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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Hand_Bacon
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    Its been changed. Its been done. YOUR problem is that you fail to accept that. Are you still waiting for new releases on 8 track?


    This gives them a flavor apart from other races. It may not be optimal, it may not fit YOUR criteria for fun, but are you the measure of all things or just this?

    I'm having fun with my bosmer and the racial change and a bit more so than I did before. Should I stop having fun because of YOUR measure?
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    anadandy wrote: »

    And saying you "fixed" other people's opinions is trolling.

    Forcing somebody else to fix their post could be called trolling by the same logic.
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    I am not a troll, I just don't see the sky falling or believe in run away hyperbole.

    The sky is definitely not falling for anyone, Bosmer have gained some great passives from the changes, with a rare case of hardcore regen stackers seeing a loss. Eitherway you aren't trolling, but it is just difficult to deny that the stealth detection passive has turned a situational benefit into an almost entirely wasted stat. That is the primary focal point of the discussion, and something people become very frustrated with, and as you have seen it becomes easy for it to appear that you are accepting this part of the changes like the other segments.

    Thank you for being rational. I can completely understand the frustration, I too felt it when I first read it on the PTS. Its a matter of living in the past or moving on. One way is grief, the other is coping. Its difficult to see people encourage and propagate grief over change.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Hand_Bacon wrote: »
    Its been changed. Its been done. YOUR problem is that you fail to accept that. Are you still waiting for new releases on 8 track?


    This gives them a flavor apart from other races. It may not be optimal, it may not fit YOUR criteria for fun, but are you the measure of all things or just this?

    I'm having fun with my bosmer and the racial change and a bit more so than I did before. Should I stop having fun because of YOUR measure?

    they have reversed unpopular changes before. do you always just roll over and accept things? not ALL changes are good. we are not obligated to just accept them, there is nothing wrong with expressing dissatisfaction with poorly thought out change.

    Were are living in the....
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    Edited by Ratzkifal on February 28, 2019 3:09AM
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
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    Linaleah wrote: »

    when have i ever spoken for ALL? i have spoken for those of us who ARE negatively affected. which are plural. WE. I litteraly said a LOT of us. and there IS a lot of us. i did NOT say all of us, i said a LOT. which is a CORRECT STATEMENT. this is NOT about you. its great that you are having fun. WE, those of us who played bosmer for built in stealth passives however, are NOT.

    You're right, this is not a me or you thing as we both started playing bosmer for that reason. The difference is that the change doesn't break the game for Bosmer it just changes it. Sure you'd like it back, but they did indeed remove it and I don't see them putting it back without taking away something. I don't see the point in going backwards.
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »

    There is a pretty "neat" thing that we would gladly have removed again. Spoiler: It's the increased detection radius!
    The dodgeroll is weird, but at least it doesn't violate the lore. Would you in all honesty miss the increased detection radius that turns Bosmer from thieves into guards?

    I do actually like that. You know it doesn't make or break things, it just changes things.

    Thieves into guards is a bit over the top. The stat change could be considered a reflection of their stealth prowess just in different form.
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    All y'all are carping at each other.. Not at all productive. You need to carp at ZOS.

    Nope - I don't have any vested interest in this. My Bosmer aren't sneak thieves.

    Well said!
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    they have reversed unpopular changes before. do you always just roll over and accept things? not ALL changes are good. we are not obligated to just accept them, there is nothing wrong with expressing dissatisfaction with poorly thought out change.

    The question is the "or what"? ZoS, change this back...or what? Voicing displeasure is one thing, but demanding a change back is short sighted imo. You assume the change is poorly thought out, but it is really only in your perception or if you'd rather I say....and those who share your perception. Why however would that perception trump all others? Again...or what?
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    BlueRaven wrote: »

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    The stat change could be considered a reflection of their stealth prowess just in different form.

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

    Uh no. It’s not.

    “Hey get down and hide or the cops will see you!”

    “No, don’t you understand? If I see them it’s the SAME as being hidden. Me standing here looking around is just prowess in a different form.”

    See this is the hyperbole laden crazy speak I was referring to.

    I guess I need to clarify for some reason. The very very old phrase "set a thief to catch a thief" is what I mean. The stat of detecting stealth is a reflection of their stealth prowess. Its not hard to understand.
    Edited by Hand_Bacon on February 28, 2019 4:27AM
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    Hand_Bacon wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »

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    The stat change could be considered a reflection of their stealth prowess just in different form.

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!!

    Uh no. It’s not.

    “Hey get down and hide or the cops will see you!”

    “No, don’t you understand? If I see them it’s the SAME as being hidden. Me standing here looking around is just prowess in a different form.”

    See this is the hyperbole laden crazy speak I was referring to.

    I guess I need to clarify for some reason. The very very old phrase "set a thief to catch a thief" is what I mean. The stat of detecting stealth is a reflection of their stealth prowess. Its not hard to understand.

    So if I am to understand this correctly. Bosmers will go from being stealthy, to losing that ability and gaining great eyesight (a kahjit ability, not that I would wish that on any race in this game), to losing that great eyesight again, and getting stealth back later on.
    And all this shifting is because of their stealthy nature.

    And this “totally works with the lore” rewrite of what stealthy means, is also reflected in Imperials now being better at them in sneaking around? How does that fit in?
    Edited by BlueRaven on February 28, 2019 4:50AM
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Let's be realistic about this. ZOS won't make a hotfix to give Bosmer the stealth back. The outrage is just not big enough, because presumably the lore community isn't all that large in here.
    We might get some answers if we can actually get someone to talk, but with the suggested new systems in the works it's kind of hard to get to talk to them if there are indeed plans. We would need someone under NDA to do this. Luckily we have class reps who are under NDA! If we can get a class rep in here and arm them with our arguments and lore facts to the point that they can represent our opinion accurately enough that they can go to ZOS and talk about it, we could then at least get some indirect communication going on.

    If it goes like this

    Rep: "Yeah ZOS said that they have not forgotten about Bosmer stealth. There are plans and you can rest easy. Just stay strong for the following months"

    that would already make me happy.

    You are a lot more optimistic about this then I am. I suggested having ZoS do an eso live about the race changes and was immediately shot down.
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