I've noticed a bug in the game, haven't really seen anyone exploit it but I could see how it could be used in pvp situations.

On a sorcerer you can cast crystal fragment with the 1 sec cast, and before it casts....start a heavy attack with ur staff (if using). As the heavy attack charges the crystal fragment won't launch until the heavy attack sends too. This results in 2 heavy attacks that would usually have a delay between them coming at you at the same time. Would be a great way opening move on an unsuspecting pvper. I noticed this in a delve, on a new sorc alt, so I haven't used this in pvp. But hey once I level I may.... .big opening hit for an unsuspected ebony art or dagger fall covenant toon.

Here's a list of traits that make it easy to spot a cheater in pvp.
Each point below might be explainable on its own...but not all on one character!
Even the most clever build has some kind of limitation or weakness.
The cheating 'super-character' is commonly visible in pvp, and often several in a group.

• hits with several skills within 1 second - including ones with cast times.
• extreme speed.
• incredibly difficult to damage ('super-tank').
• hits for extremely high damage - even with light attacks.
• heals to full health within one second.
• non-stop sustain.
• constant dodges - consistantly dodges 9 out of 10 shots at them.
• casting ultimates every 10 seconds (or less!).

You can also easily spot any players who aren't cheating, because they behave as you'd expect.
They conform to the game mechanics, have limitations, and can be beaten with smart, concerted attacks.

I played with a full pug group the other day, and we were attacked by a small group of 4 players.
This small group totally wiped every one of us (24) five times in a row, with ease. We utterly melted each time.
Is it any wonder really? What kind of competition is that?

I sometimes identify a cheating player within my own group, that displays the same traits.
Increasingly, the only competition in pvp is cheater vs cheater, and it comes down to who dares to have their settings most blatantly turned up.

The players who cheat but to a more subtle extent are harder to spot.
One of the worst things about the cheating is that when you are beaten by a truly legitimate player, you instantly wonder if it was their skill and their build...or if they too were cheating.

Sigh. Come on Zenimax Online Studio. Can you at least state whether it is being worked on?
Maybe you want to keep quiet so you can work on it in the background, and not draw attention to it.
Maybe you want to keep silent so that you can bust the cheaters in a big 'surprise attack'.
A single reassurance would go a long way though.
I think this will be my last post on the subject.

Basically it seems those that cheat don't get punished

koralr33fer wrote: »

I've noticed a bug in the game, haven't really seen anyone exploit it but I could see how it could be used in pvp situations.

On a sorcerer you can cast crystal fragment with the 1 sec cast, and before it casts....start a heavy attack with ur staff (if using). As the heavy attack charges the crystal fragment won't launch until the heavy attack sends too. This results in 2 heavy attacks that would usually have a delay between them coming at you at the same time. Would be a great way opening move on an unsuspecting pvper. I noticed this in a delve, on a new sorc alt, so I haven't used this in pvp. But hey once I level I may.... .big opening hit for an unsuspected ebony art or dagger fall covenant toon.

Got hit recently in PvP with 3 heavy attacks with in a second so wonder if this guy was using it

Ethical question here: As a healer if I heal and buff someone that is cheating am I cheating too?

StackonClown wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

EtonZilla wrote: »

I have very little concern about skipping stages in group dungeons & trials. Only player affected is SELF.

Depends if it has a leaderboard or not. Anyone using unintended mechanics that improves their leaderboard position will definitely affect others.

BTW - what is a community ambassador?
Can you follow this up with Zenny somehow as our *ambassador* ?

Details on the Community Ambassador programme can be found here. ZOS are not really doing much with it at the moment, and we don't have any more access to them than the rest of the community.

Enodoc wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

EtonZilla wrote: »

I have very little concern about skipping stages in group dungeons & trials. Only player affected is SELF.

Depends if it has a leaderboard or not. Anyone using unintended mechanics that improves their leaderboard position will definitely affect others.

BTW - what is a community ambassador?
Can you follow this up with Zenny somehow as our *ambassador* ?

Details on the Community Ambassador programme can be found here. ZOS are not really doing much with it at the moment, and we don't have any more access to them than the rest of the community.

An amazingly high retention rate, as well.

StackonClown wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

EtonZilla wrote: »

I have very little concern about skipping stages in group dungeons & trials. Only player affected is SELF.

Depends if it has a leaderboard or not. Anyone using unintended mechanics that improves their leaderboard position will definitely affect others.

BTW - what is a community ambassador?
Can you follow this up with Zenny somehow as our *ambassador* ?

Details on the Community Ambassador programme can be found here. ZOS are not really doing much with it at the moment, and we don't have any more access to them than the rest of the community.

So what is it you do as ambassador? or are you more a community *helper*?

Yeah, pretty much that. Helping out around the forums, which for me usually involves helping with quests.

hits with several skills within 1 second - including ones with cast times.
extreme speed.
incredibly difficult to damage ('super-tank').
hits for extremely high damage - even with light attacks.
heals to full health within one second.
non-stop sustain.
constant dodges - consistantly dodges 9 out of 10 shots at them.
casting ultimates every 10 seconds (or less!).

Voltranox wrote: »

Here's a list of traits that make it easy to spot a cheater in pvp.
Each point below might be explainable on its own...but not all on one character!
Even the most clever build has some kind of limitation or weakness.
The cheating 'super-character' is commonly visible in pvp, and often several in a group.

• hits with several skills within 1 second - including ones with cast times.
• extreme speed.
• incredibly difficult to damage ('super-tank').
• hits for extremely high damage - even with light attacks.
• heals to full health within one second.
• non-stop sustain.
• constant dodges - consistantly dodges 9 out of 10 shots at them.
• casting ultimates every 10 seconds (or less!).

You can also easily spot any players who aren't cheating, because they behave as you'd expect.
They conform to the game mechanics, have limitations, and can be beaten with smart, concerted attacks.

I played with a full pug group the other day, and we were attacked by a small group of 4 players.
This small group totally wiped every one of us (24) five times in a row, with ease. We utterly melted each time.
Is it any wonder really? What kind of competition is that?

I sometimes identify a cheating player within my own group, that displays the same traits.
Increasingly, the only competition in pvp is cheater vs cheater, and it comes down to who dares to have their settings most blatantly turned up.

The players who cheat but to a more subtle extent are harder to spot.
One of the worst things about the cheating is that when you are beaten by a truly legitimate player, you instantly wonder if it was their skill and their build...or if they too were cheating.

Sigh. Come on Zenimax Online Studio. Can you at least state whether it is being worked on?
Maybe you want to keep quiet so you can work on it in the background, and not draw attention to it.
Maybe you want to keep silent so that you can bust the cheaters in a big 'surprise attack'.
A single reassurance would go a long way though.
I think this will be my last post on the subject.

Until this is fixed, I will not play in TECO. I'm sick see exploiters.

This should not be on the 2nd page, and this neglected by Zos.

Please give us freedom from having to report bots These XP events are fun but it feeds the bot community, and its annoying and not fair for us to have to be the ones to point the finger Please free us from this obligation.

GreySoul wrote: »

Does ZOS have a deffenative answer on what "botting" is?

Is "Shadowboxing" - Using commonly/freely available software to multiplex one characters (direct/human) input across multiple virtualization of the client on a single physical PC "botting" or is it allowed (as often claimed by those I see doing it)?

So this is multiple characters being controlled by one input? That wouldn't be allowed, as the following characters are being controlled by an automated program that is copying human input, not by human input directly.

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of "bots", "speed hacks", "deep-link", "page-scrape", "robot", "spider", algorithms or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, "mirroring") the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.

GreenhaloX wrote: »

CP toons in non-CP PvP campaign, what the f?! 400 and 500 CP toons.. really, come on?! Go to the other campaigns that are made for CP toons, you whimps, and quit bullying us scrubs!

Doesn't matter if they have CP's or not, in the non-CP campaign - CP's are disabled there.

I'm on PS4 and saw something today that I didn't even know was possible. There were four or five groups of identical toons in Camlorn, farming werewolves. Three or four player names, but 12 or more toons, dressed identically, standing on top of one another in clusters of two to four. They had so many clannfear and twilight matriarchs running around plus their heavy staff rubber band attacks that I could barely make out the werewolves I needed to kill for the quest objective, let alone actually kill one. They've been reported as best as I could, but it was hard because 1) they were standing on top of one another in huge piles of werewolf carcasses so it was hard to get them individually, and 2) the player/toon name seemed to be identical in each group of 2 to four so it seemed like I was reporting the same one over and over when each report was of a different instance.

IDK what that was but I've never seen anything like it. I thought PS4 made it difficult to bot like that but somebody's got a way around it.