[Permabans being lifted] ZOS how are we as a community dealing with exploits/hacking?

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  • ИВАН_ВОДКА
    any really official news?
  • Bluepitbull13
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    any really official news?

    Wondering the same, supposedly there was going to be an official statement right?
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  • Bluepitbull13
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    ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »
    To reiterate:

    any update?
    Edited by Bluepitbull13 on June 1, 2016 7:23PM
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  • SwaminoNowlino
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    XaXa wrote: »

    Now I agree with you on this 100%.

    ZOS needs to make it 100% clear that there is 0 tolerance for this.

    Especially after reading the crown post (thanks for sharing that btw) it is unacceptable for them to stick their fingers in their ears.

    We need a 0 tolerance policy for cheating / exploiting. A way to accurately, effectively and efficently enforce that policy. As well as a way to police the community without opening a way for griefers to submit false reports. (Has it ben 100% confirmed that was happening? Ive heard mixed news?)

    Sometimes the ends justify the means. Not saying that's the case here, but mainly because we have yet to see any "ends."

    The only way to effectively do this is to have game managers running around keeping an eye on things in an obvious fashion. I remember the old days on WoW there was a mod around every corner. Some of them were even quite delightful and would participate in jokes and such. Haven't played since Lich King, so don't know if that is still the practice or not over there. I do know I have never seen an official Z next to anyone's name on xbox despite seeing that message in load screens.

    Still wouldn't solve the VMA or VMoL cheaters, that's almost exclusively something ZOS will have to handle on the back end. But it would be much more comforting if they continued to remind people that they look at such things and actions will continue to be taken. All folks learned from this last go around is that cheating is possible, and as long as you aren't blatant about it you are likely safe.
    Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden

    "We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of combat to feel awesome." - The Balance Lord Wrobel
    - And now it sure does, better learn how to bash folks!

    I get by with a little help from logic.
  • XaXa
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    I suppose your right. And i think people with the [Z] next to their name are a myth.
    Edited by XaXa on June 1, 2016 9:55PM
  • yumyum
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    ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »
    To reiterate:

    Nothing like breaking rule number 3 ( never post / say what you are doing to stop the cheats ) nothing like giving them a heads up you have update the methods you are using to detect them.
  • Llilium
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    So, exactly why are we protecting against naming and shaming for hacking and exploiting? there is zero respect for the losers that not only destroy this community but destroy your game, your developer's integrity, your customer's faith, etc etc, why wouldn't you hang them out to dry? are you afraid that we'll see them out and about in world because you've done nothing about them? because i can certainly see why that would be a problem for you.
  • hamgatan
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    Llilium wrote: »
    So, exactly why are we protecting against naming and shaming for hacking and exploiting? there is zero respect for the losers that not only destroy this community but destroy your game, your developer's integrity, your customer's faith, etc etc, why wouldn't you hang them out to dry? are you afraid that we'll see them out and about in world because you've done nothing about them? because i can certainly see why that would be a problem for you.

    because Libel and Defamation....

    ..... and "ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat"
    Edited by hamgatan on June 2, 2016 2:57AM
    PC / NA - 1800 CP
    Spoiler

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    Spoiler
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • cpuScientist
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    So still no official statement. Sweeping it under the rug again are we?
  • Vifen
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    Did they update their anticheat system yet?
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    Vifen Ah - 50 dk crafter
  • r.jan_emailb16_ESO
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    So still no official statement. Sweeping it under the rug again are we?

    Who knows? What I know is that people are still using it.

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom how is the official statement coming along?
    Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
    playing for eXile


    I'm done, CU somewhere else.
  • Aprodite
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    Rylana wrote: »
    What I find sadder than anything else is several of them have been unbanned now. Even a couple people I know for sure were right there with Zaz doing it.

    Sigh...

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/268172/shameful-metoer-cheats-from-a-top-ep-guild-na-trueflame#latest

    I copy/paste this

    Rip Aprodite - Sorcerer AD-Eur (it was fun untill patch 1.6, I became a tank. They gave me this strong shield to protect me. It became stronger if I stacked magicka. I never asked for this and now you expect from me to relearn my sorcerer again and spent my hardworking money on a broken game.. what do you think? Never forget 5-29-2016!) What a mess!
  • kevlarto_ESO
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    I have to say after a full day of pvp since the cheat engine was brought to light, and there were some bans, WOW what difference, I am amazed at how many people were cheating smart using the engine to give them just enough regen to appear tough but not over the top, and now they die just like all other average players, talk about people who will need to l2p since their cheats have been taken away. I am really disappointed that so many people stooped to such a low in a game. A lot of those so called good players, posting videos, and talking about their builds left out one important fact oh yea round out your build with, a thing called cheat engine. Glad this has been found out and hopefully removed.
    Edited by kevlarto_ESO on June 2, 2016 1:07PM
  • Letho2469
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    What about the promised info? 2 days off and still nothing?
    Trial Progression:
    vAA: Hardmode
    vHRC: Hardmode
    vSO: Hardmode
    vMoL: Hardmode + dro-m'Athra-Destroyer
    vHoF: Hardmode + Tick Tock Tormentor
    vAS: Hardmode + Immortal Redeemer
    vCR: Hardmode + Gryphon Heart
    vSS: Hardmode
  • Ashtaris
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    OK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, where is that official statement you mentioned a couple of days ago. Is it still forthcoming?
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Who knows what's going on over there ... 300 fires to put out from the patch , this hack poo and consoles to worry about too .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg
  • clayandaudrey_ESO
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    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom this is not going away. We would like the promised more information.
  • Arthg
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    Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.

    In addition, we're working on a number of fixes and improvements to prevent this kind of behavior from happening in ESO in the future. We'll provide more specific details about this tomorrow.

    We want to thank everyone who has helped us identify those who would ruin your game experience by cheating, and the means by which they were doing so.

    This message is dated May 30.
    Today is June 2.
    To the best of my knowledge, but I may be wrong, no "specific details" were provided.

    I think we all understand that nothing will happen overnight.
    But clearly ZOS track record on this subject is improvable.

    At least another message regarding the issue seems to be in order.

    PC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.
  • Elsonso
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    I suspect that she spoke out of turn when she said that there would be more information coming "tomorrow". She probably thought there would be, at the time she said it. I have to wonder if she got into trouble for stating how many had been banned.

    ESO Plus: No
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  • cpuScientist
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    LOL ZOS do you guys roleplay as Dark Brotherhood assassins. Becuase every time we have pressing issues and need answers you guys seem to choose the Remain-Silent option...
  • Ch4mpTW
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    Still no word as of yet...
  • SwaminoNowlino
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    No ETA
    Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden

    "We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of combat to feel awesome." - The Balance Lord Wrobel
    - And now it sure does, better learn how to bash folks!

    I get by with a little help from logic.
  • Letho2469
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    Thanks, @Tandor - everyone please remember to check the Dev Tracker. These forums are busy and threads move fast. We responded to several threads about this yesterday (and even more PMs), confirming that we are investigating this and those involved. Everyone who can work on this has been. We've had all hands on deck to get this handled, despite it being a holiday weekend. We'll have a more detailed update tomorrow.

    Still waiting for the "more detailed" update.
    Trial Progression:
    vAA: Hardmode
    vHRC: Hardmode
    vSO: Hardmode
    vMoL: Hardmode + dro-m'Athra-Destroyer
    vHoF: Hardmode + Tick Tock Tormentor
    vAS: Hardmode + Immortal Redeemer
    vCR: Hardmode + Gryphon Heart
    vSS: Hardmode
  • hamgatan
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    PC / NA - 1800 CP
    Spoiler

    PvE Tanks
    L50 Imperial DK (US/DC) "Rampant Rabbit"
    L50 Nord Necro (US/DC) "Skeletons In The Closet"
    L50 Nord Arcanist (US/EP) "Now Thats a Huge Witch"

    PvE Healers
    L50 Argonian MagPlar (US/EP) "Smothers-With-Pillows"
    L50 Breton MagWarden (US/EP) "Drunk-The-Koolaid"
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Never Goanna Heal You Up"

    PvE DPS
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit MagDK (US/EP) "Snowflake Crusher"
    L50 Dunmer Stam Arcanist PvE DPS (US/EP) "Sends-The-Trout"
    L50 Altmer MagSorc PvE DPS (US/DC) "Acirrum" - The vMA/vvH Potatoaky Sorc
    L50 Breton StamCro PvE DPS (US/DC) "Ivanna Fakakakis"
    L50 PvE DPS Argonian StamPlar (US/EP) "The Rusty Argonian Spade"
    L50 PvE DPS Khajit StamPlar (US/EP) "Critteh Kitteh"
    L50 Dunmer MagDK PvE DPS (US/DC) "Deep Fried Bin Chicken"

    Bank Skanks
    L20 Redguard StamBlade PvP Tank (US/AD) "Sneak Dogg"
    L40 Orc StamDen PvE DPS (US/EP) "Fugly Betty"

    PvP DPS
    L50 Orc StamSorc PvE DPS (US/AD) "Fraggle Proc"


    Xbox One / NA - 360 CP
    Spoiler
    L50 Altmer MagBlade (US/AD) "Cork Soaking"
    L10 Argonian Templar (US/EP) "Makes-Me-Moist"
    L10 Argonian MagDK (US/EP) "<Forced-Name-Change>"
    L27 Altmer MagSorc (US/EP) "Sorcie McSorcface"

    |GM - The Bin Chicken Alliance | Aussie Dragon Slayers | Aedra | The Skooma Emporium | The Bus | The Bounty Hunters Guild |
  • Brightxdawn
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    Nothing to see here move along..........NOT! What is being done about the hackroaches?
  • Stravokov
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    What is amusing is hackers don't invest money or time in a game, it is the legit players that do. Yet ZOS protects them...

    Not surprised really, I also don't think their DB dlc is doing very good. All of my active guild mates passed up on it (including myself) and most have stopped playing. All I see is rinse repeat with their dlcs with no new features or REAL content...

    That hole they are digging is getting deeper and deeper...
  • Letho2469
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    I don't expect much new content from DLCs, I consider them big balance and feature patches (pls don't discuss balance or bugs here).

    Nevertheless I don't see any reason for continuing my subscription, if nothing verifyable is done against cheaters. If ZOS think they can sit it out, well, let them. They will just lose my subscription (and as I have heard probably other peoples' too), because I take cheating VERY serious. Unfortunately I am technically versed in terms of basics of programming and client-server-communication (=netcode), so I'd like to hear how the cheater problem will be solved. OF COURSE I don't think we will get technical specifics, that would be foolish for cheating and preventing it is always a cat and mouse game. I'm having two problems here:

    1. I want to see that they care, not only hear it from rumors (verifiability and reliability)
    2. If sb officially promises to give a statement about sth and then appareantly does not keep his promise, I feel fooled and i most certainly don't cosider that the basis of a business relationship.
    Edited by Letho2469 on June 3, 2016 7:14AM
    Trial Progression:
    vAA: Hardmode
    vHRC: Hardmode
    vSO: Hardmode
    vMoL: Hardmode + dro-m'Athra-Destroyer
    vHoF: Hardmode + Tick Tock Tormentor
    vAS: Hardmode + Immortal Redeemer
    vCR: Hardmode + Gryphon Heart
    vSS: Hardmode
  • Bluepitbull13
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    Edited by Bluepitbull13 on June 3, 2016 7:28AM
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  • cpuScientist
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    Dark Brotherhood is fun loving the story, and I am addicted to the blade of woe lol. That aside though. However for what is in it no trial no nothing really after story, it should have posted 1500 crowns.

    Now on to the cheating. I don't play MMO's for story alone there are better games to do that in. I play it to run trials get leaderboard play PvP.

    So when last week my guild went into AA and tried to get leaderboards, and scored a score that was higher than any scored in January, that for the past couple months would ensure us a spot near the top or middle, but now all of a sudden is not high enough for us to get in. Then I would say damn everyone else is stepping up their game we need to get better, but now ZOS I feel like it's pointless to try as most of those guys are probably cheating to get those scores, and we can't compete with cheaters.

    Now when I go to PvP and duel a DK, and he is dropping a standard every 8 seconds it seems weird to me so that guy is probably cheating. When I see a Sorc moving faster than mine, he's probably cheating. Now I just cannot trust that other players are cheating or playing the game fairly. It may be an overreaction but how do we know now?

    It's going to eventually drive people.away, we can't trust leaderboards can't trust PvP all we can do is play the story. Well like I said MUCH better stories out there anyway. Or we can play it for fun, which the game is, but part of that fun is competing with others, and if they are all on steroids I can't compete.

    So ZOS do give us an official hard statement. You are active enough to kill any other thread we make on the matter and throw us in here, we will not go away, so give a statement.
  • Mickey_Ox
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    Where is the statement we were promised with more detail??Are we trying the if we say nothing theymight forget about tactic again?? At least blizzard respect there players by life time banning all cheaters with no 2nd chances while also publicly naming them.
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    No Matter.
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