp down and 5 mbp up.
I am running at 100 FPS on a regular basis.
I am running a 32 gig, GTX 1080 system with hard component drive for processing and separate drive for gaming.
I have NO lag issues what so ever so if even one of you macro using cheating yahoos try to tell me its my system you can eat it.

Next now that I officially see everything in real freaking time. No-one and I mean No-one I don't care if you have 5000 cp can come out of a castle door and kill 6 vets in less than 2 seconds. Yet alone complete 5 separate actions in that time.

Which leads me to my one question that I want answered.

Are any form of "Macros" real, imagined, software or hardware legal?

I will assume that if this question goes unanswered for more than a month by the ZoS/Bethesda team that they are legal and I will begin using my own macro system in PvP.

PvP is a realm for competition and in competition there has to be rules that are followed and adhered to. If no one is going to enforce the rules then everyone is going to break the rules. Pure and simple logic.

Peace be with you.

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

I don't think they respond to this thread at all anymore .

why should they? they've achieved their goal (everything they don't want to see in their forum is now at one location and not spread across the whole forum).

But i must admit I'm very surprised that they removed a @ZOS_Name from my previous comment. I guess their profanity filter doesn't properly work user names. Or do they filter the word "***"? (I've been told not to directly censor things like an f word which would contain an f and 3 stars or so, as their profanity filter will do the work - so for testing purposes i had to write that word again ).

Tavore1138

I'm seeing some ugly ugly stuff in battlegrounds that suggest that the cheat engine stuff is still alive and well.

KingMagaw

Anunakis wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

darjobuno wrote: »

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

When Z0$ first made a Cheating and Exploiting thread, players had to make many posts and threads to get them to actually STICKY the post. From then i knew they wanted a black hole where all the comments would go that they could ignore.

Tagging employees of a business asking them questions regarding their product yet be blatantly ignored is a shameful practice and just confirms my earlier call that Z0$ are incompetent to be handling exploiting in ESO as it is on the increase.

there plenty of videos on youtube or in other places with cheaters showing how they use cheat engine to inject infinite resources or keep own immortality , normal players just can report cheaters and flood zenimax with tickets - cheaters is a violator of ToS , keepeing them is against fair treating each paid customer ,

I propose for those annoyed by cheaters.boters and exploiters any kind let hunt them down only 1 person reporting doesnt make difference if players work together maybe more perma bans will follow

lets join crusade against automatons

if at least dozen ppl would be interested i'll create guild for that purpose

I am not paying to play the game to actually pay to police the game - it should be Z0$ priority to combat cheating. Having players 'help' is one thing bit since Z0$ are doing nothing and being as awkward as someone can be about being transparent on Cheating and Exploiting helping is like a pebble to stop a river.

Z0$ inaction and lack of any worthwhile response has encouraged cheating in ESO. Players are long past injecting 100k stamina and now they tweek figures that aren't so blatant:

+5k resistances
+750 regens
-50% reduction to roll dodge
+500 weapon damage.

All these small changes aren't detected by ESO because the calculations are done client side so ESO simply accepts the numbers pushed to them. They have algorithms to red flag values that cannot be obtained in game - 100k stamina - 10k weapon damage etc etc, this is standard now though it took Z0$ ages to add this in and only after a good lad flew around Cyro raining infinite meteors to show everyone the scope of the cheating going on.

Then other cheaters get caught, banned but cry to Z0$ saying they are sorry and have deleted the program off there computer and the players are back lol Even one player who continually cheats keep getting suspended for 3 days/2 weeks but always back on.

I literally haven't seen a project handled this badly ever. No matter what content is released, broken or working, making it Cheat and Exploit free should be the priority.

Anunakis

KingMagaw wrote: »

Anunakis wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

darjobuno wrote: »

That was from May 20th. The only information I am seeing from ZoS is from over 2 years ago and we all know they have not enforced that rule in that time. So I am still waiting for a current response to my question. Thirteen more days.

When Z0$ first made a Cheating and Exploiting thread, players had to make many posts and threads to get them to actually STICKY the post. From then i knew they wanted a black hole where all the comments would go that they could ignore.

Tagging employees of a business asking them questions regarding their product yet be blatantly ignored is a shameful practice and just confirms my earlier call that Z0$ are incompetent to be handling exploiting in ESO as it is on the increase.

there plenty of videos on youtube or in other places with cheaters showing how they use cheat engine to inject infinite resources or keep own immortality , normal players just can report cheaters and flood zenimax with tickets - cheaters is a violator of ToS , keepeing them is against fair treating each paid customer ,

I propose for those annoyed by cheaters.boters and exploiters any kind let hunt them down only 1 person reporting doesnt make difference if players work together maybe more perma bans will follow

lets join crusade against automatons

if at least dozen ppl would be interested i'll create guild for that purpose

I am not paying to play the game to actually pay to police the game - it should be Z0$ priority to combat cheating. Having players 'help' is one thing bit since Z0$ are doing nothing and being as awkward as someone can be about being transparent on Cheating and Exploiting helping is like a pebble to stop a river.

Z0$ inaction and lack of any worthwhile response has encouraged cheating in ESO. Players are long past injecting 100k stamina and now they tweek figures that aren't so blatant:

+5k resistances
+750 regens
-50% reduction to roll dodge
+500 weapon damage.

All these small changes aren't detected by ESO because the calculations are done client side so ESO simply accepts the numbers pushed to them. They have algorithms to red flag values that cannot be obtained in game - 100k stamina - 10k weapon damage etc etc, this is standard now though it took Z0$ ages to add this in and only after a good lad flew around Cyro raining infinite meteors to show everyone the scope of the cheating going on.

Then other cheaters get caught, banned but cry to Z0$ saying they are sorry and have deleted the program off there computer and the players are back lol Even one player who continually cheats keep getting suspended for 3 days/2 weeks but always back on.

I literally haven't seen a project handled this badly ever. No matter what content is released, broken or working, making it Cheat and Exploit free should be the priority.

at least cheaters should not be allowed to log in to PTS when they cheat in new content the game is adjusted to the level of cheated characteristics, when normal player (yet not casual) plays the same content it could be overwhelming like maelstrom arena - its solo so no one else can see whats going on but the always the same perfect score on leaderbords tells the truth

Elsonso

KingMagaw wrote: »

I am not paying to play the game to actually pay to police the game - it should be Z0$ priority to combat cheating. Having players 'help' is one thing bit since Z0$ are doing nothing and being as awkward as someone can be about being transparent on Cheating and Exploiting helping is like a pebble to stop a river.

Agreed. They are not paying me enough to report players who are cheating, only to ignore the report for weeks. I might feel differently if cheaters were handled quickly, even if quietly. As it is, I feel like I am wasting my time by reporting bots, particularly the scripted ones that run around Grahtwood and Shadowfen (and other places) at all times. I feel like perhaps these people are not violating the ToS and that maybe I should be looking into what they are doing so my characters can be productive while I am busy doing other things.

On the other hand, maybe this is a sign that it is time to move on to some other game. The only other time I have left ESO for any length of time was in 2Q 2014. That was the last time bots got to be frustrating and ZOS was not really showing signs of doing anything different.

Gorthax

Tavore1138 wrote: »

I'm seeing some ugly ugly stuff in battlegrounds that suggest that the cheat engine stuff is still alive and well.

It never went away and that's the problem. The people using it don't get punished. So much like proc set garbage, we should all really think about using whatever is needed to stay competitive apparently. Thanks zos

InvitationNotFound

btw... can confirm the resurrection bug in IC. works like a charm. tested once and reported it (and let me kill by the same players again). should be able to provide a video on how to do it (should have been recorded), if required by ZOS to fix the issue (in case they can't once again reproduce this). @ZOS_GinaBruno pm me for details if required.

(But i still doubt they care about this at all...)

KingMagaw

Anunakis wrote: »

at least cheaters should be allowe to log in to PTS when they cheat in new content the game is adjusted to the level of cheated characteristics, when normal player (yet not casual) plays the same content it could be overwhelming like maelstrom arena - its solo so no one else can see whats going on but the always the same perfect score on leaderbords tells the truth

I am sure some do. A lot of players play the PTS for there own benefit - to know what is going to sell, how to get certain items, what items are bugged etc. If Z0$ or someone thinks an avid player will buy the game, subscribe and get all the content, then log onto the PTS to produce reports for Z0$ then they are severely mistaken.

lordrichter wrote: »

Agreed. They are not paying me enough to report players who are cheating, only to ignore the report for weeks. I might feel differently if cheaters were handled quickly, even if quietly. As it is, I feel like I am wasting my time by reporting bots, particularly the scripted ones that run around Grahtwood and Shadowfen (and other places) at all times. I feel like perhaps these people are not violating the ToS and that maybe I should be looking into what they are doing so my characters can be productive while I am busy doing other things.

You paid them mate for the game and such but i can understand players who dont mind reporting the odd thing they see if confidence is established that the report will be taken seriously. If Z0$ are incapable of handling Cheat Engine for 3 years and certain other exploits remaining, a broken dungeon finder in an MMO (Voted best 2016/2017 which is laughable) i dont see how people fathom they can handle botters let alone be competent in the scope of data they release on the API - leaving some addons that clearly push the boundaries of exploitation.

F3arM0d3

We need an in game jail. That way, even if the players are able to get past their ban their characters will be confined to a cell where they can do nothing.

Megabear

Discuss all you want in other forums under alias

Tavore1138

Gorthax wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

I'm seeing some ugly ugly stuff in battlegrounds that suggest that the cheat engine stuff is still alive and well.

It never went away and that's the problem. The people using it don't get punished. So much like proc set garbage, we should all really think about using whatever is needed to stay competitive apparently. Thanks zos

Yeah just seen some crazy BG stuff with one duo just spamming ultis - on the one hand I wish I was set up to record, on the other why bother 'cos Zenimax certainly won't.

vamp_emily

I seen something weird today in IC. We killed a guy and he kept coming back to life. Normally they had to release, but they would just stand back up. This happened 5 times before I just gave up.

Is this cheating or a bug? I've never seen this before.

LegendaryMage

vamp_emily wrote: »

I seen something weird today in IC. We killed a guy and he kept coming back to life. Normally they had to release, but they would just stand back up. This happened 5 times before I just gave up.

Is this cheating or a bug? I've never seen this before.

It's a bug, but apparently not too hard to replicate.

edit: I mean, in the end it's cheating too, of course.

Anunakis

LegendaryMage wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I seen something weird today in IC. We killed a guy and he kept coming back to life. Normally they had to release, but they would just stand back up. This happened 5 times before I just gave up.

Is this cheating or a bug? I've never seen this before.

It's a bug, but apparently not too hard to replicate.

edit: I mean, in the end it's cheating too, of course.

most replicated bug / exploit by 1st dame of ap farming k%%% o%%% full name is against rules , who plays cyrodiil/ic then knows

StackonClown

Anunakis wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I seen something weird today in IC. We killed a guy and he kept coming back to life. Normally they had to release, but they would just stand back up. This happened 5 times before I just gave up.

Is this cheating or a bug? I've never seen this before.

It's a bug, but apparently not too hard to replicate.

edit: I mean, in the end it's cheating too, of course.

most replicated bug / exploit by 1st dame of ap farming k%%% o%%% full name is against rules , who plays cyrodiil/ic then knows

what does this mean ??? what/who is k%%%

StackonClown

Juli'St wrote: »

"nice" when someone kill you with ONE hit and 5 skill's diferent.

lag switch + macros + hist bark + triple mundus + CE + much other stuff = welcome to PVP,

famous tactic of PVP cheaters : 'noone cheats in PVP - if you die u need 2 git gud'

GeorgeBlack

Bot farming east of Haven, Grahtwood. I go to the beach over there to 1v1 with my mates and I see many bots farming Mudcrabs

Elsonso

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Bot farming east of Haven, Grahtwood. I go to the beach over there to 1v1 with my mates and I see many bots farming Mudcrabs

A person in my guild says that one of them was stuck against a rock. This is the same place where one of them was stuck on a tree.

PSA: When you are running a bot, check on it every so often. It is like a child. You should not leave it alone for too long, or it will get into trouble.

Juli'St

StackonClown wrote: »

Juli'St wrote: »

"nice" when someone kill you with ONE hit and 5 skill's diferent.

lag switch + macros + hist bark + triple mundus + CE + much other stuff = welcome to PVP,

famous tactic of PVP cheaters : 'noone cheats in PVP - if you die u need 2 git gud'

What is "hist bark"?

Idinuse

Juli'St wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Juli'St wrote: »

"nice" when someone kill you with ONE hit and 5 skill's diferent.

lag switch + macros + hist bark + triple mundus + CE + much other stuff = welcome to PVP,

famous tactic of PVP cheaters : 'noone cheats in PVP - if you die u need 2 git gud'

What is "hist bark"?

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hist+Bark+Set

Juli'St

Idinuse wrote: »

Juli'St wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Juli'St wrote: »

"nice" when someone kill you with ONE hit and 5 skill's diferent.

lag switch + macros + hist bark + triple mundus + CE + much other stuff = welcome to PVP,

famous tactic of PVP cheaters : 'noone cheats in PVP - if you die u need 2 git gud'

What is "hist bark"?

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hist+Bark+Set

but any wrong?

antihero727

Idinuse wrote: »

Juli'St wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Juli'St wrote: »

"nice" when someone kill you with ONE hit and 5 skill's diferent.

lag switch + macros + hist bark + triple mundus + CE + much other stuff = welcome to PVP,

famous tactic of PVP cheaters : 'noone cheats in PVP - if you die u need 2 git gud'

What is "hist bark"?

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hist+Bark+Set

I still don't know why you even bother with anything but trolling iskra. He barley deserves that in all honesty. His trolling has made quite a few switch sides.

Universe

So many cheating and exploits methods and yet no recent response from ZOS staff.
Just 2 days ago I have seen a Dragonknight being pulled inside a keep by a keep guard.
The keep guard used chains.
The Dragonknight then proceeded to siege the inner keep main gate while the outer main gate was still 80%+.
Someone already reported about it like a week ago, but it wasn't fixed:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/351320/eu-pc-pvp-vivec-keep-guards-pulling-players-to-the-upper-floor-with-their-chains

@ZOS_RichLambert it will be greatly appreciated if your team will work harder on blocking the above cheating and exploits, including third party programs(macro programs, cheat engine etc.).
I like to challenge myself but facing demi-gods in pvp is not my cup of tea.
Thanks!