It's clear to me Ban anyone that try's to defend this as clearly they have or will exploit

Turelus wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

It's clear to me Ban anyone that try's to defend this as clearly they have or will exploit

Good job you're not in charge of those choices then.

Also I had a nice chat with someone last night, I have to say all my faith in ZOS handling this has been lost once again. I think I am done fighting these battles, until ZOS ever gets a real security/GM team which can actually do the job correctly I don't know what else there is to say.

Nope doubt there would be anyone left on the servers if I was in charge

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

QT_DevTeam wrote: »

thing is i farmed like 8kk AP with this event, but i spent all of them for style chapters
i wasnt banned but if zos decide to do it - they cant take away my AP

owned

I could punch they guy who first came up with kk directly in the face. This *** seems to be really widespread but is *** as ***. k comes from the prefix kilo. Who the *** would write 1 kilokilogram instead of 1 ton o_O

Well those names are inconsistent af and just replace 10^3n with some natural number. No matter what you call it its pretty clear whats meant. So putting it in k's always made the most sense to me.

EDIT: also kilo is still universally consistent in the most inportant western languages where as after million it gets inconsistent atleast between english and german.

I think it would have been awesome if ZOS took all the exploited AP gains and redistributed them to everyone that didnt exploit.

just for funzies.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.

So just to be clear, are the offenders keeping alliance ranks?

If so, I am disappointed, although I realize that might be difficult to roll back.

Turelus wrote: »

AP removal is a start, but I worry what happened in the case where people cashed that out already into motifs etc.

Nothing happened in this case. They only lost AP they gained while expoilting, it wasn't reset to 0.

prootch wrote: »

AP removal seems to be a joke, according to a banned player zos removed AP only on the first character on the char lists: so people who did AP swap with the second char on their char list... still have their AP. Confirmation ? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Rank removal would be the real thing

Heard from someone who got a 3 day ban that he didn't lose any AP. Congratz zos, well done.

xRIVALENx wrote: »

That is unfortunate. Without harsh consequences for exploiting, individuals will just weigh the risk vs reward and take the slap on the wrist.

Sadly this may become the truth

Dymence wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

That is unfortunate. Without harsh consequences for exploiting, individuals will just weigh the risk vs reward and take the slap on the wrist.

They shouldn't have done any bans to begin with. This whole thing in general was just handled in such a pathetic way by ZOS. They should've made a statement about it when it was going on, they didn't. People warned them more than enough, they didn't care. And now when all is said and done, they just ban some people as a show of power.

The bans were RNG, there are more than enough people who farmed many millions of AP and didn't get banned.
AP removal was RNG, some people got their AP removed from one character, some from every character, and some from none.

Absolutely pathetic.

No this punishment will have huge effects for the future as any who does something which could considered exploiting will think twice about doing it

Dymence wrote: »

xRIVALENx wrote: »

That is unfortunate. Without harsh consequences for exploiting, individuals will just weigh the risk vs reward and take the slap on the wrist.

They shouldn't have done any bans to begin with. This whole thing in general was just handled in such a pathetic way by ZOS. They should've made a statement about it when it was going on, they didn't. People warned them more than enough, they didn't care. And now when all is said and done, they just ban some people as a show of power.

The bans were RNG, there are more than enough people who farmed many millions of AP and didn't get banned.
AP removal was RNG, some people got their AP removed from one character, some from every character, and some from none.

Absolutely pathetic.

I wholeheartedly agree with @Dymence here.

ZoS handled it absolutely horrendously. They have been warned long before the event that exactly this would happen. They could of easily stated before the event, that this was against the ToS and we would of had no problems.


The funny fact is, that AP farming has gone on since launch and they have never done anything about it.

BohnT wrote: »

No this punishment will have huge effects for the future as any who does something which could considered exploiting will think twice about doing it

It will have long lasting effects... in terms of driving players away from the game. Noone wants to play in an environment where the developer can arbitrarily punish you for messing around a bit and having fun... simply because it MIGHT be considered exploiting some time later, or even much later. Just because they can, and because they were too lazy to simply say it when it was required and asked for.

How about banning people now or next year for using multiple mundus in 2015 ?

Valencer wrote: »

Noone wants to play in an environment where everyone abuses the *** out of every exploit or questionable gameplay mechanic a new update adds, either. Goes both ways.

I understand that. But what ZOS did doesn't prevent that. What should be done is 1/ clearly state the rule 2/ warn 3/ punish.
Step 1&2 can be done in one go, right when the wave of debatable behaviour starts to spread.
I have nothing against step 3 if preceeded by 1 and 2 in a timely manner. But doing step 3 without having done 1 and 2, and doing it months later, is just plain rubbish.

prootch wrote: »

Well I'm quite sure the banned ones will not take the risk to swap ap again with their accounts risking definitive ban. So it does not matter if the previous communication was proper or not: the effect if there.

Actually @prootch, I don't think there is any effect, because ZoS is so inconsistent with their banning policies. They only did this because of the public outcry and it smells like a one time thing. AP swapping will continue on a much smaller scale and nobody will be banned for it (like it always has).

Many players have been using multiple mundus and other exploits forever and ZoS never did anything about it. You can report the guys 50 times (same with bots btw) and nothing will happen, because there is no public outcry.

Then you used the broken gapclose mechanics and get a perma ban for it... you get the gist .. total inconsistency.

Obviously I am just speculating here. Maybe they will start actually punishing the real exploiters, not just people that afked at an outpost.

Valencer wrote: »

Noone wants to play in an environment where everyone abuses the *** out of every exploit or questionable gameplay mechanic a new update adds, either. Goes both ways.

Exactly this is why we need clear communication and consistency from ZoS, what is considered an offence for the future. Why is Keep flipping for AP a banable offence but running around with multiple mundus stones acceptable for months? The one is pure cosmetic (rank) and the other is actually gamebreaking.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the fact that keep flipping is wrong. It is just very hypocritical how ZoS handled the whole thing.