200k AP/H sitting afk at BB mine

Ragnaroek93

I'm against perma bans and I also think that a reset of the entire rank would be too much, but exploiters should get punished. With Battlegrounds coming (and probably competive PvP with them) it is really important for me, that the game stays clean from exploiting and cheating, I don't want to see leaderboards which are dominated by exploiters like it is the case in PvE and Cyrodiil. I'm so sick from seeing the amount of crap which gets exploited in this game, and I totally understand everyone who wants ZOS to take actions against that.

I'm triggered by the amount of excuses and lies being told in this thread tho.

Ackwalan

Anazasi wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Here are the facts:

ZOS admitted to an error in coding 2 years ago regarding this particular resource.

Here is the objective of the game:
To control objectives for your faction in order to gain pts for your faction at each score evaluation.

Here is the reality:
It doesn't matter what ZOS does the mistake was admitted and blame has been laid.

The player have acted in accordance with the objectives of the map and have not altered cheated or exploited any part of the coding in order to gain an advantage over any other player.

There can be no action taken against the players when ZOS was made aware of the bug on February 7th by the players via their own bug forum.

If ZOS takes adverse action against any player it would be a public relations nightmare for ZOS and there share holders.

What ZOS should have done was hot fix the error immediately.

Precedence for this type of activity was set when this occurred during the release of the CP system. ZOS made the error and took weeks to correct and punished no one nor did they roll back any of the CP that had been earned which by the way clearly gave advantage to many players hence why the gated CP system was introduced.

There is nothing more to discuss other than when the hotfix will be released.

You are like a little kid, face full of cookie crumbs, standing next to an empty cookie jar, telling mommy you didn't eat all the cookies, and if you did it was no big deal because cookies are made to be eaten.

are they not made to be eaten? If I was stealing them then yeah it would be an issue, but I'm not. I am simply turning a resource from one color to the appropriate color of the faction that owns the keep. I can not alter the fact that it provides more AP than others and it would be illogical to simply ignore the fact that it is blue when it is a yellow home keep. Perhaps you can tell the other factions that are located to the east and west to stay in their territory. One should never cross a bridge or a gate for the purpose of gaining something that is not theirs to begin with.

Interpretation is a very hard process, many players simply make judgements based on their own character or experience. When you are dealing with a global population you can not impose your own values on others. It always requires compromise that's what democracy is suppose to be about. ZOS has had a week to act on this and hotfix it. They are the ones who have failed in a responsibility to the players. It's also up to them to decide what is right and wrong.

You are using a lot of words trying to explain that you didn't knowingly use an exploit. You got caught.

covenant_merchant

Ackwalan wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Here are the facts:

ZOS admitted to an error in coding 2 years ago regarding this particular resource.

Here is the objective of the game:
To control objectives for your faction in order to gain pts for your faction at each score evaluation.

Here is the reality:
It doesn't matter what ZOS does the mistake was admitted and blame has been laid.

The player have acted in accordance with the objectives of the map and have not altered cheated or exploited any part of the coding in order to gain an advantage over any other player.

There can be no action taken against the players when ZOS was made aware of the bug on February 7th by the players via their own bug forum.

If ZOS takes adverse action against any player it would be a public relations nightmare for ZOS and there share holders.

What ZOS should have done was hot fix the error immediately.

Precedence for this type of activity was set when this occurred during the release of the CP system. ZOS made the error and took weeks to correct and punished no one nor did they roll back any of the CP that had been earned which by the way clearly gave advantage to many players hence why the gated CP system was introduced.

There is nothing more to discuss other than when the hotfix will be released.

You are like a little kid, face full of cookie crumbs, standing next to an empty cookie jar, telling mommy you didn't eat all the cookies, and if you did it was no big deal because cookies are made to be eaten.

are they not made to be eaten? If I was stealing them then yeah it would be an issue, but I'm not. I am simply turning a resource from one color to the appropriate color of the faction that owns the keep. I can not alter the fact that it provides more AP than others and it would be illogical to simply ignore the fact that it is blue when it is a yellow home keep. Perhaps you can tell the other factions that are located to the east and west to stay in their territory. One should never cross a bridge or a gate for the purpose of gaining something that is not theirs to begin with.

Interpretation is a very hard process, many players simply make judgements based on their own character or experience. When you are dealing with a global population you can not impose your own values on others. It always requires compromise that's what democracy is suppose to be about. ZOS has had a week to act on this and hotfix it. They are the ones who have failed in a responsibility to the players. It's also up to them to decide what is right and wrong.

You are using a lot of words trying to explain that you didn't knowingly use an exploit. You got caught.

Omg who cares. His words are pretty and should work as a credible excuse.

runagate

What I find especially galling about all of this is past inaction. I provided full chat transcripts from in-game of a certain exploiter now since banned after the meteor/ultimate exploit (providing the video of which was a gambit to get away with getting caught after the giddiness of exploiting wore off) well over a year earlier where their entire guild was discussing planning lagspoiting to farm BRK.. and many, many other times. Consciously crushing the servers.

If you initiate actions it provides less stress on your side than it does to the people nearby. So, if you have a giant zergball and time it in voice chat you can pretty much guarantee knocking people offline. A certain pug guild leader in DC PC/NA does this at outposts when he thinks he can get away with it. Other than assembling 50 people in one place it's the closest thing to tactics you could attribute to him.

But back in the day some guilds would hide themselves away inside their keep they were afraid of losing and at a critical moment spam the hell out of Springs and such. ZOS's TOS team were provided with irrefutable evidence.

It's gone on too long. I personally think just spamming your name over and over and over in allcaps in zone chat for 2+ years is more than enough reason to permaban someone, streamer and psychologically non compus mentus or not. Quit allowing ruining the game for all the other people who just want to enjoy themselves.

covenant_merchant

Well apparently BB Mine is fixed, so everyone can chill and rejoice.

Uranamor

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Omg who cares. His words are pretty and should work as a credible excuse.

Player like you, this game dont need.
only excuses...really...

Sanct16

Time to go to Haderus and Flip an outpost instead I guess...

covenant_merchant

Uranamor wrote: »

covenant_merchant wrote: »

Omg who cares. His words are pretty and should work as a credible excuse.

Player like you, this game dont need.
only excuses...really...

Well too bad for you I guess, because I'm here to stay.
And please stop speaking like Yoda. When he did it, it was cool. When you do it, it reeks of bad grammar and syntax.

Armitas

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have the list of all players in the EU and NA that gained AP from Black Boot Mine and discussing what actions to take with that information.

Make a sticky thread listing everyones name that exploited it, suspend them for three days, roll their ap back 3 months .

themdogesbite

I have no problems at all that resources and keeps give more AP then they have in the past, but the AP that you do get shouldn't be a new base value but instead spread over the players in the area. 6k Per person is just way to much, if it's instead spread over all the players in the area you still get more and i highly doubt it will get exploited.

EDIT: Logged back in and i've dropped like 40 spots on leaderboard and about 1.5 mill behind the guy that's on the spot i was on last.

Jamie22

Armitas

These excuses just make people look like perpetual exploiters.

KisoValley

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Just send them a warning and roll back their AP for the times they did the flips, shouldn't be hard to run the data queries to figure it out. And I can't imagine it being an extremely lengthy list of players.

They should however have that AP removed just like the grand overlords who sold the scrolls should have that gold removed.

You severely underestime how many players were doing it. I imagine PC NA had just as many players as PC EU had doing it.

The map was dead because of it. Most of 2 different factions are sitting at the mine during the time while the 3rd faction was taking the whole map lol.

e: Would just like to put out there, that I was also roleplaying a war during my time at BB mine. Kasa and her friends were my opposition during this roleplay.

Try to prove me wrong.

ZOS_BrianWheeler

The hotfix has been deployed on EU and NA servers where Black Boot Mine no longer gives 6000 AP per capture and gives the correct 1500 AP per capture.

ExcaliburESO

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The hotfix has been deployed on EU and NA servers where Black Boot Mine no longer gives 6000 AP per capture and gives the correct 1500 AP per capture.

Nice good job guys

Rohamad_Ali

That moment when you are so glad to didn't participate in an exploit no matter how tempting it was ...

Kirameku

Yay finally gj

Tendrielle

I think, something should also be done with the abuse of the situation in the past. but maybe one could go the other way round and simply reward all those that did not make use of the existing potential for exploitation.

LegendaryChef

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The hotfix has been deployed on EU and NA servers where Black Boot Mine no longer gives 6000 AP per capture and gives the correct 1500 AP per capture.

That's great, any chance of getting rid of the invisible players while your at it?

EdTerra

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The hotfix has been deployed on EU and NA servers where Black Boot Mine no longer gives 6000 AP per capture and gives the correct 1500 AP per capture.

nice, and about exploiters ?

Chuga_Rei

Thanks for the quick fix.

Sandman929

Armitas wrote: »

These excuses just make people look like perpetual exploiters.

Because they are.

Rohamad_Ali

Just a suggestion @ZOS_BrianWheeler . Even though I didn't mess with this exploit and other did for an advantage , I think this should be handled carefully for two reasons . You guys have never established a rule about AP farming or switching resources back and forth . This would be an opportunity to make a rule finally and hand out warnings to anyone that continues to bend the rules for AP will now be considered breaking the rules . The second reason is this was reported publicly by players to let you know what was going on . We need more clearly written rules in Cyrodiil and this is your chance .

Am I jealous of those that got a ton of easy AP ? No .. not really . I'm more concerned with the over all future and health of PVP .

ChandraNalaar

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Just a suggestion @ZOS_BrianWheeler . Even though I didn't mess with this exploit and other did for and advantage , I think this should be handled carefully for two reasons . You guys have never established a rule about AP farming or switching resources back and forth . This would be an opportunity to make a rule finally and hand out warnings to anyone that continues to bend the rules for AP will now be considered breaking the rules . The second reason is this was reported publicly by players to let you know what was going on . We need more clearly written rules in Cyrodiil and this is your chance .

Am I jealous of those that got a ton of easy AP ? No .. not really . I'm more concerned with the over all future and health of PVP .

This^^. Nothing has ever been set in stone on whether or not this is acceptable, so players do it without having to worry about getting banned for anything.

Ackwalan

I'm keeping an eye on the ap leaderboard, just for giggles.

KisoValley

So, we all moving our roleplaying to Nikel Sejanus and Bleakers now.

Join in for fun roleplaying activities + AP gains.

WillhelmBlack

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Who the hell cares about AP or leader-boards anymore, the game's been 3yrs. PvP is for trolling and salt farming, that is all.

Bob on!

Ankael07

Universe

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The hotfix has been deployed on EU and NA servers where Black Boot Mine no longer gives 6000 AP per capture and gives the correct 1500 AP per capture.

Thanks for letting us know
Now what about the exploiters ?
I believe that a ban of 3 months up to permanent is in order.
Also, please remove their rankings.
Thanks!

Rohamad_Ali

KisoValley wrote: »

So, we all moving our roleplaying to Nikel Sejanus and Bleakers now.

Join in for fun roleplaying activities + AP gains.

You guys better come up with on damn good role playing story and stay in character because I think Wheeler is getting really annoyed . Full costumes and emotes with at least seven pages of dialogue .