If zos does something about this but does not do anything about all the other exploits. I assure you they WILL HAVE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT on the door within 14 days of it happening!!!!
ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »We have the list of all players in the EU and NA that gained AP from Black Boot Mine and discussing what actions to take with that information.
Ok let me list some intersting facts:
Theres is a Double Mundus Exploit
Invisible Player which are taking any value out of it
You can Exploit Vmol for SKin and Title
You can exploit Msa and Dsa to make runs from 10-20min
You can exploit widowmaker
You could have exploited Nirn
You was able to perma block cause "go in sneak " and move infinity stam regen player abused that
and now you are considering to punish player which actually didnt exploited something what harm player...
Then consider maybe to fix your GAME first before you gonna try to punish people.
Just for your information you said that misstake is inside the game since launch ?
Im amused
We are looking into getting this fixed ASAP now gang. Also this was not "accidental so some dev can get easy AP" so let's nuke that theory real quick. From everything we can tell, Black Boot Mine always had that server setting for having AP like a Keep instead of a resource and when the new reward values got put in, there you go. Turns out you all could have gotten more AP from Black Boot Mine for the past couple years!
Edited by ZOS_BrianWheeler on 9. Februar 2017 15:17
ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »We have the list of all players in the EU and NA that gained AP from Black Boot Mine and discussing what actions to take with that information.
Ok let me list some intersting facts:
Theres is a Double Mundus Exploit
Invisible Player which are taking any value out of it
You can Exploit Vmol for SKin and Title
You can exploit Msa and Dsa to make runs from 10-20min
You can exploit widowmaker
You could have exploited Nirn
You was able to perma block cause "go in sneak " and move infinity stam regen player abused that
and now you are considering to punish player which actually didnt exploited something what harm player...
Then consider maybe to fix your GAME first before you gonna try to punish people.
Just for your information you said that misstake is inside the game since launch ?
Im amused
I honestly came to BB mine, I didnt know there was an exploit untill I went there.
I see like this big group of reds and start attacking them. Trying to bomb them as Magica nb, ofc I fail and they **** me. blues start t-bagging me. I come again try to get them this time. then I realized they are actually taking it over and over for the tick.
Now you want to ban everyone who came there ?
covenant_merchant wrote: »If there's no legal framework defining said crime, or if it's gray af and you can come with a plausible defense like roleplaying, you'd laugh at the judge.
What about just resetting the PVP-rank of all exploiters? I mean, it should be easy to find out who made striking more AP than the normal-playing people..
By the way... Haderus PC/EU today 3PM GMT+1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjn_zdoiwo&feature=youtu.be
I have 3 daughters and they all do the same thing whenever they are in trouble for breaking the rules. They try and bring up something one of their sisters did that was wrong in the past to try and deflect/justify their behavior. I always tell them we aren't talking about what your sister did in the past. We are talking about your current behavior and the consquences of it.
I see so for example you killed someone in Reallife and cause no one talks about it you shouldnt get sued?
But if you steal a apple you should go to Prison right?
Cause thats the crime which is now horrible?
Crispen_Longbow wrote: »I have 3 daughters and they all do the same thing whenever they are in trouble for breaking the rules. They try and bring up something one of their sisters did that was wrong in the past to try and deflect/justify their behavior. I always tell them we aren't talking about what your sister did in the past. We are talking about your current behavior and the consquences of it.
I see so for example you killed someone in Reallife and cause no one talks about it you shouldnt get sued?
But if you steal a apple you should go to Prison right?
Cause thats the crime which is now horrible?
They are two separate things and both should be discussed with the right people at the right time.
So in your example I assume you are the one that got caught stealing and Apple? So I will treat you just like I treat my children. You were caught stealing an apple. You knew stealing was wrong but you did it anyway is that correct? Well stealing has consequences and because you stole you will know have to pay for those consequences. What others have done in the past doesn't excuse your behavior, I hope you can understand this. We love you, but you still broke the rules. You knew what you were doing is wrong, so now you will have to live with the consequences. We are waiting on the Judge/ZoS to determine what those consequences are.
covenant_merchant wrote: »What about just resetting the PVP-rank of all exploiters? I mean, it should be easy to find out who made striking more AP than the normal-playing people..
By the way... Haderus PC/EU today 3PM GMT+1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjn_zdoiwo&feature=youtu.be
"Look Mom, I'm famous". But beyond that, you Sir are a snitch. And nobody likes snitches.
covenant_merchant wrote: »"Look Mom, I'm famous". But beyond that, you Sir are a snitch. And nobody likes snitches.
covenant_merchant wrote: »InvitationNotFound wrote: »well, actually we are back at the discussion what an exploit is and what not.And for those that have exploited?
You know what a Exploit is ?In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversia
Its nothing else than flipping a keep over and over again, as i said such stuff was called "Creative Way of farming Ap " from Zenimax so punishing player now would be kinda wierd cause they could have done it also with a keep.
As cited by Aspirion:
In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.
Every single player at that resource exactly knew that a resource should give 1.5k and not 6k (and spare me with funny stories like how should we know. bet nobody read the patch notes or flipped any other resource after the update and headed straight to that resource ). Therefore it is obvious that it is a bug and you are gaining more AP then you should. So technically seen, yes, this is exploiting a bug. It may harm leader boards (if anyone cares ) and depending on the amount of AP gained it could lead to people selling more AP items (and therefore getting gold) then they should receive for their action, which may have an impact on economy
And i wouldn't compare it directly with bugged sets / skills as the game unfortunately forces people to equip certain skills / gear while others aren't aware of them being a mess. Joining such an action shown in this thread was every single players free will and they exactly knew what and why they were doing it the whole time.
The only argument that speaks for joining such an action is the lack of punishment from ZOS. And as we all know, they don't care at all. So i guess, feel free to keep on flipping flags at that resource
What about people like me, who merely enjoy some War-themed roleplay with their friends ?
Crispen_Longbow wrote: »ZoS has the information to identify which players clearly exploited this bug. It wouldn't be hard to determine if a player was exploiting and to what degree.
Account____________AP Gain_____________Flag Capture
Player 1____________10,200,000__________1700
Player 2_____________9,900,000__________1650
Player 3_____________9,600,000__________1600
Player 4_____________9,000,000__________1500
Player 5_____________6,750,000__________1125
Player 6_____________5,730,000__________955
Player 7_____________5,610,000__________935
Player 8_____________5,580,000__________930
Player 9_____________5,460,000__________910
Player 10____________5,400,000__________900
Player 75____________1,572,000__________262
Player 76____________1,566,000__________261
Player 77____________1,560,000__________260
Player 78____________1,500,000__________250
Player 500___________12,000_____________2
Player 501___________12,000_____________2
Player 1235__________6,000______________1
Player 1236__________6,000______________1
I have 3 daughters and they all do the same thing whenever they are in trouble for breaking the rules. They try and bring up something one of their sisters did that was wrong in the past to try and deflect/justify their behavior. I always tell them we aren't talking about what your sister did in the past. We are talking about your current behavior and the consquences of it.
Clearly players knew each resource is only suppose to give X amount of AP. When they found a resource that was bugged and started to exploit that bug is where their behavior/actions will now have consequences. It doesn't matter what bug exploits have been done by so and so in the past we are talking about this specific exploit and what should be done about it.
nullum crimen, nulla poena sine lege
Just to think about it
I saw no law which didnt allowed to switch flags or even Keeps...
covenant_merchant wrote: »What about just resetting the PVP-rank of all exploiters? I mean, it should be easy to find out who made striking more AP than the normal-playing people..
By the way... Haderus PC/EU today 3PM GMT+1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjn_zdoiwo&feature=youtu.be
"Look Mom, I'm famous". But beyond that, you Sir are a snitch. And nobody likes snitches.
nullum crimen, nulla poena sine lege
Just to think about it
I saw no law which didnt allowed to switch flags or even Keeps...
Here are the facts:
ZOS admitted to an error in coding 2 years ago regarding this particular resource.
Here is the objective of the game:
To control objectives for your faction in order to gain pts for your faction at each score evaluation.
Here is the reality:
It doesn't matter what ZOS does the mistake was admitted and blame has been laid.
The player have acted in accordance with the objectives of the map and have not altered cheated or exploited any part of the coding in order to gain an advantage over any other player.
There can be no action taken against the players when ZOS was made aware of the bug on February 7th by the players via their own bug forum.
If ZOS takes adverse action against any player it would be a public relations nightmare for ZOS and there share holders.
What ZOS should have done was hot fix the error immediately.
Precedence for this type of activity was set when this occurred during the release of the CP system. ZOS made the error and took weeks to correct and punished no one nor did they roll back any of the CP that had been earned which by the way clearly gave advantage to many players hence why the gated CP system was introduced.
There is nothing more to discuss other than when the hotfix will be released.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.