[Permabans being lifted] ZOS how are we as a community dealing with exploits/hacking?

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clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom update?

are you looking for the update she gave here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269521/statement-about-cheating-prevention-is-missing/p1

well, it wasn't really an update, it was more like "i've added a little bit of information and repeated myself. here you go".

or did she say anything else?

clayandaudrey_ESO

Wow that is underwhelming.

Rohamad_Ali

Wasting our time here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xp7svl4l5Dk

Pomaikai

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom update?

are you looking for the update she gave here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269521/statement-about-cheating-prevention-is-missing/p1

well, it wasn't really an update, it was more like "i've added a little bit of information and repeated myself. here you go".

or did she say anything else?

She said neither jack, nor squat.

Zheg

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Zheg wrote: »

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

We're not finished with our efforts to keep cheaters out of ESO by any means - if anything, the round of bannings you all saw was just the beginning of a multi-faceted effort. Some of it you'll see, some of it you won't (beyond cheaters getting banned.) There's a good possibility we'll quietly roll out what we're working on so that those still using cheat programs aren't tipped off and we catch them in the act.

sirinsidiator

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

We're not finished with our efforts to keep cheaters out of ESO by any means - if anything, the round of bannings you all saw was just the beginning of a multi-faceted effort. Some of it you'll see, some of it you won't (beyond cheaters getting banned.) There's a good possibility we'll quietly roll out what we're working on so that those still using cheat programs aren't tipped off and we catch them in the act.

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

Turelus

sirinsidiator wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

We're not finished with our efforts to keep cheaters out of ESO by any means - if anything, the round of bannings you all saw was just the beginning of a multi-faceted effort. Some of it you'll see, some of it you won't (beyond cheaters getting banned.) There's a good possibility we'll quietly roll out what we're working on so that those still using cheat programs aren't tipped off and we catch them in the act.

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

QFT.

Even something quarterly would be nice to see. I'm sure ZOS must understand at this point how your silence on the issues doesn't match up with what many in the MMO community expect.

Sure different companies do things in different ways, and we're not asking for how you do it, just updates that you are doing it and what the effects have been.

Zheg

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

We're not finished with our efforts to keep cheaters out of ESO by any means - if anything, the round of bannings you all saw was just the beginning of a multi-faceted effort. Some of it you'll see, some of it you won't (beyond cheaters getting banned.) There's a good possibility we'll quietly roll out what we're working on so that those still using cheat programs aren't tipped off and we catch them in the act.

You can demonstrate your results and capacity without giving away your tactics. Someone posted a video of the speed hack still functioning (among other CE features) early last week. Players have no idea whether you're even capable of detecting small usage of CE, and as such there can be little confidence that opponents aren't still using it. This has led to both toxic (and probably at times accurate) fingerpointing and a questioning of nearly every fight. When you couple the CE possibilities with lag and (still!) unfixed bugs, you can never be sure if your opponent was using CE, or if you just hit a lag spike or health desync. Who wants to play like that?

We don't know if your permabans are actual things because we don't know who you banned and whether they were allowed to come back or not. As such, for anyone that may be back, we cannot monitor them for suspicious behavior because you won't say who they were. It's the equivalent of the guy in HS that said he slept with 43 girls but won't actually give names.

Sorry Jessica, but you guys aren't exactly starting from a place of established trust with your playerbase, you've fumbled on exploiters since launch so it's hard to be reassured by vague details this late in the game. I was hopeful and excited when I saw your initial response, but disappointed and jaded when it fizzled back to the normal ZOS communication and policy. Please remember that you're trying to convince a playerbase that dealt with b****** the sorc and his unbreakable shields for 2 years that you're now being firm on exploiting.

Rune_Relic

sirinsidiator wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

We're not finished with our efforts to keep cheaters out of ESO by any means - if anything, the round of bannings you all saw was just the beginning of a multi-faceted effort. Some of it you'll see, some of it you won't (beyond cheaters getting banned.) There's a good possibility we'll quietly roll out what we're working on so that those still using cheat programs aren't tipped off and we catch them in the act.

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

Whats the point if it will be Smoke & Mirrors and rigged to inspire confidence ?

With my right hand I have the ban hammer.
With my left hand I have the olive branch.
Which is more powerful ?

If everyone banned is reinstated 3 days later........clearly ban hammer news is moot.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

ManDraKE

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

The wall of shame. And do daily raffles with their items lol

Rohamad_Ali

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Yes please ! I'm running out of therapy squeeze toys staying away from Cyrodiil so long

yodased

I will post in every thread until we get a solid handle on things.

Esocheaters.com bookmark it and use it

Turelus

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Works for me! I really do hope we see something from this.

Also would it be possible to have the Dev and Support teams who handle these matters feature on ESO Live some time? They're one the groups of people who do a lot of work behind the scenes but never really have the recognition.

I'm sure you have seen the CCP Games security talks I link on the forums constantly by now (at least the links maybe not watched them). I would really love to see something like that from the staff at ZOS to help mend the wounds caused by the cheating and silence the last two years.

ManDraKE wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

The wall of shame. And do daily raffles with their items lol

Nope. Banned items stay banned and sit on accounts to rot, RMT gold removed from players either deleted or moved to an account/character held by ZOS to keep track of how much has been caught (can also be something the security team can show off).

Whilst everyone loves free stuff we shouldn't be encouraging people to exploit/cheat in hopes their ill gotten gains are then given out to us.

DDuke

ManDraKE wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

The wall of shame. And do daily raffles with their items lol

This is the best idea I've ever seen on these forums.

HeroOfNone

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Please do, this will give a little more transparency toward the issues being handled. Thank you.

rfennell_ESO

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Call it "Twitch Streamers Exposed"

sirinsidiator

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

I won't stop you

Cuyler

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

I really hope they are receptive of the idea, as it would go a long way to reassure to cheaters there are in fact consequences to their actions.

Names legit too 8)

ginoboehm

DDuke wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

The wall of shame. And do daily raffles with their items lol

This is the best idea I've ever seen on these forums.

and it would encourage reporting since you increase the chance to get gear

XANTITHESISX

I like:

http://esocheaters.com/

AnnieBeGood

CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY??? Oh good idea Jessica

yodased

XANTITHESISX wrote: »

I like:

http://esocheaters.com/

I do too, sorry its not fully functional yet. #soon

Immortal_Dark410

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Is this going to be like vet levels 2.0 where ZOS looks to the side and whistles pretending nothing is wrong for a year and a half until their playerbase becomes anemic and they're forced to act?

We're not finished with our efforts to keep cheaters out of ESO by any means - if anything, the round of bannings you all saw was just the beginning of a multi-faceted effort. Some of it you'll see, some of it you won't (beyond cheaters getting banned.) There's a good possibility we'll quietly roll out what we're working on so that those still using cheat programs aren't tipped off and we catch them in the act.

just out of curiosity, Individuals using "Add on's" would they be considered under the title of using "Cheat Programs"?

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Sounds like a thread or part of the forum id check out lol

phreatophile

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Names should be named in a thread by developers.

I understand not permitting forum users to name and shame because of presumed innocence. We don't want someone's @name posted all over with a false accusation. I don't believe this should extend to video, as in libel law, truth is an absolute defense. Video evidence of cheating speaks for itself.

If the developers are going to post a "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY", it would be better as a "WALL OF SHAME". I'd like to see post after post that look like:

@filthycheater was banned for hacking

@xxxploitrrr was suspended for 3 days for writs exploit usage

with an occaisional

@misunderstood was reinstated on appeal for "reasons"

InvitationNotFound

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

just out of curiosity, Individuals using "Add on's" would they be considered under the title of using "Cheat Programs"?

what did i just read here?

ZOS provides an API for add-ons. go and take a look at it and see what you can do with it. why for f*** sake should this have anything to do with cheating... *sighs*

ManDraKE

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

just out of curiosity, Individuals using "Add on's" would they be considered under the title of using "Cheat Programs"?

what did i just read here?

ZOS provides an API for add-ons. go and take a look at it and see what you can do with it. why for f*** sake should this have anything to do with cheating... *sighs*

wait till people start reporting for use of "animation canceling"

InvitationNotFound

ManDraKE wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

just out of curiosity, Individuals using "Add on's" would they be considered under the title of using "Cheat Programs"?

what did i just read here?

ZOS provides an API for add-ons. go and take a look at it and see what you can do with it. why for f*** sake should this have anything to do with cheating... *sighs*

wait till people start reporting for use of "animation canceling"

well, this depends on your definition of exploiting and cheating.

I mean i know that the Wrobler said it is a feature and it is here to stay. (but technically it is a bug and therefore abusing the bug could be considered exploiting. but i guess ZOS will keep their stance regarding animation canceling). the more interesting part in this whole story is why people are accepting this Wrobler statement but complain and make fun of him as soon as he talks about anything else. (and no, this isn't a thread about animation canceling, neither did i express any personal opinion about animation canceling. so please don't comment further on animation canceling:P)

SolarCat02

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

sirinsidiator wrote: »

How about you make a thread then where you post every month how many cheaters and exploiters you have caught in the past month? You could also add some other numbers like how many bans of each type you handed out or how many exploits have been fixed for example. That way people can see that something is being done about it.

That's seems pretty reasonable and doable. We'll talk with our Dev and Support teams about it.

Can I called it "CHEATER BANNORATED TALLY"?

Yes! This would go a long way.

If you are transparent about the fact that you are doing things, and transparent about the fact that punishments are handed out for cheating, that will accomplish a LOT.

We don't need to know details of the fixes. That would only help people find new ways around them.

But it would help morale, not to mention showing that there ARE consequences for cheating, which means less people will do it.