[Permabans being lifted] ZOS how are we as a community dealing with exploits/hacking?

AnnieBeGood

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

cpuScientist

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

Just bam. You cheat you leave. Blizzard is not gonna bother protecting them. See this is what we want to hear. That and the lag is due to you cheat prevention but it's not working lol

ИВАН_ВОДКА

i feels like garbage

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

My guess is that they're not able to reproduce it, and need more videos.

Tavore1138

[This post has been removed for spam.

Sooner or later if this is not solved and cheats continue to prosper then we will start going away for good and taking our money with us, bugs are one thing... turning a blind eye to rampant cheating is another.

Or... maybe just announce cheat engine as an official addon and may victory got to the best cheater... at least kevel the playing field so we can all cheat together...

Ch4mpTW

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

Arthg

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

How do you know?

Zaldan

umm no moderation as yet but i'd say we're due for some any sec now

Ch4mpTW

arth-grogalith wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

How do you know?

@arth-grogalith 2 or 3 of my threads got shut down within 24hrs., including a harmless thread that I made that spoke lightly of the situation in lorebook form. It was made to ease the tensions, and give something for people to chuckle at. And it appeared be liked strongly by those who read it, but nonetheless was merked by the staff here. They burned my book, and forbid me to make anymore of them. I'll post you a link to it at the bottom of this post.

As for the later claim of my statement, I got punished heavily (forum-wise) for something petty. It was really because I was being too outspoken against ZOS I believe. I think it's against the forum rules to go into detail about actions taken against you by staff, so I can't get into it unfortunately. As I don't wanna be served with yet another warning or form of punishment.

Thread (burned book) for Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268270/esos-lore-the-great-hack-war-book-i

Thornen

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

arth-grogalith wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

How do you know?

@arth-grogalith 2 or 3 of my threads got shut down within 24hrs., including a harmless thread that I made that spoke lightly of the situation in lorebook form. It was made to ease the tensions, and give something for people to chuckle at. And it appeared be liked strongly by those who read it, but nonetheless was merked by the staff here. They burned my book, and forbid me to make anymore of them. I'll post you a link to it at the bottom of this post.

As for the later claim of my statement, I got punished heavily (forum-wise) for something petty. It was really because I was being too outspoken against ZOS I believe. I think it's against the forum rules to go into detail about actions taken against you by staff, so I can't get into it unfortunately. As I don't wanna be served with yet another warning or form of punishment.

Thread (burned book) for Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268270/esos-lore-the-great-hack-war-book-i

It's easier to bury a topic when its consolidated in one thread...

Ch4mpTW

Thornen wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

arth-grogalith wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

How do you know?

@arth-grogalith 2 or 3 of my threads got shut down within 24hrs., including a harmless thread that I made that spoke lightly of the situation in lorebook form. It was made to ease the tensions, and give something for people to chuckle at. And it appeared be liked strongly by those who read it, but nonetheless was merked by the staff here. They burned my book, and forbid me to make anymore of them. I'll post you a link to it at the bottom of this post.

As for the later claim of my statement, I got punished heavily (forum-wise) for something petty. It was really because I was being too outspoken against ZOS I believe. I think it's against the forum rules to go into detail about actions taken against you by staff, so I can't get into it unfortunately. As I don't wanna be served with yet another warning or form of punishment.

Thread (burned book) for Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268270/esos-lore-the-great-hack-war-book-i

It's easier to bury a topic when its consolidated in one thread...

My lorebook be like:

Nifty2g

Thornen wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

arth-grogalith wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

How do you know?

@arth-grogalith 2 or 3 of my threads got shut down within 24hrs., including a harmless thread that I made that spoke lightly of the situation in lorebook form. It was made to ease the tensions, and give something for people to chuckle at. And it appeared be liked strongly by those who read it, but nonetheless was merked by the staff here. They burned my book, and forbid me to make anymore of them. I'll post you a link to it at the bottom of this post.

As for the later claim of my statement, I got punished heavily (forum-wise) for something petty. It was really because I was being too outspoken against ZOS I believe. I think it's against the forum rules to go into detail about actions taken against you by staff, so I can't get into it unfortunately. As I don't wanna be served with yet another warning or form of punishment.

Thread (burned book) for Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268270/esos-lore-the-great-hack-war-book-i

It's easier to bury a topic when its consolidated in one thread...

There is almost 25 pages on this topic and is constantly on the front page since I made it, I don't think it's getting buried anytime soon unless they release that statement. The OP says why

So to you ZOS, I hope you are doing the right thing, but if this continues to get out of hand, your community is going to lose it's faith and turn against you.

bunnytrix

I'll say what I said in another thread. Jessica's post is just damage control to quell the uproar on the forum. Those numbers of cheaters banned. Haha I don't believe it for a second. The cheating is still rampant and ZOS are doing nothing as usual.
Closing and locking threads, sweeping it under the rug, hoping silence for a week will somehow make the problem go away.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Where is the "We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow" that you promised 5 days ago ?

Arthg

@Ch4mpTW

Thanks.

This truly saddens me.

How can ZOS treat their customers like that, I wonder.
Looks like PVP is nothing but a grind zone for PVEers to get their Vigor/Proxi Detonation.
Leaderboards, same, but for Maelstrom weapons.
Their business model must be based on constantly attracting new players, not keeping old ones faithful to them.

If they don't communicate very soon, I'll unsub.
My desire to go in PVP areas has already waned significantly.

I've got doubts, now.
No more real will to improve.

I'll wait and see for the moment, but for how long...

Arthg

Follow-up statement is here, apparently: link

edit: link to proper announcement

RazielSR

Today Ive been killed in top of a wall by a guy that arrived to me with a lotus fan attack hitting me by 17k.

Ch4mpTW

arth-grogalith wrote: »

Follow-up statement is here, apparently: link

edit: link to proper announcement

Lol. Here. I'll post the actual quote:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

As those of you in this thread know, over this past weekend we saw an influx in players using third-party software tools to cheat in ESO and reports about this behavior. We posted yesterday that we’ve adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems in response, and have taken action against every account we’ve found cheating, including permanent bans for 43 accounts with more are under investigation.

Our actions this weekend were part of a larger ongoing effort to remove cheaters from ESO. With today's patch, we included some server-side adjustments to address the cheat behavior, and will continue to monitor and action against those players who are caught cheating.

Once again, we want to thank everyone who helped us identify the players who were using cheats.

What that actually answers in specific, I have no idea. Except for maybe a number of accounts that were possibly permanently banned.

Manpoints

Guys, the best message you send is with your wallet, I've not paid for sub since it went free to play, and the last thing I bothered purchasing was IC and Wrothgar (definitely not worth it). Dont buy DB until this has been correctly solved, dont allow yourself to be manipulated and 'managed' by some PR people who will pour honey for no other cause than your money. The '24 hour turnaround' on banker exploit, the double mundus - so many examples for why you should be a critical thinker about anything tossed up here in green text.

Its a service guys, your credit card has all the power.

Bluepitbull13

Manpoints

Everything is awesome - everything is cool when you're part of a team, everything is awesome - and Im bumping this stream.

Tavore1138

Meteor showers, gap closer exploits and other stuff still happening.

Word from the NA server is that most bans were dropped and word from EU is that cheats are going up.

Still no clear response from ZOS on any of this stuff except to claim they can say nothing...

Still no promised reset of the abused leader boards...

A more suspicious person might think that ZOS intended to do sweet FA because the cheaters are VIPs...

Getting tough to even go in to PvP knowing that you can get ultimate spammed with ZOS just ignoring the root cause...

Gamerscape2007

Sorry, Zos. You're not sweeping this under the rug with this one.

KramUzibra

Tavore1138 wrote: »

[This post has been removed for spam.

Sooner or later if this is not solved and cheats continue to prosper then we will start going away for good and taking our money with us, bugs are one thing... turning a blind eye to rampant cheating is another.

Or... maybe just announce cheat engine as an official addon and may victory got to the best cheater... at least kevel the playing field so we can all cheat together...

Exploitation is not cheating.

KramUzibra

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

arth-grogalith wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

Just putting this here

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/blizzard-bans-overwatch-cheaters/

What do you know, Blizzard is on top their business and chewing up cheaters/exploiters/hackers/etc. and spitting them out yet again... And Blizzard isn't even afraid in the slightest to let the public know their feelings toward them, and posts numbers to back-up their claims toward dislike cheaters...

But let enough threads pop-up about complaints of malicious cheaters and hackers ruining the game... Admins and mods will swarm you and shut your threads for supposedly "naming-n'-shaming", all while serving you with warnings for breaking the community's rules... Even suspending forum accounts for it, if you provoke them enough. Please ask me how I know. Seriously. Ask me how I know...

I feel really appreciated and valued as a customer by Zenimax, and especially their forum staff... I really feel welcomed here...

How do you know?

@arth-grogalith 2 or 3 of my threads got shut down within 24hrs., including a harmless thread that I made that spoke lightly of the situation in lorebook form. It was made to ease the tensions, and give something for people to chuckle at. And it appeared be liked strongly by those who read it, but nonetheless was merked by the staff here. They burned my book, and forbid me to make anymore of them. I'll post you a link to it at the bottom of this post.

As for the later claim of my statement, I got punished heavily (forum-wise) for something petty. It was really because I was being too outspoken against ZOS I believe. I think it's against the forum rules to go into detail about actions taken against you by staff, so I can't get into it unfortunately. As I don't wanna be served with yet another warning or form of punishment.

Thread (burned book) for Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268270/esos-lore-the-great-hack-war-book-i

Shhhh don't talk about disciplinary actions you might get your comment deleted.

KramUzibra

arth-grogalith wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW

Thanks.

This truly saddens me.

How can ZOS treat their customers like that, I wonder.
Looks like PVP is nothing but a grind zone for PVEers to get their Vigor/Proxi Detonation.
Leaderboards, same, but for Maelstrom weapons.
Their business model must be based on constantly attracting new players, not keeping old ones faithful to them.

If they don't communicate very soon, I'll unsub.
My desire to go in PVP areas has already waned significantly.

I've got doubts, now.
No more real will to improve.

I'll wait and see for the moment, but for how long...

With the exclusion of certain mods I would say zos does a rather great job with customers. I love this game and when presented with a player utilizingand exploit I adapt and overcome or die trying. It is thoroughly enjoyable.

ИВАН_ВОДКА

again and again i read how newbish people blame some1 for exploiting poor code of ZOS, allowing them to jump onto keeps, or boosting AP, or banker exploit, or infinite heavy sack spawns, or other things based on pure bugs, presented in the game SINCE LAUNCH


ENOUGH this ***! you need to realize the only one who need judge here is ZOS, and their code, with many bugs, grows with every DLC!
and luck of attention of bugreports
thats all

Rohamad_Ali

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

again and again i read how newbish people blame some1 for exploiting poor code of ZOS, allowing them to jump onto keeps, or boosting AP, or banker exploit, or infinite heavy sack spawns, or other things based on pure bugs, presented in the game SINCE LAUNCH


ENOUGH this ***! you need to realize the only one who need judge here is ZOS, and their code, with many bugs, grows with every DLC!
and luck of attention of bugreports
thats all

Real life has many "exploitable zones" . We have laws like , no smoking , no guns here or no drugs . When people break those do we blame the law ? No we blame the one breaking the law . How does this concept elude people ?

KramUzibra

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

again and again i read how newbish people blame some1 for exploiting poor code of ZOS, allowing them to jump onto keeps, or boosting AP, or banker exploit, or infinite heavy sack spawns, or other things based on pure bugs, presented in the game SINCE LAUNCH


ENOUGH this ***! you need to realize the only one who need judge here is ZOS, and their code, with many bugs, grows with every DLC!
and luck of attention of bugreports
thats all

Real life has many "exploitable zones" . We have laws like , no smoking , no guns here or no drugs . When people break those do we blame the law ? No we blame the one breaking the law . How does this concept elude people ?

Please tell me what law within Zenimax do u break when targeting an enemy on top of the keep and executing your move?? Don't worry I'll wait.

Rohamad_Ali

KramUzibra wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

again and again i read how newbish people blame some1 for exploiting poor code of ZOS, allowing them to jump onto keeps, or boosting AP, or banker exploit, or infinite heavy sack spawns, or other things based on pure bugs, presented in the game SINCE LAUNCH


ENOUGH this ***! you need to realize the only one who need judge here is ZOS, and their code, with many bugs, grows with every DLC!
and luck of attention of bugreports
thats all

Real life has many "exploitable zones" . We have laws like , no smoking , no guns here or no drugs . When people break those do we blame the law ? No we blame the one breaking the law . How does this concept elude people ?

Please tell me what law within Zenimax do u break when targeting an enemy on top of the keep and executing your move?? Don't worry I'll wait.

That's a broken mechanic . The rules state in the TOS no exploiting broken mechanics . Was that a long wait ?

Rohamad_Ali

Brian Wheeler , in multiple discussions in the past , has stated that bypassing the walls was not intended by the Devs . They've had to change things several times to attempt to fix this . Moving NPCs , changing DK abilities like the chain and dragon leap . All in an attempt to stop unintended exploitation .

It's like adding metal detectors to public airports , drug sniffing dogs at the luggage . Just because new measures don't always stop the criminals , doesn't mean the rules went out the window and everyone should start a crime spree to show law enforcement they're methods aren't working ...

Am I getting through at all ?