[Permabans being lifted] ZOS how are we as a community dealing with exploits/hacking?

Turelus

BTW anyone from the German community able to give us a translation of what Kai is talking about in the quote below?

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

frank.bindb16_ESO wrote: »

Jeder Server hatte seine vorrangig festen GM und man kannte sich, viele Dinge wurden unkompliziert und ohne Tickets geregelt. Man hatte einfach das Gefühl da ist ein fester Ansprechpartner der sich kümmert, bei Events hilft etc.

Ist ein GM gegangen warum auch immer gab es schöne Abschiedevents mit Keksen, nicht wahr Herr Sterntaler

Naja alles der Kostenreduktion der Managerkasten zum Opfer gefallen und daher entsteht auch heute kaum noch eine Bindung zu den Spielen und die Leute hüpfen von einem Spiel zum anderen wenn der Content durch ist.

Die schöne alte Zeit der Urgesteine der Onlinespiele kommt einfach nicht wieder. Und damit meine ich jetzt nicht WoW das war schon der Anfang der negativen Entwicklung, sondern Spiele wie Ultima Online und Darkage of Camelot. Da waren Spieler und Supporter noch eine eingeschworene Gemeinschaft, die zusammen durch d-i-c-k und dünn gegangen sind.

Sowas ist heute nicht mehr möglich und das hat eher weniger mit den Kosten zu tun. Die Möglichkeiten, die wir "damals" als echte Gamemaster* hatten, wird dir heute keine größere Firma mehr anvertrauen. Das hat gute Gründe, ist aber auch sehr schade, denn sowohl die Abwechslung im Spiel als auch die Community an sich haben "damals" sehr davon profitiert.



*nicht wie die Kundendienst-Mitarbeiter, die heutzutage diesen Namen führen

I ran it through auto translations and I kind of got a feel for it but didn't want to post misinformation due to bad translation (damn it Google you should be good at this by now!)

bedlom

Master race!!!!!!

ManwithBeard9

Left a comment about CE on a post on ESO FB page and the Bethesda page. Wonder what'll happen.

Turelus

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Left a comment about CE on a post on ESO FB page and the Bethesda page. Wonder what'll happen.

It will be ignored or deleted.
I have posted a few tweets before (where moderation can't happen) but generally people just ignore it. The larger population of the game don't care about these kinds of issues as long as they have new content and a reasonably bug free experience.

Tonight has actually for the first time been a night where I have just wondered if I should just walk away from the game. Sure these issues don't really cripple my ability to play the game but... I don't know.

I've invested so much money into this game now because I really care for it, but starting just see it as money wasted, I don't think if ZOS even responds to this I will care any more, not unless there is some kind of massive change in the company. Which there won't be.

Time for sleep here in the UK any way, guess I will check in on this again tomorrow when I get to work and see what's happened over night.

daemonios

Turelus wrote: »

BTW anyone from the German community able to give us a translation of what Kai is talking about in the quote below?

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

frank.bindb16_ESO wrote: »

Jeder Server hatte seine vorrangig festen GM und man kannte sich, viele Dinge wurden unkompliziert und ohne Tickets geregelt. Man hatte einfach das Gefühl da ist ein fester Ansprechpartner der sich kümmert, bei Events hilft etc.

Ist ein GM gegangen warum auch immer gab es schöne Abschiedevents mit Keksen, nicht wahr Herr Sterntaler

Naja alles der Kostenreduktion der Managerkasten zum Opfer gefallen und daher entsteht auch heute kaum noch eine Bindung zu den Spielen und die Leute hüpfen von einem Spiel zum anderen wenn der Content durch ist.

Die schöne alte Zeit der Urgesteine der Onlinespiele kommt einfach nicht wieder. Und damit meine ich jetzt nicht WoW das war schon der Anfang der negativen Entwicklung, sondern Spiele wie Ultima Online und Darkage of Camelot. Da waren Spieler und Supporter noch eine eingeschworene Gemeinschaft, die zusammen durch d-i-c-k und dünn gegangen sind.

Sowas ist heute nicht mehr möglich und das hat eher weniger mit den Kosten zu tun. Die Möglichkeiten, die wir "damals" als echte Gamemaster* hatten, wird dir heute keine größere Firma mehr anvertrauen. Das hat gute Gründe, ist aber auch sehr schade, denn sowohl die Abwechslung im Spiel als auch die Community an sich haben "damals" sehr davon profitiert.



*nicht wie die Kundendienst-Mitarbeiter, die heutzutage diesen Namen führen

I ran it through auto translations and I kind of got a feel for it but didn't want to post misinformation due to bad translation (damn it Google you should be good at this by now!)

Rough translation (feel free to correct me)

Such a thing isn't possibly anymore, and that has little to do with costs. The possibilities we used to have as "real Gamemasters", aren't offered by any large company anymore. There are good reasons for that, but it's also really sad, because not only the game but also the community itself profited greatly from it.

Nifty2g

Turelus wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Left a comment about CE on a post on ESO FB page and the Bethesda page. Wonder what'll happen.

It will be ignored or deleted.
I have posted a few tweets before (where moderation can't happen) but generally people just ignore it. The larger population of the game don't care about these kinds of issues as long as they have new content and a reasonably bug free experience.

Tonight has actually for the first time been a night where I have just wondered if I should just walk away from the game. Sure these issues don't really cripple my ability to play the game but... I don't know.

I've invested so much money into this game now because I really care for it, but starting just see it as money wasted, I don't think if ZOS even responds to this I will care any more, not unless there is some kind of massive change in the company. Which there won't be.

Time for sleep here in the UK any way, guess I will check in on this again tomorrow when I get to work and see what's happened over night.

For me it just proves none of them don't have a clue, they probably think because there is no evidence of the so blatantly hacked vma score that it was obtained legitimately. Now I don't really care too much about the person but it puts a huge bad name on ZOS, how can their dungeon design and combat team believe that? You guys also came out and said there will be a leaderboard wipe, you all believed it, then didn't do it.

This is the part that is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. If the player got past investigation free, at least deal with what you are showcasing to your customers.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Well I have had enough. Canceled my sub today. Will just play around now to do any new content they may put out. I will no longer step foot in Cyrodiil. It is a sad day since I really liked this game a lot. But I guess it is time for newer things. On the bright side I have enough crowns from my sub to buy about 4 DLCS if they look interesting but this will be an online single player game to mess around with now.

Junipus

Nifty2g wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Left a comment about CE on a post on ESO FB page and the Bethesda page. Wonder what'll happen.

It will be ignored or deleted.
I have posted a few tweets before (where moderation can't happen) but generally people just ignore it. The larger population of the game don't care about these kinds of issues as long as they have new content and a reasonably bug free experience.

Tonight has actually for the first time been a night where I have just wondered if I should just walk away from the game. Sure these issues don't really cripple my ability to play the game but... I don't know.

I've invested so much money into this game now because I really care for it, but starting just see it as money wasted, I don't think if ZOS even responds to this I will care any more, not unless there is some kind of massive change in the company. Which there won't be.

Time for sleep here in the UK any way, guess I will check in on this again tomorrow when I get to work and see what's happened over night.

For me it just proves none of them don't have a clue, they probably think because there is no evidence of the so blatantly hacked vma score that it was obtained legitimately. Now I don't really care too much about the person but it puts a huge bad name on ZOS, how can their dungeon design and combat team believe that? You guys also came out and said there will be a leaderboard wipe, you all believed it, then didn't do it.

This is the part that is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. If the player got past investigation free, at least deal with what you are showcasing to your customers.

This is a company whose testers and employees play in FPS mode and light attack like their LARPing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fQxzuaE2MA

Minno

daemonios wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

BTW anyone from the German community able to give us a translation of what Kai is talking about in the quote below?

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

frank.bindb16_ESO wrote: »

Jeder Server hatte seine vorrangig festen GM und man kannte sich, viele Dinge wurden unkompliziert und ohne Tickets geregelt. Man hatte einfach das Gefühl da ist ein fester Ansprechpartner der sich kümmert, bei Events hilft etc.

Ist ein GM gegangen warum auch immer gab es schöne Abschiedevents mit Keksen, nicht wahr Herr Sterntaler

Naja alles der Kostenreduktion der Managerkasten zum Opfer gefallen und daher entsteht auch heute kaum noch eine Bindung zu den Spielen und die Leute hüpfen von einem Spiel zum anderen wenn der Content durch ist.

Die schöne alte Zeit der Urgesteine der Onlinespiele kommt einfach nicht wieder. Und damit meine ich jetzt nicht WoW das war schon der Anfang der negativen Entwicklung, sondern Spiele wie Ultima Online und Darkage of Camelot. Da waren Spieler und Supporter noch eine eingeschworene Gemeinschaft, die zusammen durch d-i-c-k und dünn gegangen sind.

Sowas ist heute nicht mehr möglich und das hat eher weniger mit den Kosten zu tun. Die Möglichkeiten, die wir "damals" als echte Gamemaster* hatten, wird dir heute keine größere Firma mehr anvertrauen. Das hat gute Gründe, ist aber auch sehr schade, denn sowohl die Abwechslung im Spiel als auch die Community an sich haben "damals" sehr davon profitiert.



*nicht wie die Kundendienst-Mitarbeiter, die heutzutage diesen Namen führen

I ran it through auto translations and I kind of got a feel for it but didn't want to post misinformation due to bad translation (damn it Google you should be good at this by now!)

Rough translation (feel free to correct me)

Such a thing isn't possibly anymore, and that has little to do with costs. The possibilities we used to have as "real Gamemasters", aren't offered by any large company anymore. There are good reasons for that, but it's also really sad, because not only the game but also the community itself profited greatly from it.

Interesting...

Volkodav

I've been reading all the comments about this since it all began,and wonder myself why ZOS is allowing players they KNOW to be cheating back into the game.
Yes,I know,they want the money from them,but,surely,..they can do without a few dollars when serious rules have been breached.

Tekyn

I don't have any input on current circumstance, but to those saying ZOS has done nothing against cheaters since the game came out clearly either did not play at release or have short memories.

Xylphan

Volkodav wrote: »

I've been reading all the comments about this since it all began,and wonder myself why ZOS is allowing players they KNOW to be cheating back into the game.
Yes,I know,they want the money from them,but,surely,..they can do without a few dollars when serious rules have been breached.

Or perhaps when they realized what was happening and ran an analysis to find cheaters they found that most of the player base was actually cheating?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Volkodav

Xylphan wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

I've been reading all the comments about this since it all began,and wonder myself why ZOS is allowing players they KNOW to be cheating back into the game.
Yes,I know,they want the money from them,but,surely,..they can do without a few dollars when serious rules have been breached.

Or perhaps when they realized what was happening and ran an analysis to find cheaters they found that most of the player base was actually cheating?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw

Eeeeek!
(SSsshhh! That will be considered a conspiracy theory!LOL)

Thornen

Tekyn wrote: »

I don't have any input on current circumstance, but to those saying ZOS has done nothing against cheaters since the game came out clearly either did not play at release or have short memories.

Except of course the CE cheaters who only got banned because people gave up on the game and went nuts in cyrodiil. I assure you there are still plenty of people cheating atm just without being blatantly obvious. The fact that someone who was using the cheat was unbanned is just beyond excuse. Stop standing up for a company that has shown time and again just how incompetent they are dealing with these situations, fixing bug, and listening to their actual playerbase.

Pomaikai

We all know that there have never been 7,000,000 currently active players at one time. I ignore PR BS. You should too.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hey everyone,

If you believe someone is cheating, hacking, exploiting, botting, or anything else that violates our EULA and Terms of Service, we want to know but we need you to report them using the appropriate channels. We fully investigate all reports of TOS violations. (See this Support article on how to report another player for inappropriate behavior.)

You can also submit a Support ticket via our website if you need to include screenshots and/or video footage of the player you are reporting. To do so, follow these steps:

1. Go to the Support page and log in
2. Choose “In-Game Support”
3. Select the “Report a Player” subcategory
4. Fill out the fields with as much detail as possible – if you know reproduction steps for what the player you’re reporting is doing, even better.
5. Attach any related files (screenshots, videos, etc.)
6. Hit the “Submit” button

Please note that we cannot discuss another player’s account status and details thereof with you, as doing so would be a violation of our Privacy Policy. This includes any disciplinary action we have taken on another player. In rare cases, we may decide to give a player who has been permanently banned a final chance after investigating a situation and speaking with them. If you believe a player with whom we have granted a final chance is violating our EULA and Terms of Service, please report them via one of the two methods described above.

Lastly, we are still going to wipe the Veteran Maelstrom Arena Leaderboards on the PC/Mac megaservers within the next few weeks.

ZOS_AlanG

Hi everyone, despite repeated requests from the moderators this thread has continued to attract a lot of problems. We recognize everyone's frustration, but this thread has struggled to remain constructive, has contained a lot of misinformation, and many of the posts have violated the Forum Rules.

As I stated earlier, it is important to us that the community have a place to discuss this matter. But given the problems at the moment, we feel a break is in order. We are closing this thread to give the topic a chance to cool down. If related threads are made or bumped, they will be directed here and locked as well.

In the future, we'll either re-open this thread, or more likely create a new one. In the meantime, I'm happy to discuss this decision via PM.