Hand_Bacon wrote: »
The dodge rolling thing is very uninteresting to me. Temporary penetration serves no one who is at the cap, and the movement speed was just a copy/paste of an already existing skill in the bow line, that was not that great.
The most fun I've had with it is in non CP BGs and PvP where I don't run around at pen cap. Just my experience. Earlier I mentioned that I broke Senche's out of the vault so now, in the above, I do a dodgeroll and gain extra pen and ws. Optimal? Probably not. Entertaining for at least me? Yes.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »I don't understand what's to argue hear, already there are ten polls where people who don't own bosmers agree that bosmer changes are stupid, bad both for gameplay and for lore..
It wouldn't matter if there were a thousand polls, wouldn't make it more or less correct in different people's eyes.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »I don't understand what's to argue hear, already there are ten polls where people who don't own bosmers agree that bosmer changes are stupid, bad both for gameplay and for lore..
It wouldn't matter if there were a thousand polls, wouldn't make it more or less correct in different people's eyes.
JayAstrophel wrote: »
Hey, man
I get that you like the new passive. I'm just sad that so many can't put it to use. If they had replaced the stealth passive with literally anything that could have been useful in PvE, I would be a bit more behind it than I am right now. Maybe even a skill that was different in PvE and PvP? (don't know how that would work, though)
I just don't understand why this passive has been made to be useless to anyone who doesn't enjoy PvP.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »I don't understand what's to argue hear, already there are ten polls where people who don't own bosmers agree that bosmer changes are stupid, bad both for gameplay and for lore..
It wouldn't matter if there were a thousand polls, wouldn't make it more or less correct in different people's eyes.
Again, you're really comparing apples to . The majority of people aren't asking to have the dodge roll removed (despite it requiring something incredibly niche to use effectively).
We want the stupid stealth detection removed and replaced with our old better at hiding stealth bonus.
You can keep your dodge roll buff that is an active decrease in damage if used offensively since you would get more damage from a single use of any attack power than from the extra penetration (and you'll use less stamina to boot). Not to mention that penetration doesn't work on shields or against blocks.
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Hand_Bacon wrote: »I wondering if its pve application will come. It may seem far-fetched and odd to change it at a time before the applicable content. Maybe since they were doing a big racial update. I don't know, maybe a glimmer of hope for everyone else.
and here is the best part? they do NOT have to take away your fun to fix OUR fun. all they have to do is change stealth detection back to reduced detection radius. THAT's IT. and those of us who play for stealth? GET OUR LORE BASED STEALTH BACK. its really that simple.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
It's meters though, about melee range difference. If you get within melee range of enemies they spot you even with both sets, with both sets and racial bonus you can almost walk on top of them. If there's a normal sized hallway with a guard on either side of it, they will spot you now while wearing both sets.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@KMarble
I'm not saying there shouldn't be a discussion about it. By all means complain. I think it suits all of our purposes to do so when it is done without doomsday hyperbolic rhetoric which creates false narratives or the impression of 100% solidarity.
I've stated a couple times now that the return of that passive is not something I object to, but I don't "personally" want it to REPLACE the new passive. That's why I've chosen to engage in conversation about it. I would hope, that those who are in woe over the loss of that passive would find a way to make hay while the sun is shining in a different direction. Wanting everyone to feel despair and grief is something I'll never sign on with. I've handed out agrees and insightfuls to those in opposition when I find merit in counter arguments. Its possible to find merit, agree with logical process, and appreciate arguments that one doesn't agree with totally.
Sometimes its like I'm a heretic for just wanting conversation and pointing out when things cross the line.
Exactly.I think the problem is that you're looking at it as if the passive is one thing, and that to change one aspect of it would be to change the whole. I see it as 3 different traits that could be modified separately.Hand_Bacon wrote: »@KMarble
I'm not saying there shouldn't be a discussion about it. By all means complain. I think it suits all of our purposes to do so when it is done without doomsday hyperbolic rhetoric which creates false narratives or the impression of 100% solidarity.
I've stated a couple times now that the return of that passive is not something I object to, but I don't "personally" want it to REPLACE the new passive. That's why I've chosen to engage in conversation about it. I would hope, that those who are in woe over the loss of that passive would find a way to make hay while the sun is shining in a different direction. Wanting everyone to feel despair and grief is something I'll never sign on with. I've handed out agrees and insightfuls to those in opposition when I find merit in counter arguments. Its possible to find merit, agree with logical process, and appreciate arguments that one doesn't agree with totally.
Sometimes its like I'm a heretic for just wanting conversation and pointing out when things cross the line.
I think the problem is that you're looking at it as if the passive is one thing, and that to change one aspect of it would be to change the whole. I see it as 3 different traits that could be modified separately.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
I think the problem is that you're looking at it as if the passive is one thing, and that to change one aspect of it would be to change the whole. I see it as 3 different traits that could be modified separately.
Can we just ask them to take our 10% reduced fall damage in exchange for giving back the 3m reduction? Seems more fit for Khajiits always landing on their feet anyways.
I don't know if I really want to give up that increased ability to find other non bosmer/khajiit stealthers first.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
It's meters though, about melee range difference. If you get within melee range of enemies they spot you even with both sets, with both sets and racial bonus you can almost walk on top of them. If there's a normal sized hallway with a guard on either side of it, they will spot you now while wearing both sets.
So we are talking with 7 medium and both set bonuses? I thought the beginning point was like 6m from behind and 14m or so from the front. With both set bonuses and 7 medium with a hallway you are completely unable to sneak by? Even with abilities? Cloak lasts for 2.9 seconds. Is the hallway lined with guards?
Hand_Bacon wrote: »Shouting down the opposition isn't constructive.
From what I've read so far once you use it, you get out of stealth yourself and because of the very small radius, you'll be within reach of a melee attack. Or did I understand it all wrong?
Hand_Bacon wrote: »Shouting down the opposition isn't constructive.
Who is shouting?
I find it interesting that no one engages with the reasonable measured responses in all these threads and only jump on the emotional responses.
It’s almost like attacking tone is a way of avoiding the real issue.
I’ve answered all these objections and more and yet, it remains ignored in favor of pricking emotional responses from other people.
It’s interesting.
I know it has nothing to do with me. That’s the point. I have calmly and clearly presented answers to objections and all of it is ignored.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »I don't know if I really want to give up that increased ability to find other non bosmer/khajiit stealthers first.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »From what I've read so far once you use it, you get out of stealth yourself and because of the very small radius, you'll be within reach of a melee attack. Or did I understand it all wrong?
The stealth detection is always there when you're moving around, its not only after you roll dodge. When you roll dodge you get the pen/speed and yes, that pops you out of stealth.
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