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Katahdin

It's an ambush. The target was caught by surprise and/or their sheilds were down. There should be a penalty for that. I can agree that perhaps the stun/lock time is too long. So let's reduce all stun/lock, not just from stealth.
If the target is in active combat then probably no stun/lock at all. But someone just sitting on their horse should have stun.

Etaniel

Katahdin wrote: »

It's an ambush. The target was caught by surprise and/or their sheilds were down. There should be a penalty for that. I can agree that perhaps the cc time us too long. So let's reduce all cc, not just cc from stealth.

The fact that his shields are down isn't punishment enough? The fact that you can time your buffs and attack freely and prepare for the fight while your target has no clue what's coming isn't enough of an advantage?

With that logic, should we give bonus damage to someone who reveals a sneaking player? because he was caught sneaking and therefore should get a penalty?

Katahdin

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

I don't agree with your logic. It isnt the same situation at all. The sneaking player is aware. That is why they are sneaking in the first place. Unless of course they are stupid enough to be afk, in which case they are and deserve to be dead anyway.

Etaniel

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

Mojomonkeyman

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

So you agree, that everytime I happen to reveal a stealthed player I should get the same bonus perks for catching the failed assassin offguard?

Katahdin

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

So you agree, that everytime I happen to reveal a stealthed player I should get the same bonus perks for catching the failed assassin offguard?

No. See the edit to my last post.

Sorry guys but I won't agree that a stealthed player should have no advantage at all on an ambush move regardless of class on a player caught unprepared.

As I state above, I can agree that if a player is in active combat, the penalty of should not apply.

Katahdin

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree. I repeat myself because you seem not able to accept that I don't agree.

Etaniel

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

rfennell_ESO

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed already ?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

It probably has a bit to do with nightblades lacking a lot of the amenities of other classes.

No shields, no major healing, no good class defensive abilities. The only thing nightblades have is bonus damage from stealth and dark cloak.

Etaniel

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed already ?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

It probably has a bit to do with nightblades lacking a lot of the amenities of other classes.

No shields, no major healing, no good class defensive abilities. The only thing nightblades have is bonus damage from stealth and dark cloak.

Once again, we aren't talking about nightblades, so I don't see what nightblade defensive abilities have to do with this. I'm fine with cloak personnaly, but I'd love to see stealth tweaked.

KisoValley

Whoever this guy is arguing that stealth deserves and advantage over unstealthed players is making me smh irl. May as well make cyro full of NBs and nothing else, seeing as NB as a class has a CLEAR advantage over other classes for stealth gameplay.

Can't wait for the day proc sets get gutted and all these NBs defending the broken mechanic that is stealth start crying on these forums about how they can't kill anyone anymore lmao.

Katahdin

KisoValley wrote: »

Whoever this guy is arguing that stealth deserves and advantage over unstealthed players is making me smh irl. May as well make cyro full of NBs and nothing else, seeing as NB as a class has a CLEAR advantage over other classes for stealth gameplay.

Can't wait for the day proc sets get gutted and all these NBs defending the broken mechanic that is stealth start crying on these forums about how they can't kill anyone anymore lmao.

And every other class CLEARLY has other multiple advantages over nightblade AND they have the stealth bonus besides.

I can agree that the proc sets need to go but ZoS has said they like the mechanics so it probably won't happen.. So far I have not used one proc set at all but getting killed by them all the time is making me lean toward using them because it's the meta now.

Either that or switch to a destro ult one button win character.

Katahdin

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

I'm not going to continue this circular arguement with you trying to corral me into saying what you want to hear.

I have stated my position and that is where it stands right now. However, I will try to keep an open mind because I acknowledge that I am still working out how to play NB in PvP. As I continue to learn and hopefully get better, I may change my opinion later.

LeifErickson

Nightblades have the highest class regen, have the opportunity to be the most unhittable, and contain the highest burst damage. They also get to play on their own terms. No class, not even magicka dragonknight can lock down a nightblade. This allows them to fight out of stealth just as well as other classes, they just do it differently.

Yiko

Etaniel wrote: »

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

We've been arguing with brick walls in this thread.

He was unprepared (unshielded?) against an invisible player, so the target should be punished.

This player fundamentally will not submit that getting the first strike from invisibility is enough of an advantage in and of itself. Also, his argument completely fails to address people who don't use shields.

Other people pointing out that they sometimes need to group with a few other gankers.. Someone else in the thread called it "Duck Hunt," and I thought that was rather appropriate. These people are crutching on antiquated stealth mechanics and sheer numbers to forego having any chance of actually having some kind of resistance. They don't want any amount of counterplay. Those are the type of players defending stealth mechanics. They're some combination of selfish, bad, casual, and balance-averse.

They say "run more health" or "run magelight" while we have to ask why the % damage modifier, crit, and stun SHOULD exist in the first place in regards to balance, while pointing out that running more health isn't counterplay (it's a counter) and doing such simultaneously destroys the competitive viability of some builds simply to avoid being completely invalidated in 1 second by invisible players.
Have you seen Blob's new 2H ult stealth gank build? Yeah, it's harder to pull off than your standard bow gank, but is difficulty in set-up (and I'm not saying that it is actually difficult) still really enough to validate 1s stealth kills on 1 ability for 30k+ damage?

People continue to post their awful arguments in this thread without actually reading the rest of it. Every 2-3 pages, the same things have to be said.

Katahdin

LeifErickson wrote: »

Nightblades have the highest class regen, have the opportunity to be the most unhittable, and contain the highest burst damage. They also get to play on their own terms. No class, not even magicka dragonknight can lock down a nightblade. This allows them to fight out of stealth just as well as other classes, they just do it differently.

You must be talking about magblades (?).

I had a frost staff user perma lock me last night. Didn't see in time to dodge and couldn't break it.

LeifErickson

Katahdin wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Nightblades have the highest class regen, have the opportunity to be the most unhittable, and contain the highest burst damage. They also get to play on their own terms. No class, not even magicka dragonknight can lock down a nightblade. This allows them to fight out of stealth just as well as other classes, they just do it differently.

You must be talking about magblades (?).

I had a frost staff user perma lock me last night. Didn't see in time to dodge and couldn't break it.

Nope, was talking about stamblades.

Wollust

Katahdin wrote: »

@Etaniel and @Wollust

Aa I stated, I a knowledge that I am learning and it's a work in progress.

I get it, you dont like the play style and want it eliminated.

The other thing I am going to say is that if stealth bonus damage is removed, cloak time should be doubled and all means of detect should also be removed..

I also stand by my other statements. You want NB nerfed to oblivion then nerf all the other things I mentioned for all the other classes too.

Not saying it should be ezpz. As it is now, it's not an easy win button as some here claim. I feel it takes the more skill than almost any other play style out there. It takes a very specific build, and it takes, situational awareness, exact positioning and timing as well as skill rotation and patience. It takes a ton more skill than running around in a zerg all the time spamming desto alt with one button or proc sets where you don't have to hit a button at all. Those are ezpz easy win.

So I guess we should all just join the zerg, roll templar or hear MDK and run the exact same proc builds and all run destro alt and let RNG and whomever fires the most off first win.

That sure would make PvP dynamic and interesting.......


NOT

Fun fact: I'm a stamblade, why would I want it nerfed to oblivion? Asking for balance has to include your own class and playstyle as well. Otherwise we might as well just give up completely on that matter.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Look all I know is I should be able to one shot everyone without them knowing it cause this is the way zos designed it so dang it take it like a man

olsborg

This addon is being discontinued after feb 6th right?

Minalan

olsborg wrote: »

This addon is being discontinued after feb 6th right?

ZOS disabled it on their back end.

You can still use it, but it won't do anything.

Etaniel

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

I'm not going to continue this circular arguement with you trying to corral me into saying what you want to hear.

I have stated my position and that is where it stands right now. However, I will try to keep an open mind because I acknowledge that I am still working out how to play NB in PvP. As I continue to learn and hopefully get better, I may change my opinion later.

If you aren't willing to discuss, using arguments, and responding to opposing arguments instead of just dismissing them, then I'm sorry but you have no say in any balancing discussion. Period.

Katahdin

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage.

You are just repeating yourself. The advantage is already there, you said it : the guy is unprepared ! Not being prepared is already a disadvantage, what do you not understand about that?

I understand your point, I simply do not and will not agree.

So you do acknowledge that the stealthed player already has an advantage just by being stealthed?

Also to further debunk your logic, you said "It's called having situational awareness. If you're stupid enough to just be sitting there, not in combat and are too lazy to put your shields on then yes, a prepared player should have an advantage."

so therefore, a player who stacks his shields, and keeps his buffs up because he knows a stealther is around should not take bonus damage then? If he has situational awareness, why does the nightblade deserve bonus damage and stun?

I'm not going to continue this circular arguement with you trying to corral me into saying what you want to hear.

I have stated my position and that is where it stands right now. However, I will try to keep an open mind because I acknowledge that I am still working out how to play NB in PvP. As I continue to learn and hopefully get better, I may change my opinion later.

If you aren't willing to discuss, using arguments, and responding to opposing arguments instead of just dismissing them, then I'm sorry but you have no say in any balancing discussion. Period.

I have answered all your points, you just don't like the answer. I understand your points. I just don't agree at this time and I don't have time to chase circular arguments all day long. I'd rather spend my evening playing the game and theory crafting my NB PvP build instead of playing forum wars.

Setting class aside
No I dont agree with removing stun from a stealth attack unless the player is actively in combat it has his defensive skill active

Yes I feel that someone standing around with their thumb up their keister should have extra punishment for it

No I dont agree a bonus should be given to just discovering a player from stealth except perhaps as a benefit with mage light being active, not just slotted

Just to be clear, no one likes being stun locked in place, not even me. You want to remove stun/lock from the NB ambush skill. You want real balance then remove stun/lock from every other skill that every other class or weapon has. If one can't have it then no one should have it. No talons, no ice staff freezing in place. That's the only way I'll agree to that.

Furthermore, you don't decide who can and can't comment, ZoS does. Until they ban my forum account, I have just as much right to discuss anything on this forum as anyone. There is no rule saying I have to agree with you to participate.

Period

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Nvm guys I found out a way to get rid of Miats add on.
Gl

Katahdin

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Look all I know is I should be able to one shot everyone without them knowing it cause this is the way zos designed it so dang it take it like a man

I'm not Advocating for being able to one shot people.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Katahdin wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Look all I know is I should be able to one shot everyone without them knowing it cause this is the way zos designed it so dang it take it like a man

I'm not Advocating for being able to one shot people.

Hook line sinker

joe.smith21b14_ESO

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Nvm guys I found out a way to get rid of Miats add on.
Gl

I made a add on to counter this add on if y'all were wondering

Katahdin

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Nvm guys I found out a way to get rid of Miats add on.
Gl

I made a add on to counter this add on if y'all were wondering

*Where's that troll icon*

Katahdin

Wollust wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

@Etaniel and @Wollust

Aa I stated, I a knowledge that I am learning and it's a work in progress.

I get it, you dont like the play style and want it eliminated.

The other thing I am going to say is that if stealth bonus damage is removed, cloak time should be doubled and all means of detect should also be removed..

I also stand by my other statements. You want NB nerfed to oblivion then nerf all the other things I mentioned for all the other classes too.

Not saying it should be ezpz. As it is now, it's not an easy win button as some here claim. I feel it takes the more skill than almost any other play style out there. It takes a very specific build, and it takes, situational awareness, exact positioning and timing as well as skill rotation and patience. It takes a ton more skill than running around in a zerg all the time spamming desto alt with one button or proc sets where you don't have to hit a button at all. Those are ezpz easy win.

So I guess we should all just join the zerg, roll templar or hear MDK and run the exact same proc builds and all run destro alt and let RNG and whomever fires the most off first win.

That sure would make PvP dynamic and interesting.......


NOT

Fun fact: I'm a stamblade, why would I want it nerfed to oblivion? Asking for balance has to include your own class and playstyle as well. Otherwise we might as well just give up completely on that matter.

So do you have any advice to offer besides "Lol L2P GitGud scrub" ?

joe.smith21b14_ESO

Katahdin wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

joe.smith21b14_ESO wrote: »

Nvm guys I found out a way to get rid of Miats add on.
Gl

I made a add on to counter this add on if y'all were wondering

*Where's that troll icon*

For realzies bruh