Cheating and Exploits

Glamdring

Sharee wrote: »

Wolfkeks wrote: »

We still have people using CE in Cyro and apparently ZOS isn't doing anything about it.
We have people basically one shooting you in a secong with 4 different attacks.
We have people seeing you in sneak because why not.
We have people being templas using dragonknight abilities like chains or nightblades abilities like fear.
I started recording this but how many videos do you guys want me to send you?
It's time that you do something about it, something that detects CE and other things and just blocks it.
This is getting ridiculous.

You should make videos and post them, asking for explanation.

I'm not saying you are wrong with many of the above, but often something looks like a cheat when it in fact is not (i fell victim to this myself before). When you post a video, others can explain what happened there(in case it wasn't an actual cheat, of course).

For example, it may seem like a templar used a fear on you, yet what really happened is he used a vampire drain on you, then immediately cancelled it. Your character behaves exactly as if it was feared(animation etc, is the same). It is also possible to confuse dragonknight chains with swarm mother proc in the heat of battle, etc. etc.

ill answer the other ones for you.

Detect pots makes u visible, u will still see the hidden text on screen but the eye will open when someone pops a pot.

4 different attacks in the same second is very possible, with multiple procsets, light attack weaving with an ability, enchant proc. For example if i slot viper, selene and i ambush u, light attack and suprise attack animation cancel and have a damage health enchant on my frontweapon and all procs u will have 5 attacks within a second.

Wolfkeks

Uii I get what you guys saying, and believe me I wouldn't accuse anyone of cheating if they're just good at the game.
And there are a lot of skilled players out there.
But looking at my death cap for example I'm seeing NB skills, DK skills and Templar skills by the same person.
And at first I thought, maybe there are two or three players with a similar name but that wasn't the case.
And yep, I start recording from now on and send it to ZOS so they can have a look at it.
Thx again for the answers!
Peace Out

Mondini

Wolfkeks wrote: »

Uii I get what you guys saying, and believe me I wouldn't accuse anyone of cheating if they're just good at the game.
And there are a lot of skilled players out there.
But looking at my death cap for example I'm seeing NB skills, DK skills and Templar skills by the same person.
And at first I thought, maybe there are two or three players with a similar name but that wasn't the case.
And yep, I start recording from now on and send it to ZOS so they can have a look at it.
Thx again for the answers!
Peace Out

That's probably an addon on your end causing that. Death recap is also veryyy buggy

Mondini

Wolfkeks wrote: »

We still have people using CE in Cyro and apparently ZOS isn't doing anything about it.
We have people basically one shooting you in a secong with 4 different attacks.
We have people seeing you in sneak because why not.
We have people being templas using dragonknight abilities like chains or nightblades abilities like fear.
I started recording this but how many videos do you guys want me to send you?
It's time that you do something about it, something that detects CE and other things and just blocks it.
This is getting ridiculous.

Probably a bit late, but i'm pretty sure they do have a way to detect cheat engine. When you send a bug report, you are also essentially sending a snapshot of all software/configuration of your PC so zos can look whats up. Wouldn't be too far to extend this to see the signature of CE.

Phantorang

If its so hard to permaban cheaters and exploiters, at least permaban after banning them for the third time, if anyone is banned and given a new chance that many times, there is zero chance they will stop cheating, permaban is the only way to be serious about cheating.

Exploits and bots is the reason I left the game 3 years ago. Im retrying ESO but I wont be here long if I see the same tendencies as last time I quit.

ComboBreaker88

Phantorang wrote: »

If its so hard to permaban cheaters and exploiters, at least permaban after banning them for the third time, if anyone is banned and given a new chance that many times, there is zero chance they will stop cheating, permaban is the only way to be serious about cheating.

Exploits and bots is the reason I left the game 3 years ago. Im retrying ESO but I wont be here long if I see the same tendencies as last time I quit.

Mail me your stuff before you leave this time!

Voltranox

Did some PvP straight after the latest patch, and had some battles in Vivec.
Small groups against small groups, because not many people had logged in yet.
All performances were within expected ranges. Damage varied, but nothing outlandish.
Tanks were harder to kill, but could be worn down. It was really, really fun.
Makes me wonder if something was done to the engine, or if I just got lucky.

In the days previous to the latest patch, I had been regularly seeing some really bizarre behavior.
Worth a special mention, were characters that consistently had the following traits:

• Almost impervious damage mitigation.
• Astoundingly high damage with all skills and attacks.
• Dodging the majority of incoming attacks.
• Super heals with one skill (plus potion perhaps) that would heal 80% of HP instantly.
• Ultimates fired off about once every 20-30 seconds.

As an example. A small group of about 3 enemy players camped a resource.
Myself and about 3 other random allied players arrived. We attacked, and hardly dented their health.
I couldn't identify any healers in the enemy group. My allies and I were all brought down in 1-3 hits.

I decided to respawn and return to the location repeatedly, despite it being an obvious AP farm.
I was back within about 20 seconds, and was almost immediately brought down with an ultimate.
Respawned, back within 20 seconds. No one else there yet. The exact same player brought me down
again...with an ultimate. A third time...same result.

Word must have gotten out, and more and more allied players began to arrive.
The enemy players were 1-3 shotting every other player and using ultimates again.
More allied players arrived. Eventually the 3 enemy were outnumbered about 5 to 1.
I repeatedly joined in the fray. Not being toasted immediately by an ultimate,
I had a chance to see more of the enemy character's performance.

I fired off about 10 shots at the ultimate spamming character. He dodged all of them.
He was attacked by about 6 players at once, who hit him with everything, including ultimates.
Despite taking very little damage, he was eventually worn down to about 20% health.
One skill, and instantly back to full health. He hit me with some of his skills, and each time,
the damage was in the range of 5k-10k.

So there you have it. All the best performance of a super-tank, a burst DD, a dedicated healer,
and a stam-dodger, all in one toon. Not to mention the machine-gun ultimates. The ONLY thing
missing off this guy and his friends was the no-cool-down macros surprisingly.

Let's hope that this kind of competition-destroying performance has been addressed.
Really enjoying PvP beyond this mess. Game on!

ForsakenSin

im not sure about this but the other day on xbox this dual welding wanted to fight me .. im on my pve sorc , so i done liquid lighting, wall of elements curse used my pet to stun him even ilambras proc on him.. no damage , he only had 18k health and no damage, i done my SA on him took 5k damage and healed in one go with vigor and killed me ... but the whole time he was standing in my AOE's

tried fighting him again no damage killed me .. he proceeded to fight other people and kept on winning and his health was not going down and when i placed on chat how is it possible he is not taking damage he just left then ...really strange ....

i fought tanks just for fun with 50k health and i managed to get them down to 14k before they heal them self up with the same set up same skills so yhea..

Ackwalan

Voltranox wrote: »

Did some PvP straight after the latest patch, and had some battles in Vivec.
Small groups against small groups, because not many people had logged in yet.
All performances were within expected ranges. Damage varied, but nothing outlandish.
Tanks were harder to kill, but could be worn down. It was really, really fun.
Makes me wonder if something was done to the engine, or if I just got lucky.

In the days previous to the latest patch, I had been regularly seeing some really bizarre behavior.
Worth a special mention, were characters that consistently had the following traits:

• Almost impervious damage mitigation.
• Astoundingly high damage with all skills and attacks.
• Dodging the majority of incoming attacks.
• Super heals with one skill (plus potion perhaps) that would heal 80% of HP instantly.
• Ultimates fired off about once every 20-30 seconds.

As an example. A small group of about 3 enemy players camped a resource.
Myself and about 3 other random allied players arrived. We attacked, and hardly dented their health.
I couldn't identify any healers in the enemy group. My allies and I were all brought down in 1-3 hits.

I decided to respawn and return to the location repeatedly, despite it being an obvious AP farm.
I was back within about 20 seconds, and was almost immediately brought down with an ultimate.
Respawned, back within 20 seconds. No one else there yet. The exact same player brought me down
again...with an ultimate. A third time...same result.

Word must have gotten out, and more and more allied players began to arrive.
The enemy players were 1-3 shotting every other player and using ultimates again.
More allied players arrived. Eventually the 3 enemy were outnumbered about 5 to 1.
I repeatedly joined in the fray. Not being toasted immediately by an ultimate,
I had a chance to see more of the enemy character's performance.

I fired off about 10 shots at the ultimate spamming character. He dodged all of them.
He was attacked by about 6 players at once, who hit him with everything, including ultimates.
Despite taking very little damage, he was eventually worn down to about 20% health.
One skill, and instantly back to full health. He hit me with some of his skills, and each time,
the damage was in the range of 5k-10k.

So there you have it. All the best performance of a super-tank, a burst DD, a dedicated healer,
and a stam-dodger, all in one toon. Not to mention the machine-gun ultimates. The ONLY thing
missing off this guy and his friends was the no-cool-down macros surprisingly.

Let's hope that this kind of competition-destroying performance has been addressed.
Really enjoying PvP beyond this mess. Game on!

Just like the add-ons, the CE builds need a day or two to update with the new patch.

Phantorang

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

If its so hard to permaban cheaters and exploiters, at least permaban after banning them for the third time, if anyone is banned and given a new chance that many times, there is zero chance they will stop cheating, permaban is the only way to be serious about cheating.

Exploits and bots is the reason I left the game 3 years ago. Im retrying ESO but I wont be here long if I see the same tendencies as last time I quit.

Mail me your stuff before you leave this time!

If you are right in your assumption that ZOS will not ever get cheating and exploiting down to an acceptable level, then I will send you my stuff

As long as you pay the C.O.D its all yours...

ComboBreaker88

Phantorang wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

If its so hard to permaban cheaters and exploiters, at least permaban after banning them for the third time, if anyone is banned and given a new chance that many times, there is zero chance they will stop cheating, permaban is the only way to be serious about cheating.

Exploits and bots is the reason I left the game 3 years ago. Im retrying ESO but I wont be here long if I see the same tendencies as last time I quit.

Mail me your stuff before you leave this time!

If you are right in your assumption that ZOS will not ever get cheating and exploiting down to an acceptable level, then I will send you my stuff

As long as you pay the C.O.D its all yours...

What platform?

SixVoltCar

"We do not allow naming and shaming"

You mean you do not permit the natural process by which groups of people encourage good behaviours and discourage bad ones? This could explain why the cheating is so rampant.

BabyMonkeyPuppy

I reported a whole group of botting in a quest area last week. I went to the same spot last night and what do i see the same group of botters doing the same thing. Seems to me like nothing gets done. I have also reported a player for hate speech against a member of the guild i run and got the same response all games give just to block them.

Bam_Bam

SixVoltCar wrote: »

"We do not allow naming and shaming"

You mean you do not permit the natural process by which groups of people encourage good behaviours and discourage bad ones? This could explain why the cheating is so rampant.

By naming and shaming, you automaticlly create a stigma for a person. You also risk causing an almighty ruckus causing a ton of headaches for forum moderators, community managers etc etc.

To put this in context: A person may have been guilty of exploiting. However, they may not have exploited deliberately but it has shown up in the server admins security logs. They are then named and shamed. The forum community go BERZERK - flaming and trolling of named player increases exponenntially both via forum posts and private messages and also in game. The player is then banned (if they hadn't already).
The player, unbeknown to the community, suffers with Aspergers syndrome and manic depression. They are now cut off from their only creative outlet. The friends that it has taken them years to make now shun the player thanks to naming and shaming. The player can't understand the hate when they didn't even realise they were exploiting.

Their loved ones find the player's body the next morning, they had taken their life sometime during the night.

A life is lost and a family destroyed for ever. But at least you got that cheating b******, right?

Cheating isn't a good thing. But neither is naming and shaming especially if the circumstances aren't clear cut.

JusticePlague

.... This forum post is the singly most pointless post ever.

maxlacab16_ESO

JusticePlague wrote: »

.... This forum post is the singly most pointless post ever.

agree!

The other day in Cyro, our 18 peep group was taking a keep. We were past the outer, working on the front door of the inner.
This is on my Warden, 3.6k crit resist, 18k phys/spell resist, max CP. And i was not on siege!

A small group of 6 defenders entered trough the outer breach and wiped us out in less than 20 seconds. I went down from what seemed three consecutive hits within a second.

My death recap showed: Crystal Frag, Crystal Frag, Crystal Frag, Haunting Curse.
I don't have to explain that you cannot cast 3 Crystal Frags in a row, within one second.

I do not bother to report any longer. Just a waste of time, really.
But this game has serious issues.

Voltranox

This issue is beyond the subject of faction alliances, naming-and-shaming, or moral choices of players.
It is about the company and the product they charge money for, pure and simple. It's all about them.

They know about these critical problems, and have known for a long time.
They have not addressed them, and remain frustratingly silent about it.
That is a very poor business decision.

If any other service provider did this kind of thing, most people would drop them like a hot potato.
What if your internet or mobile service dropped out half the time?
Or Netflix were missing the last 20 minutes of each movie?
Or your courier service kept delivering to the wrong address?
Would you keep paying them, or look for alternatives?

If I was an owner of this development company, these issues would be absolute top priority.
I assume that they are silent about the issues because they are unable to fix them.
What are they going to say? "Sorry, we'd have to redesign the game engine from the ground up,
and we'd go bankrupt if we had to do that, so put up with it or leave." No. Just silent.

I have refused to buy Morrowind as a small personal protest.
But I literally wince every time I think about my subscription dollars going to this company each month.

Why do I keep playing-and-paying when they aren't delivering good service?
Because I have already invested time and money to develop my characters.
I am familiar with the mechanics and can just jump straight into a game session during my leisure time.

The close battle between my enjoyment of a familiar game and my own common sense is ongoing.
After all, it's only a game, and there are many other fun products to chose from for light entertainment.
My money and time has value ZOS. Do you recognize this in your business model? Look after your customers.

Jaxaxo

Of course, i wont deny there are cases, where cheating/exploiting is a thing, but imo accusation of this is coming usually from ignorance and lack of knowledge about game.

Voltranox wrote: »

Did some PvP straight after the latest patch, and had some battles in Vivec.

• Almost impervious damage mitigation.
• Astoundingly high damage with all skills and attacks.
• Dodging the majority of incoming attacks.
• Super heals with one skill (plus potion perhaps) that would heal 80% of HP instantly.
• Ultimates fired off about once every 20-30 seconds.

Let's talk about ultimate mechanic. Sorcs and templars have reduced cost of ultimate, what is more there are sets which reduce it even more, sets that let u generate ultimate faster, passives, skills that do same.
For example, assume that was Dragonknight. Player was wearing blood spawn set( It gives u 14 ultimate every 6 seconds), using heroic slash, which give minor heroism (grants 1 Ultimate every 1.5s for 9s ), using dk's passive Mountain Blessing (3 ultimate every 6 seconds), light attacking/blocking (which gives u 3 ultimate every second for 8 second), using synergies other player gives him (2 ultimate per synergy activated). That's typical stam dk build, not focused on ultimate generation. With this he's able to generate circa 117 ultimate every 18 seconds. Don't forget about alliance war passive which gives u 20 ultimate each kill, so if he killed u it was 137 ultimate. That's more than leap ultimate cost. So u can be sure, that he's able to leap every 30 seconds without any problems. Or Dawnbreaker.
Sets that gives u ultimate generation like tava's favor and werewolf's hide let it expand even more.

About healing, magicka characters have healing ward, which let u heal from 1% to full. Or restoration staff ultimate, panacea. Stamina have combo vigor+rally which let them heal like this too. Or just keep their HP high cuz of hots (healing over time). And u're playing CP campaign (Vivec), so all those things are increased/accelerated by champion points. I assume u're not 660 cp, so gap between u and those players is even bigger. They increased dmg, healing, defensive, almost everything.

There are builds and setups which let players fight multiple opponents at once without problems. It's more problem with balance than exploiting.

maxlacab16_ESO wrote: »

JusticePlague wrote: »

.... This forum post is the singly most pointless post ever.

My death recap showed: Crystal Frag, Crystal Frag, Crystal Frag, Haunting Curse.
I don't have to explain that you cannot cast 3 Crystal Frags in a row, within one second.

I do not bother to report any longer. Just a waste of time, really.
But this game has serious issues.

And another thing, death recap is not a trusthworthy source of information, download some combat log addon and
check what killed u there, mostly there will be some diffrence.

Edited for typo.

Sharee

SixVoltCar wrote: »

"We do not allow naming and shaming"

You mean you do not permit the natural process by which groups of people encourage good behaviours and discourage bad ones? This could explain why the cheating is so rampant.

Naming and shaming is like a death sentence. Neither can be taken back if the guy turns out to be innocent after all.

It would be fine if you were 100%sure, beyond all doubt, that the accused is guilty (and deserves the punishment). But on the internet, you never are. Not without access to the resources only ZOS has available to them (and they aren't telling). So all that naming and shaming does is trigger witch hunts. And we know how well that turned out in the medieval ages.

FoolishHuman

SixVoltCar wrote: »

"We do not allow naming and shaming"

You mean you do not permit the natural process by which groups of people encourage good behaviours and discourage bad ones? This could explain why the cheating is so rampant.

You mean an angry mob that commits vigilante justice? It doesn't even need an explanation why that's wrong, since we all live in civilized societies.

auronessb16_ESO

BabyMonkeyPuppy wrote: »

I reported a whole group of botting in a quest area last week. I went to the same spot last night and what do i see the same group of botters doing the same thing. Seems to me like nothing gets done. I have also reported a player for hate speech against a member of the guild i run and got the same response all games give just to block them.

Keep reporting them. I've been watching one particular area for the past two weeks. A group of botters take over one area and do nothing but kill wolves. I've reported 65 incidents in August alone. It may seem like a pointless exercise, until you realize it is a different group every day. Somebody has to create a dozen new Xbox accounts everyday, and start a dozen new characters. I've watched them being gathered in a safe location before being moved to the botting zone, and it appears that it has to be done manually. So some smuck is spending an hour or more starting his bot-army each time I report them.

Yes, they do get banned. Some days they disappear within an hour of the first report, and the Xbox account will not show up either. Some days it may take a couple hours, but the area stays clean for a while and the botter is forced to start all over again.

Bottom line, you can't prevent abuse, but you can make it so costly to them, they quit.

edited to add: Total time for me to report the dozen bots to Xbox and ZOS is about 10 minutes. Add another 5 minutes if I include a video.

Phantorang

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

If its so hard to permaban cheaters and exploiters, at least permaban after banning them for the third time, if anyone is banned and given a new chance that many times, there is zero chance they will stop cheating, permaban is the only way to be serious about cheating.

Exploits and bots is the reason I left the game 3 years ago. Im retrying ESO but I wont be here long if I see the same tendencies as last time I quit.

Mail me your stuff before you leave this time!

If you are right in your assumption that ZOS will not ever get cheating and exploiting down to an acceptable level, then I will send you my stuff

As long as you pay the C.O.D its all yours...

What platform?

PC

Phantorang

BabyMonkeyPuppy wrote: »

I reported a whole group of botting in a quest area last week. I went to the same spot last night and what do i see the same group of botters doing the same thing. Seems to me like nothing gets done. I have also reported a player for hate speech against a member of the guild i run and got the same response all games give just to block them.

To be perfectly honest, I see a lot of improvement since I left the game 3 years ago and came back 3 weeks ago.

What is different, what do I think is so much better?

First of all, earlier it was 10 bots at every boss in Public dungeons, ZOS nerfed the boss loot to fix that problem. That means we who dont cheat dont get multiple boss loot either, but it was well worth it in my opinion. Nothing is more game breaking than to miss a boss 5 times because the boss was dead before you could push a button. We had to sit ready and stare at the screen to be ready the millisecond the boss spawned to get in a hit before the boss was dead = extremely annoying.

in 2014 there were speedhacked bots everywhere, moving through walls, through earth, underground, flying etc. With names such as qcw4iwrh and awceoipuntha and xuidhfge all over the place. I haven't seen that yet, thats pretty great in my opinion.

There were a lot more bots farming resources in the months after release. Resources used to disappear on a regular basis right before you eyes, only thing you saw was something moving at extreme speed through the resource node. I have yet to see any resource disappear before my eyes this far, that means great improvements has been made.


ESO has made a lot of improvements vs bots in my opinion, it would possibly be harder to notice if I hadn't had such a long break.

There were a lot of open gold selling in the Zone chats, maybe I dont pay attention, but I havent seen that yet, thats also a great improvement, because it was completely ruining the economy.

I Havent been much in Cyrodiil the last 3 weeks though, but from what I hear its some issues... ZOS fixed Vampire Ultimate spam back in the days, I believe they will fix most other issues too. I guess this is not the right game for e-sports. But usually big mmorpgs aren't the right place to look if you want e-sports anyway

Voltranox

@Jaxaxo
Thanks for the detailed post, made me think.

No character can be all things and do everything well though. That's what I've been seeing.
To get really high performance in something, you need to sacrifice performance somewhere else.


@Phantorang
Good post. Not having played the game that far back, it sounds like things have come a long way.
Hopefully ZOS will continue setting things right.

Jaxaxo

Voltranox wrote: »

@Jaxaxo
Thanks for the detailed post, made me think.
No character can be all things and do everything well though. That's what I've been seeing.
To get really high performance in something, you need to sacrifice performance somewhere else.

Problem is, it's not that easy. For example dk's get benefit from ult. Passives let them restore resources by casting ults, using sword and board ulti make them tanky, using offensive ult make them bursty. Or Mag sorc, by stacking max magicka they get both defensive (bigger shields) and offensive (more dmg). All those things are connected.

Another example, sustain builds have lower tooltips for skills, but using proper combos/rotation they can make ilusion of high dmg. Last patches were shaken by proc sets. Ppl run multiple procs (dmg), and rest of build were for sustain or tankiness. This patch it should be better, but we will see. But to the point, as long as u dont see the other player screen u cant say if he's doing excelent on every aspect, he can barely sustain, but u wont see it.

And of course i will say again. I wont deny that there are exploiters in this game. Double mundus, macroslicing, bugging sets, i saw ppl using those things.
But cuz one guy was able to fightmultiple ppl, doesnt mean he's cheating.
And that's why we have rule of naming and shaming.
Hope i could help a little (and sorry for my bad english).

SosRuvaak

it makes me sad that the people who do this, willingly ruin the game.
they ruin the game, because they take out the challenge and point of trying new things, to counter the problem that is happening over and over.
sounds lot like the definition of insanity, but regardless, games exist to challenge people.

when we are not logged onto our characters, we are all nearly the same people to an extent. people who want to play the elder scrolls games, and its wrong to change someones ability to play these games. cheating generally makes people quit.

its an absolute fact, that the exploiters and cheaters are [snip] people, so why do they DESERVE disclosure when they are being investigated or dealt with for cheating?
that doesn't make sense to me.
this is zenimax's game, and the people who bought it, for enjoyment, have to deal with these issues caused by zenimax not being able to secure their game and keep cheaters out. Theres been PLENTY of discussions for solutions and advice for how to fix this system, but in the end the system is not good enough.

[Edited to remove profanity]

Lord_Eomer

LegendaryMage wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I seen something weird today in IC. We killed a guy and he kept coming back to life. Normally they had to release, but they would just stand back up. This happened 5 times before I just gave up.

Is this cheating or a bug? I've never seen this before.

It's a bug, but apparently not too hard to replicate.

edit: I mean, in the end it's cheating too, of course.

If any NB over their rez him and thats how he may comming back, post video or give zenimax some proof that can help!

LegendaryMage

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

vamp_emily wrote: »

I seen something weird today in IC. We killed a guy and he kept coming back to life. Normally they had to release, but they would just stand back up. This happened 5 times before I just gave up.

Is this cheating or a bug? I've never seen this before.

It's a bug, but apparently not too hard to replicate.

edit: I mean, in the end it's cheating too, of course.

If any NB over their rez him and thats how he may comming back, post video or give zenimax some proof that can help!

Plenty of videos out there with the IC self rez bug. I don't know if it's fixed now or not, I barely go there anyway.

Tucker3711

I did not know ESO could be hacked!!! Time to hunt hackers!

djdc1234

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Hello everyone, we’ve started a fresh thread on the matter of cheating and exploits. This has been a big issue, and maintaining an open discussion on the matter is important to us. However, it is also important that this discussion stay on topic, and within the forum rules. In particular:

• We do not allow naming and shaming. Accusations of misconduct directed at anyone, even if not explicitly named, are not acceptable. If you feel someone is cheating, any information needs to be sent to us privately. Rules violations can be sent in-game or by submitting a ticket on our help site, and this is covered in more detail below. When reporting someone, please detail who you are reporting and why, the more information you can provide the easier it is for us to investigate. We welcome images and videos. With the latter, if it’s very long a timestamp may be helpful.

• We do not allow disciplinary actions to be discussed for specific members, whether named or not. General discussion of ESO policy is acceptable, but not commentary on what may have happened with specific people. Staff will not discuss the moderation status of an account publicly, or state whether an account has or has not been actioned. Allowing others to speculate on this can lead to a host of problems, and we are unable to clarify.

• Flaming or bashing is not allowed. This goes for abusive and disruptive comments and behavior that are directed at ZeniMax Online employees and ESO community members, alike.

• Demands or threats, specifically directed at the ESO team or suspected exploiters.

• It is important to keep comments respectful, and criticism constructive. We discuss this in greater depth here. There is a lot of value in having an open thread for discussing these problems, but it needs to remain civil and constructive.

We will remove any posts breaking the forum rules. In the last thread we tried to keep moderation to a minimum, but this just allowed the problems to escalate until we couldn’t ignore them. When removing posts we will generally remove any replies as well, since they often don’t make sense on their own, or continue off track discussion. If you feel someone is breaking the rules, we ask that you report the post and not respond to it.

We had closed the previous thread because of the number of problems, and because we thought a break until we had new information would be helpful. We’ve received a lot of feedback that people would rather have an open discussion now, so are putting this up.

As mentioned earlier, and explained in detail in the quoted post below, if you feel that someone is cheating or exploiting please send this information to us. Do not post details on how to preform an exploit, or who may be preforming them, on the forums.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey everyone,

If you believe someone is cheating, hacking, exploiting, botting, or anything else that violates our EULA and Terms of Service, we want to know but we need you to report them using the appropriate channels. We fully investigate all reports of TOS violations. (See this Support article on how to report another player for inappropriate behavior.)

You can also submit a Support ticket via our website if you need to include screenshots and/or video footage of the player you are reporting. To do so, follow these steps:

1. Go to the Support page and log in
2. Choose “In-Game Support”
3. Select the “Report a Player” subcategory
4. Fill out the fields with as much detail as possible – if you know reproduction steps for what the player you’re reporting is doing, even better.
5. Attach any related files (screenshots, videos, etc.)
6. Hit the “Submit” button

Please note that we cannot discuss another player’s account status and details thereof with you, as doing so would be a violation of our Privacy Policy. This includes any disciplinary action we have taken on another player. In rare cases, we may decide to give a player who has been permanently banned a final chance after investigating a situation and speaking with them. If you believe a player with whom we have granted a final chance is violating our EULA and Terms of Service, please report them via one of the two methods described above.

Lastly, we are still going to wipe the Veteran Maelstrom Arena Leaderboards on the PC/Mac megaservers within the next few weeks.

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