zyk wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have the list of all players in the EU and NA that gained AP from Black Boot Mine and discussing what actions to take with that information.

This game is so hopelessly lost.

We have memory hackers who get slapped in the wrist or ignored entirely, but people who "abused" your poorly redesigned gap closer a few months ago are banned. (remember that ignored pts feedback? of course not.)

What about the players who had been glitching set bonuses and multiple mundus bonuses in 2.6? You ignored the issues completely. Just like you always do.

Players have been 'boosting' AP to cheat on the leaderboards *since launch*. You ignore that, but will now take action against players exposing how half-assed your AP reward changes are? What did you think was going to happen?

I haven't even played 2.7 PVP live. My guild leader has made it clear we are not to abuse this. So I'm not writing this for my own benefit.

Please revert the AP change until you have the time and resources to do it properly. Don't ban players for your mistake.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert I have no idea who is responsible for what behind the scenes, but over the last year your teams have taken a broken AvA game with INCREDIBLE potential and made it worse. ZOS needs to invest in AvA. If not for profit, then because Zenimax is a world-class publisher and it has completely failed to deliver the game promised to us.

They have to start punishing ppl for exploiting. Especially because they didnt punish enough in the past. That was ZOS fault which created such "exploit early" atmosphere in the game. I mean ppl even come to the forum and openly brag about it.

And I dont think that deserve a perma ban. Maybe some creative way of punishing ppl. Get rid of ranks or ap or something like this.

Loicozor wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

covenant_merchant wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Is it too late now to say sorry?

Hush Baldy. Just say you were roleplaying. You did nothing wrong here, merely pretend to play at a war with other like-minded individuals.

I'm not worried, I haven't logged in since I was last killed by an invisible player

Better than killed by an invisible raid

Oh don't worry that happened too, even saved a video of it that I watch when I turn my pc on to make sure I don't open the ESO launcher.

Punish your bad employers for poor job the ydid messing up AP for resource/keep.

/ POPCORN

covenant_merchant wrote: »

I think this wouldn't have happened with clear instructions and rules on hand. Or well, not on such a large scale.

So AP feeding friends for emp on TF leaderboards is fine, but flipping a resource is somehow more condemnable, or am I missing something?

It would help a lot if ZOS made actually clear what constitutes a punishable offence when it comes to AP gains just so we know what to do.

Example - If you want to die on your friends to get him the emp achievement and def ticks, that's fine by us. If you're doing that at BB min however, it's not.

Or is it a question of scope? If the friend whom you're AP feeding gets 3k ticks and 1k from the tower wall repair, it's okay, but 7k is not.

Like it would be really difficult to abuse this new system anyways? Go to an outpost on an empty campaign with 5 people on each faction take it leave it open and flip the flags back and forth. Profit. Just fix this bug asap like you did with countless other things that affected primarily PVE and stop looking for witchhunts.

What about just resetting the PVP-rank of all exploiters? I mean, it should be easy to find out who made striking more AP than the normal-playing people..

By the way... Haderus PC/EU today 3PM GMT+1:

Paganini wrote: »

What about just resetting the PVP-rank of all exploiters? I mean, it should be easy to find out who made striking more AP than the normal-playing people..

By the way... Haderus PC/EU today 3PM GMT+1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIjn_zdoiwo&feature=youtu.be

watched the video and all i noticed was viper & tremor

ZoS has the information to identify which players clearly exploited this bug. It wouldn't be hard to determine if a player was exploiting and to what degree.

Account____________AP Gain_____________Flag Capture
Player 1____________10,200,000__________1700
Player 2_____________9,900,000__________1650
Player 3_____________9,600,000__________1600
Player 4_____________9,000,000__________1500
Player 5_____________6,750,000__________1125
Player 6_____________5,730,000__________955
Player 7_____________5,610,000__________935
Player 8_____________5,580,000__________930
Player 9_____________5,460,000__________910
Player 10____________5,400,000__________900
Player 75____________1,572,000__________262
Player 76____________1,566,000__________261
Player 77____________1,560,000__________260
Player 78____________1,500,000__________250
Player 500___________12,000_____________2
Player 501___________12,000_____________2
Player 1235__________6,000______________1
Player 1236__________6,000______________1

I have 3 daughters and they all do the same thing whenever they are in trouble for breaking the rules. They try and bring up something one of their sisters did that was wrong in the past to try and deflect/justify their behavior. I always tell them we aren't talking about what your sister did in the past. We are talking about your current behavior and the consquences of it.

Clearly players knew each resource is only suppose to give X amount of AP. When they found a resource that was bugged and started to exploit that bug is where their behavior/actions will now have consequences. It doesn't matter what bug exploits have been done by so and so in the past we are talking about this specific exploit and what should be done about it.

I'm sorry, "whataboutism" isn't a valid defense.

You don't get caught for a crime then list off in court all the other people you know who didn't get punished for other crimes. Sorry lol. The judge would look at you and laugh.