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✭✭It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.
You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?
I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.
So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed?
Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."
so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?
I'm not going to continue this circular arguement with you trying to corral me into saying what you want to hear.
I have stated my position and that is where it stands right now. However, I will try to keep an open mind because I acknowledge that I am still working out how to play NB in PvP. As I continue to learn and hopefully get better, I may change my opinion later.
If you aren't willing to discuss, using arguments, and responding to opposing arguments instead of just dismissing them, then I'm sorry but you have no say in any balancing discussion. Period.
I have answered all your points, you just don't like the answer. I understand your points. I just don't agree at this time and I don't have time to chase circular arguments all day long. I'd rather spend my evening playing the game and theory crafting my NB PvP build instead of playing forum wars.
Setting class aside
No I dont agree with removing stun from a stealth attack unless the player is actively in combat it has his defensive skill active
Yes I feel that someone standing around with their thumb up their keister should have extra punishment for it
No I dont agree a bonus should be given to just discovering a player from stealth except perhaps as a benefit with mage light being active, not just slotted
Just to be clear, no one likes being stun locked in place, not even me. You want to remove stun/lock from the NB ambush skill. You want real balance then remove stun/lock from every other skill that every other class or weapon has. If one can't have it then no one should have it. No talons, no ice staff freezing in place. That's the only way I'll agree to that.
Furthermore, you don't decide who can and can't comment, ZoS does. Until they ban my forum account, I have just as much right to discuss anything on this forum as anyone. There is no rule saying I have to agree with you to participate.
Period
Once again you bring in Nightblade. I . Am. Not. Talking. About. Nightblades. Can it get any clearer?
You refuse to acknowledge that opening on someone from stealth, choosing your fights, is an advantage. It's not subject to opinion. It's a fact. You have yet to tell me why you believe that any advantage on top of that (talking about the stealth mechanic and not about nightblade passives) is justified.0 -
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Yes I do.
Longer cloak time would be to mitigate the nerf to burst damage and allow a NB to regroup and reposition.
Which it does not need. NBs are fine?
That´s the same as me saying: If shields were made to be unstackable (which i´m highly in favor of) as compensation streak costincrease should be removed and all gapclosers patched out of the game.
I think they are fine as they are, but people are crying for a nerf. I think if proc sets were removed, it would solve a lot of issues honestly.
Well but sneakattacks are not an NB exclusive mechanic. They´re a universal tool available to all classes. It´s not a NB mechanic. So we´re arguing about making adjustments to all classes.
Tell me a good reason why an attack executed on an opponent who can not be aware of your presence because you´re invsibile should also offer you bonus dmg and a free cc just for having the advantage of initiative in the first place?
When i say NBs are fine as they are i mean that they are fine fighting an opponent that knows they´re present and is actively fighting back. In that situation NBs are fine.
Sneak attacks are main thing why NB is out there as a viable class in PvP. My main is sDK and I benefit a lot from sneak attacks myself. If you remove sneaking from the game, NB is completely useless, only thing they could try then is running as mNB in huge zergs spamming AOE bs and destro ultis. If that is the way you want PvP to work, please, go play train crash simulator or something.
If you want good reason why stealth attacks should do more damage, please go play some more games that have stealth component in them and then come and tell us that ESO stealth is broken.
About stun, all you have to do is press one ( 1 ) button to get out of that bs and also gain a window where you cannot be CCd again. If you have troubles pressing one button, I fear you have a lot to learn. But instead of wanting to get better, to learn more, to become aware of your surroundings, you choose a third wheel addon to hold your hand because you are lazy and play game half assed. That is pretty sad. I mean, if you don't enjoy game enough to find fun in overcoming game mechanics without using cheats, I can't even see why do you waste your time on playing it in the 1st place? If you cheat in games, you might be even worse person irl, if you ask me. And using broken addon such as this bs is just that - cheating.
And all ppl that QQ about NBs, I bet at least 60% of all your kills in game are NBs, since they are squishy af compared to anything else in ESO. I PvPd so far as sDK, mDK, sNB, mSorc and on each of my chars statistics show that I have most kills among NB, and least against DKs. Why is that? Because I am awesome PvPer? Or because NBs have no health and poor damage mitigation? Only way for them to mitigate or deal damage is to be invisible. And if you use bs addon to remove their main defense/offense, you ruin entire class, just because you are lazy ************* ****** *****, and a true cancer that ruins PvP in ESO, making it a zerg only zone. Shame on you.Edited by Enslaved on January 25, 2017 11:06AM1 -
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Etaniel✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes I do.
Longer cloak time would be to mitigate the nerf to burst damage and allow a NB to regroup and reposition.
Which it does not need. NBs are fine?
That´s the same as me saying: If shields were made to be unstackable (which i´m highly in favor of) as compensation streak costincrease should be removed and all gapclosers patched out of the game.
I think they are fine as they are, but people are crying for a nerf. I think if proc sets were removed, it would solve a lot of issues honestly.
Well but sneakattacks are not an NB exclusive mechanic. They´re a universal tool available to all classes. It´s not a NB mechanic. So we´re arguing about making adjustments to all classes.
Tell me a good reason why an attack executed on an opponent who can not be aware of your presence because you´re invsibile should also offer you bonus dmg and a free cc just for having the advantage of initiative in the first place?
When i say NBs are fine as they are i mean that they are fine fighting an opponent that knows they´re present and is actively fighting back. In that situation NBs are fine.
Sneak attacks are main thing why NB is out there as a viable class in PvP. My main is sDK and I benefit a lot from sneak attacks myself. If you remove sneaking from the game, NB is completely useless, only thing they could try then is running as mNB in huge zergs spamming AOE bs and destro ultis. If that is the way you want PvP to work, please, go play train crash simulator or something.
If you want good reason why stealth attacks should do more damage, please go play some more games that have stealth component in them and then come and tell us that ESO stealth is broken.
About stun, all you have to do is press one ( 1 ) button to get out of that bs and also gain a window where you cannot be CCd again. If you have troubles pressing one button, I fear you have a lot to learn. But instead of wanting to get better, to learn more, to become aware of your surroundings, you choose a third wheel addon to hold your hand because you are lazy and play game half assed. That is pretty sad. I mean, if you don't enjoy game enough to find fun in overcoming game mechanics without using cheats, I can't even see why do you waste your time on playing it in the 1st place? If you cheat in games, you might be even worse person irl, if you ask me. And using broken addon such as this bs is just that - cheating.
And all ppl that QQ about NBs, I bet at least 60% of all your kills in game are NBs, since they are squishy af compared to anything else in ESO. I PvPd so far as sDK, mDK, sNB, mSorc and on each of my chars statistics show that I have most kills among NB, and least against DKs. Why is that? Because I am awesome PvPer? Or because NBs have no health and poor damage mitigation? Only way for them to mitigate or deal damage is to be invisible. And if you use bs addon to remove their main defense/offense, you ruin entire class, just because you are lazy ************* ****** *****, and a true cancer that ruins PvP in ESO, making it a zerg only zone. Shame on you.
I'm pretty sure everyone has NB on top of their kill list simply because nb is the most played class. And I don't know any other game (multiplayer that is) where stealth has so many advantages.
Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.3 -
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If you don't think that NBs are viable out of sneak (both stamina and magicka), then I have a sneaking suspicion that you have no idea how to play.Sneak attacks are main thing why NB is out there as a viable class in PvP. My main is sDK and I benefit a lot from sneak attacks myself. If you remove sneaking from the game, NB is completely useless, only thing they could try then is running as mNB in huge zergs spamming AOE bs and destro ultis.
Most healthy PVP games with stealth mechanics don't actually include 1 shots. The element of surprise is generally enough of an advantage. A lot of us have played other games with stealth in them. We have an actual frame of reference to conclude that the stealth mechanics in this game are antiquated and unnecessary. It has no place in a (what should ideally be) balanced PVP environment. What you said makes me think of something like Call of Duty sniping lol. Maybe that's where you belong if you want your stealthy one shots.If you want good reason why stealth attacks should do more damage, please go play some more games that have stealth component in them and then come and tell us that ESO stealth is broken.
This is so perfectly ironic. You claim NBs are unplayable without sneak, but other people have to learn how to play to not be one shot from an invisible player? That is the most backwards logic. You are too lazy to learn how to effectively play your class. You would rather rely on your crutches.About stun, all you have to do is press one ( 1 ) button to get out of that bs and also gain a window where you cannot be CCd again. If you have troubles pressing one button, I fear you have a lot to learn. But instead of wanting to get better, to learn more, to become aware of your surroundings, you choose a third wheel addon to hold your hand because you are lazy and play game half assed.
I feel like the people ganking and group ganking force people into groups more than people who use the addon. The only people this addon "forces" to group are actually stealth gankers who rely THAT heavily on stealth mechanics to the point that they can't function in combat outside of it.Only way for them to mitigate or deal damage is to be invisible. And if you use bs addon to remove their main defense/offense, you ruin entire class, just because you are lazy ************* ****** *****, and a true cancer that ruins PvP in ESO, making it a zerg only zone. Shame on you.
If you're on NA, I can teach you how to play Nightblade without relying on stealth, but like I said earlier, I can imagine you'd be too lazy to learn.3 -
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Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.
Any average DK would kill any average NB that is not in stealth. Sorc would destroy non stealthed NB no matter if its mSorc or sSorc. And Templars that are not healbots will have no problem against average out of stealth NB.
I might not be as good as NB as I am with DK, since I main DK, but from what I saw fighting NBs in Cyrodiil, if you take them out of stealth, you did half of the job killing them. One simple attack, and tumorscale will snare them to oblivion, viper will proc as well, claw, bash, poison injection if needed and most of NBs in Cyrodiil will die. I mean, huge chunk of my AP gain are from killing NBs like that. Do I need bullshiet addon to tell me "U R GONNA GET ATTACKED NOW" or show me that an area is filled with gankers? This addon is for cowards and cheaters.3 -
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If you don't think that NBs are viable out of sneak (both stamina and magicka), then I have a sneaking suspicion that you have no idea how to play.Sneak attacks are main thing why NB is out there as a viable class in PvP. My main is sDK and I benefit a lot from sneak attacks myself. If you remove sneaking from the game, NB is completely useless, only thing they could try then is running as mNB in huge zergs spamming AOE bs and destro ultis.
Most healthy PVP games with stealth mechanics don't actually include 1 shots. The element of surprise is generally enough of an advantage. A lot of us have played other games with stealth in them. We have an actual frame of reference to conclude that the stealth mechanics in this game are antiquated and unnecessary. It has no place in a (what should ideally be) balanced PVP environment. What you said makes me think of something like Call of Duty sniping lol. Maybe that's where you belong if you want your stealthy one shots.If you want good reason why stealth attacks should do more damage, please go play some more games that have stealth component in them and then come and tell us that ESO stealth is broken.
This is so perfectly ironic. You claim NBs are unplayable without sneak, but other people have to learn how to play to not be one shot from an invisible player? That is the most backwards logic. You are too lazy to learn how to effectively play your class. You would rather rely on your crutches.About stun, all you have to do is press one ( 1 ) button to get out of that bs and also gain a window where you cannot be CCd again. If you have troubles pressing one button, I fear you have a lot to learn. But instead of wanting to get better, to learn more, to become aware of your surroundings, you choose a third wheel addon to hold your hand because you are lazy and play game half assed.
I feel like the people ganking and group ganking force people into groups more than people who use the addon. The only people this addon "forces" to group are actually stealth gankers who rely THAT heavily on stealth mechanics to the point that they can't function in combat outside of it.Only way for them to mitigate or deal damage is to be invisible. And if you use bs addon to remove their main defense/offense, you ruin entire class, just because you are lazy ************* ****** *****, and a true cancer that ruins PvP in ESO, making it a zerg only zone. Shame on you.
If you're on NA, I can teach you how to play Nightblade without relying on stealth, but like I said earlier, I can imagine you'd be too lazy to learn.
If you are getting one shotted, I think you might take your advice and learn a thing or two as well.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I guess your entire post is bs. I mean, if you were not one shotted, how on Nirn can you even claim such things then?
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If I'm not currently walking the street, how can I describe the general experience of walking the street? Is that what you're asking?I guess your entire post is bs. I mean, if you were not one shotted, how on Nirn can you even claim such things then?
If I'm not one shotted, how can I claim that NB is viable out of stealth?
What the..
Guess you're just trollingEdited by Yiko on January 25, 2017 1:32PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭I admire the amount of sophism bs you can produce. Yet you support cheating addon. What a waste of potential.0 -
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Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.
Any average DK would kill any average NB that is not in stealth. Sorc would destroy non stealthed NB no matter if its mSorc or sSorc. And Templars that are not healbots will have no problem against average out of stealth NB.
I might not be as good as NB as I am with DK, since I main DK, but from what I saw fighting NBs in Cyrodiil, if you take them out of stealth, you did half of the job killing them. One simple attack, and tumorscale will snare them to oblivion, viper will proc as well, claw, bash, poison injection if needed and most of NBs in Cyrodiil will die. I mean, huge chunk of my AP gain are from killing NBs like that. Do I need bullshiet addon to tell me "U R GONNA GET ATTACKED NOW" or show me that an area is filled with gankers? This addon is for cowards and cheaters.
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
It just so happens that most people who don't look for a fight pick nightblades as they probably wanna recreate the easy mode feeling in Skyrim, with huge damage multipliers. And since they don't train for fights, yeah, taking them out of stealth usually means death for them. But that's not something tied to nightblades, it's tied to people who rely on stealth to play.2 -
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Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.
Any average DK would kill any average NB that is not in stealth. Sorc would destroy non stealthed NB no matter if its mSorc or sSorc. And Templars that are not healbots will have no problem against average out of stealth NB.
I might not be as good as NB as I am with DK, since I main DK, but from what I saw fighting NBs in Cyrodiil, if you take them out of stealth, you did half of the job killing them. One simple attack, and tumorscale will snare them to oblivion, viper will proc as well, claw, bash, poison injection if needed and most of NBs in Cyrodiil will die. I mean, huge chunk of my AP gain are from killing NBs like that. Do I need bullshiet addon to tell me "U R GONNA GET ATTACKED NOW" or show me that an area is filled with gankers? This addon is for cowards and cheaters.
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
It just so happens that most people who don't look for a fight pick nightblades as they probably wanna recreate the easy mode feeling in Skyrim, with huge damage multipliers. And since they don't train for fights, yeah, taking them out of stealth usually means death for them. But that's not something tied to nightblades, it's tied to people who rely on stealth to play.
Great. So mTemps should fight without jesus beam, mSorcs should fight without using wrath/curse, sSorcs should fight without using hurrdurricane, sDk should fight without using claw... Because they can, yeah?
Maybe NB should also drop fear, since it is a "bs broken skill that ruins everyone's childhood".
Stealth for a NB is their main line of offense/defense. And this addon removes that. I simply cant comprehend how can you not see that?
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Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.
Any average DK would kill any average NB that is not in stealth. Sorc would destroy non stealthed NB no matter if its mSorc or sSorc. And Templars that are not healbots will have no problem against average out of stealth NB.
I might not be as good as NB as I am with DK, since I main DK, but from what I saw fighting NBs in Cyrodiil, if you take them out of stealth, you did half of the job killing them. One simple attack, and tumorscale will snare them to oblivion, viper will proc as well, claw, bash, poison injection if needed and most of NBs in Cyrodiil will die. I mean, huge chunk of my AP gain are from killing NBs like that. Do I need bullshiet addon to tell me "U R GONNA GET ATTACKED NOW" or show me that an area is filled with gankers? This addon is for cowards and cheaters.
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
It just so happens that most people who don't look for a fight pick nightblades as they probably wanna recreate the easy mode feeling in Skyrim, with huge damage multipliers. And since they don't train for fights, yeah, taking them out of stealth usually means death for them. But that's not something tied to nightblades, it's tied to people who rely on stealth to play.
Great. So mTemps should fight without jesus beam, mSorcs should fight without using wrath/curse, sSorcs should fight without using hurrdurricane, sDk should fight without using claw... Because they can, yeah?
Maybe NB should also drop fear, since it is a "bs broken skill that ruins everyone's childhood".
Stealth for a NB is their main line of offense/defense. And this addon removes that. I simply cant comprehend how can you not see that?
Ok, you seem to have issues reading. I'm talking about Stealth and NOT cloak.
Stealth is NOT the main line of defense/offense for a nightblade, you could argue that cloak is, and some very good nightblades play without it (hello @Blobsky )
And for your info, a nightblade using cloak IS NOT detected by the addon (words from the devs themselves) so your argument is invalid anyways.0 -
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Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.
Any average DK would kill any average NB that is not in stealth. Sorc would destroy non stealthed NB no matter if its mSorc or sSorc. And Templars that are not healbots will have no problem against average out of stealth NB.
I might not be as good as NB as I am with DK, since I main DK, but from what I saw fighting NBs in Cyrodiil, if you take them out of stealth, you did half of the job killing them. One simple attack, and tumorscale will snare them to oblivion, viper will proc as well, claw, bash, poison injection if needed and most of NBs in Cyrodiil will die. I mean, huge chunk of my AP gain are from killing NBs like that. Do I need bullshiet addon to tell me "U R GONNA GET ATTACKED NOW" or show me that an area is filled with gankers? This addon is for cowards and cheaters.
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
It just so happens that most people who don't look for a fight pick nightblades as they probably wanna recreate the easy mode feeling in Skyrim, with huge damage multipliers. And since they don't train for fights, yeah, taking them out of stealth usually means death for them. But that's not something tied to nightblades, it's tied to people who rely on stealth to play.
Great. So mTemps should fight without jesus beam, mSorcs should fight without using wrath/curse, sSorcs should fight without using hurrdurricane, sDk should fight without using claw... Because they can, yeah?
Maybe NB should also drop fear, since it is a "bs broken skill that ruins everyone's childhood".
Stealth for a NB is their main line of offense/defense. And this addon removes that. I simply cant comprehend how can you not see that?
Ok, you seem to have issues reading. I'm talking about Stealth and NOT cloak.
Stealth is NOT the main line of defense/offense for a nightblade, you could argue that cloak is, and some very good nightblades play without it (hello @Blobsky )
And for your info, a nightblade using cloak IS NOT detected by the addon (words from the devs themselves) so your argument is invalid anyways.
Do NB players rely on burst damage from STEALTH?
Do NB players use cloak to get away and back to STEALTH?
If an addon tells lazy user that it is being targeted, there is no attack surprise from stealth, so main offensive capability of NB has been removed. Or you will deny that too?2 -
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Nb is NOT completely useless outside of stealth. This is a clear indication that you don't know how to play a class to it's fullest.
Any average DK would kill any average NB that is not in stealth. Sorc would destroy non stealthed NB no matter if its mSorc or sSorc. And Templars that are not healbots will have no problem against average out of stealth NB.
I might not be as good as NB as I am with DK, since I main DK, but from what I saw fighting NBs in Cyrodiil, if you take them out of stealth, you did half of the job killing them. One simple attack, and tumorscale will snare them to oblivion, viper will proc as well, claw, bash, poison injection if needed and most of NBs in Cyrodiil will die. I mean, huge chunk of my AP gain are from killing NBs like that. Do I need bullshiet addon to tell me "U R GONNA GET ATTACKED NOW" or show me that an area is filled with gankers? This addon is for cowards and cheaters.
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
It just so happens that most people who don't look for a fight pick nightblades as they probably wanna recreate the easy mode feeling in Skyrim, with huge damage multipliers. And since they don't train for fights, yeah, taking them out of stealth usually means death for them. But that's not something tied to nightblades, it's tied to people who rely on stealth to play.
Great. So mTemps should fight without jesus beam, mSorcs should fight without using wrath/curse, sSorcs should fight without using hurrdurricane, sDk should fight without using claw... Because they can, yeah?
Maybe NB should also drop fear, since it is a "bs broken skill that ruins everyone's childhood".
Stealth for a NB is their main line of offense/defense. And this addon removes that. I simply cant comprehend how can you not see that?
Ok, you seem to have issues reading. I'm talking about Stealth and NOT cloak.
Stealth is NOT the main line of defense/offense for a nightblade, you could argue that cloak is, and some very good nightblades play without it (hello @Blobsky )
And for your info, a nightblade using cloak IS NOT detected by the addon (words from the devs themselves) so your argument is invalid anyways.
Do NB players rely on burst damage from STEALTH?
Do NB players use cloak to get away and back to STEALTH?
If an addon tells lazy user that it is being targeted, there is no attack surprise from stealth, so main offensive capability of NB has been removed. Or you will deny that too?
Gank nightblades rely on burst from stealth. Invisibility from cloak and from stealth are 2 different things, 2 different game mechanics that don't benefit from the same bonuses.
A nightblade can use cloak and eventually go back to stealth if he manages to exit the fight, while he is cloak, the addon doesn't tell you that. You will get the info once he enters stealth, once again a different mechanic. In any case even if it did give you the info that someone just used cloak, what does it matter? It's not removing the defensive ability, it would just tell you that they used it, and anyone trying to attack you definitely knows that you are on the defense with or without the addon, it doesn't change that aspect at all.
The addon removes the surprise element yes, i'm not denying that. It's the whole point of the addon anyways > to prevent people from getting oneshot, because it's something that should never happen in an online game anyways.
BUT I do deny that it removes the main offensive capability of nightblades because once again, you are reducing nightblades to a gank class, which they are not necessarily.2 -
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✭Stealth is NOT the main line of defense/offense for a nightblade, you could argue that cloak is, and some very good nightblades play without it (hello @Blobsky )
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
That is BS man. We can say that you can play sorcs without using hardened ward and streak, and you can play a templar without using jabs and cleanse, but what is the point of playing those classes then? If i play a nightblade, i want to use cloak because is their distinctive ability and is what it shapes the nightblade playstyle. Can i play without it? for sure, but in that case i prefer to play other classes with better utility and healing. And cloak is not only for ganking, non-ganking builds use cloak to improve the burst combo, suppress dots and buff the healing with crits, playing without cloak is only grimping yourself just for the sake of it, try to heal with a medium armor nighblade without cloak and you will see how your vigor dosn't even move the hp bar when you are heal debuffed.
Tbh i'm complete tired of players judging the level of skill of an opponent based on his class or playstyle. Have you ever played a nightblade? if that is the case i'm pretty sure that you are familiar with the reaction of most of the players when they get killed by a NB, there is a malformed idea that if you play a nightblade and you use cloak, you are an unskilled noob, when is the other way around. Playing a successfully medium armor nightblade takes 10x more practice and skill that getting carried by a heavy armor build with infinite sustain while blocking, one single mistake and you are dead in a single burst, meanwhile in heavy armor you can't make a millon of mistakes and still recover from almost anything. I wish the bring back the old heav armor just for one week so everyone can remember how this game used to be, 90% of the cyrodril players couldn't stand 5 seconds in a fight vs a good player, now they can stall the fights for an hour with the stupid mitigation/sustain/healing of heavy armor. Nighblade with cloak is not just ganking, and everyone that rerolled NB and tried to run anything besides a proc ganking build figured out that in 5 minutes of playtime.
Using or not using cloak does not define the level of a player, your are not a more skilled played for not using cloak. I'm using cloak because that is what defines the nightblade playstyle that i like, if i don't want to use cloak, i'm better be playing other classes.Edited by ManDraKE on January 25, 2017 2:57PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭So you say because proc sets will be nerfed, NBs should also be nerfed.Edited by Enslaved on January 25, 2017 2:54PM0 -
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✭✭Stealth is NOT the main line of defense/offense for a nightblade, you could argue that cloak is, and some very good nightblades play without it (hello @Blobsky )
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
That is BS man. We can say that you can play sorcs without using hardened ward and streak, and you can play a templar without using jabs and cleanse, but what is the point of playing those classes then? If i play a nightblade, i want to use cloak because is their distinctive ability and is what it shapes the nightblade playstyle. Can i play without it? for sure, but in that case i prefer to play other classes with better utility and healing. And cloak is not only for ganking, non-ganking builds use cloak to improve the burst combo, suppress dots and buff the healing with crits, playing without cloak is only grimping yourself just for the sake of it, try to heal with a medium armor nighblade without cloak and you will see how your vigor dosn't even move the hp bar when you are heal debuffed.
Tbh i'm complete tired of players judging the level of skill of an opponent based on his class or playstyle. Have you ever played a nightblade? if that is the case i'm pretty sure that you are familiar with the reaction of most of the players when they get killed by a NB, there is a malformed idea that if you play a nightblade and you use cloak, you are an unskilled noob, when is the other way around. Playing a successfully medium armor nightblade takes 10x more practice and skill that getting carried by a heavy armor build with infinite sustain while blocking, one single mistake and you are dead in a single burst, meanwhile in heavy armor you can't make a millon of mistakes and still recover from almost anything. I wish the bring back the old heav armor just for one week so everyone can remember how this game used to be, 90% of the cyrodril players couldn't stand 5 seconds in a fight vs a good player, now they can stall the fights for an hour with the stupid mitigation/sustain/healing of heavy armor.
Using or not using cloak does not define the level of a player, your are not a more skilled played for not using cloak. I'm using cloak because that is what defines the nightblade playstyle that i like, if i don't want to use cloak, i'm better be playing other classes.
@ManDraKE
For the hundreth billionth time, I am talking about stealth and not cloak. I have no issue with cloak. The addon doesn't tell you about cloaked players around you, it doesn't reveal them etc.. No one is asking nbs to play without cloak so can we PLEASE stop talking about cloak and making a strawman with it? please?0 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭So many NBs are ganking (or soloing/small-scaling) because that is the one thing they really excel at in OneTamriel.
EDIT: For many stam NBs, ganking is also the ONLY thing they still excel at in OneTamriel. Zenimax has severely nerfed NB survival skills in intense battle situations, and the incoming nerf to shuffle will make things even worse.Edited by visionality on January 25, 2017 3:06PM4 -
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✭visionality wrote: »So many NBs are ganking (or soloing/small-scaling) because that is the one thing they really excel at in OneTamriel.
EDIT: For many stam NBs, ganking is also the ONLY thing they still excel at in OneTamriel. Zenimax has severely nerfed NB survival skills in intense battle situations, and the incoming nerf to shuffle will make things even worse.
yes and no. I admit that playing a solo non-gaking build is really hard with this meta, but the problem is more related to how OP heavy armor is and the stupid high burst damage you can pull while using it. The class itself is in no bad state at all, but it dosn't synergize well with the current meta. Nightblade has always been about mobility with high burst and high regen, and the current meta is tank&spank with 0 regen and high healing/sustain with heavy armor. That is why most of the nighblades are running ganking builds, everything else is highly frustrating, specially for average players, not many players can successfully play a non-ganking NB medium-armor solo build.Edited by ManDraKE on January 25, 2017 3:14PM2 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Stealth is NOT the main line of defense/offense for a nightblade, you could argue that cloak is, and some very good nightblades play without it (hello @Blobsky )
Don't generalize the fact that you get beaten by any average player to everyone else in Cyrodiil please.
As I said, nightblades can be played completely without using stealth. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's impossible.
Gutting stealth wouldn't gut nightblades, it would gut every single player who has never tried anything else but ganking because they are looking for easy kills and not for actual fights.
That is BS man. We can say that you can play sorcs without using hardened ward and streak, and you can play a templar without using jabs and cleanse, but what is the point of playing those classes then? If i play a nightblade, i want to use cloak because is their distinctive ability and is what it shapes the nightblade playstyle. Can i play without it? for sure, but in that case i prefer to play other classes with better utility and healing. And cloak is not only for ganking, non-ganking builds use cloak to improve the burst combo, suppress dots and buff the healing with crits, playing without cloak is only grimping yourself just for the sake of it, try to heal with a medium armor nighblade without cloak and you will see how your vigor dosn't even move the hp bar when you are heal debuffed.
Tbh i'm complete tired of players judging the level of skill of an opponent based on his class or playstyle. Have you ever played a nightblade? if that is the case i'm pretty sure that you are familiar with the reaction of most of the players when they get killed by a NB, there is a malformed idea that if you play a nightblade and you use cloak, you are an unskilled noob, when is the other way around. Playing a successfully medium armor nightblade takes 10x more practice and skill that getting carried by a heavy armor build with infinite sustain while blocking, one single mistake and you are dead in a single burst, meanwhile in heavy armor you can't make a millon of mistakes and still recover from almost anything. I wish the bring back the old heav armor just for one week so everyone can remember how this game used to be, 90% of the cyrodril players couldn't stand 5 seconds in a fight vs a good player, now they can stall the fights for an hour with the stupid mitigation/sustain/healing of heavy armor.
Using or not using cloak does not define the level of a player, your are not a more skilled played for not using cloak. I'm using cloak because that is what defines the nightblade playstyle that i like, if i don't want to use cloak, i'm better be playing other classes.
This is a wall of text trying to justify how you abuse stealth mechanics to get easy kills instead of actual fights. Just like @Ethaniel said. Most stamblades these days are garbage builds designed for easy kills with broken game mechanics. The fact you're bemoaning your lack of self-healing further indicates you don't have a legitimate build, you have a high burst gank-only build. Yeah, a build like that is only useful in a low-skill playstyle where you have to get the jump on someone out of stealth with your broken combo and procs and kill them with one macro. If they survive you dip out, recover resources, then jump them again out of stealth. Rinse, repeat.
You can make high sustain nightblades, but you actually end up fighting other players then. You don't just kill them with your macro, you have to actually have skill and out-perform your opponent.
And you are crying about heavy armor. Give me a break. 7 medium reduces stamina costs by 21% and increases stamina recovery by 28%. That's far superior to Constitution. Sounds like you just hate heavy because it makes your ganking harder; you want everyone squishy for more free kills. Imo learn to fight people. But here's a newsflash, the reason everyone is rolling tanky chars these days is because -- wait for it -- trash stamblade proc set gankers. Either you tank it up or you end up a free kill for some garbage stamblade ganker.5 -
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✭✭What I understand from what you wrote is that you support game breaking bs addon that cripples one of classes we have in ESO in particular.
And what I understand from you is that you are ok with oneshots. Sounds like fun for everyone ! oh wait..0 -
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✭I admire the amount of sophism bs you can produce. Yet you support cheating addon. What a waste of potential.What I understand from what you wrote is that you support game breaking bs addon that cripples one of classes we have in ESO in particular.
sounds a bit butt hurt...
stealth currently is an issue (and i have the feeling you will see a lot more cancer in eso soon, as stealth is too overpowered... maybe you should check youtube...)
proc sets is an issue
anyway, i guess you didn't get the point:
ZOS did not forbid using this addon instead stated it is ok to use it until they come up with a statement (API changes with the next update). Therefore, this is allowed and not cheating.
You can actually compare it with animation canceling (and nope, we aren't going to discuss animation canceling here any further in this thread). Obviously it is a bug (the animations are too long or damage shouldn't be applied or whatever). Abusing a bug = exploiting. ZOS wasn't able to fix it so they said it is a feature and legal. here you go. if you want to complain about the addon and call it cheating feel free to rage whisper everyone using animation canceling because it's "cheating".
deal with the *** fact that it is currently allowed, therefore not cheating and now grow up and live with it.We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of combat to feel awesome... - The Wrobler
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✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »This is a wall of text trying to justify how you abuse stealth mechanics to get easy kills instead of actual fights. Just like @Ethaniel said. Most stamblades these days are garbage builds designed for easy kills with broken game mechanics. The fact you're bemoaning your lack of self-healing further indicates you don't have a legitimate build, you have a high burst gank-only build. Yeah, a build like that is only useful in a low-skill playstyle where you have to get the jump on someone out of stealth with your broken combo and procs and kill them with one macro. If they survive you dip out, recover resources, then jump them again out of stealth. Rinse, repeat.
Where i suggested the "abuse" of the stealth mechanics? really, qoute the specific part of my post where i said that. Also show me the line of where stealth is ok and where is "exploited", so i least can understand what is your concept of exploit. If i press the cloak button, i'm exploiting it? ..
What i said about nightblades self-healing is a fact, not a build problem. Nightblades get their healing from vigor crits while cloaked (or you can use broken *** like vitality pots, but that's is another discussion for another day), if you remove cloak form your bar, your literally ditched half of your healing, simple as that.
I didn't do any mention to a ganking build, my entire post was from a perspective of a non-ganking build using cloak. Using cloak to provide a dmg boost to your combos, is completely different to having an entire build made for one-shoots with things like magelight, divines gear and proc sets (in my book, that would be abusing the stealth mechanic). ANY nightblade will use cloak in a offensive and a defensive way, and that doesn't mean that is gank build, is just part of their combo.josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »And you are crying about heavy armor. Give me a break. 7 medium reduces stamina costs by 21% and increases stamina recovery by 28%. That's far superior to Constitution. Sounds like you just hate heavy because it makes your ganking harder; you want everyone squishy for more free kills. Imo learn to fight people. But here's a newsflash, the reason everyone is rolling tanky chars these days is because -- wait for it -- trash stamblade proc set gankers. Either you tank it up or you end up a free kill for some garbage stamblade ganker.
ROLF, now medium armor is in good shape according to you? hahah. Dich heavy armor for a couple of days and come here to tell me how it compares to heavy in terms of sustain/mitigation/healing. Recovery builds are not even close to be superior to builds with constitution+redguard passive+dark deal/dk passives/etc. The sustain on heavy armor is way superior to medium in all classes (maybe except stamplar).Edited by ManDraKE on January 25, 2017 3:33PM2