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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • A_Silverius
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    Feel free to use my slogan in your signature. Just remember to hyperlink this in the hashtag https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bosmer#The_Rite_of_Theft :)
    Edited by A_Silverius on February 28, 2019 11:28AM
    All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!
  • Hand_Bacon
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »

    Sorry but you kind of provoked it. What you said before was crazy speak. What you said now, your clarification, makes more sense, but is still turning the thief into a guard, because that is exactly what a guard is doing. Are Bosmer known to steal from thieves only? Heck, detection doesn't even help in the act! It helps prevent it. That's not a nod to them being thieves in the lore.

    Provoked it? Thats right, you're not responsible for yourself.

    I unpacked the concept and you painted it with a silly simple veneer of childish cops and robbers. That's not the idea at all. Its 2 sides of the same coin. Its a lore friendly nod to their skill while giving it a practical difference. If all you are about is stealthing around in pve then the many sets will do you well enough. You lose nothing but bag space and unless you are carrying around a dozen or more complete changes for each character, you should be fine.

    Let me break this down in a real world example, which I know is problematic, but for the sake of comprehension indulge me. During combat maneuvers, in my youth, we'd stay out of sight while seeking. We were avoiding detection while detecting. This is why I see it as a stat reflective of the same prowess. You have to know concealment very well to stay concealed and seek the concealed.

    The rest of you, the vitriol is real for someone merely making a point in favor of the changes. Shouting down the opposition isn't constructive.
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    BlueRaven wrote: »

    Oh! Constructive debate!! That’s what you wanted? But then you posted with comments like;

    This was constructive to you? Is this considered a friendly response to you?

    Get over yourself. You never wanted a debate with snide comments like this. You just wanted to get some jabs in.

    Before the update I could do CR +3 (norm) and sneak past mobs better then anyone save a kahjit. Now I can probably still do CR+3 (we here there is a trial loot bug at the moment so we are waiting a week) and now Imperials stealth better then I can.

    So no, I am not just going to let it go

    You must be very fragile. Pointing out that one subsection of people is a perception rather than a reality is constructive, it wasn't snide. Interdicting hyperbole is permitted and required to have rational conversations. Seriously are you okay?

    Throughout the conversation I have put forth my thoughts and agreed with those I may disagree with. That is a constructive conversation.

    I further explained my reasoning and you went off the deep end again. Calm down, drink a tea, have a donut...something.
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    anadandy wrote: »

    The problem with your example is that yes, seeking while sneaking in real world combat is useful.

    In game however, stealth detection in PVE is useless because NPCs don't stealth. What I, and many on this thread and others, are frustrated by is that we had a useful passive that benefitted our style of gameplay removed for one that is without utility and benefits no playstyle outside of PVP.

    We still have not had any response to that, which is why we keep trying.

    I can understand that. It does in the black and white of the pve thief game, change things. In my perception its not lost, but changed. You gain a new ability while retaining the old via different means, the set bonuses, while not really losing much. I've always kept those sets on hand in my bank anyway for non bosmer/khat characters who need to do some clandestine activities.
  • teladoy
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    I think i would be more happy if they would give less stamina regen and give some spell/ weapon damage or flat spell/weapon penetration instead of 6 seconds after rolling.
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    We get it, but we prefer reduced stealth radius as a racial passive.

    I certainly wouldn't reject getting it back as long as they didn't take away the new.
    anadandy wrote: »
    Why are Bosmer the only race being required to lose something, even something as insignificant as bag space, for nothing?

    Those are the questions ZOS needs to answer, imo.

    They weren't the ONLY race to lose something there have been many complaints. I do think it is all part of a bigger picture and not some naive or sadistic developer picking on the Bosmer :o They may answer eventually with a simple "trust us". Would that be good enough?

    EDIT: IF it is a sadistic or naive developer, I'll grab the torches, you get the pitchforks.

    Edited by Hand_Bacon on February 28, 2019 12:32PM
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    teladoy wrote: »
    I think i would be more happy if they would give less stamina regen and give some spell/ weapon damage or flat spell/weapon penetration instead of 6 seconds after rolling.

    It would be easier that way, but then they'd just be like everyone else. The dodge rolling thing is really interesting to me. The last couple days I've seen an uptick or return of more Eternal Hunt in PvP.
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    BlueViolet wrote: »
    There are plenty of ways to increase detection, rather than stripping away something that is essentially part of the Bosmer, to replace it with something you can get from potions or other skills quite easily.

    True, but the same can be said for avoidance. Its a shakeup of the old, but not one worth tossing out a character you love over.

    Also, a lot of Dunmer were built around being a mag dk, now they are what, 3rd?
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    Jaraal wrote: »

    Are you a ZOS dev? Because I can imagine this is exactly what the person in charge of these absurd changes would say. We shouldn't have to carry extra sets of armor to swap out every time we want to be wood elves.....

    I'm only on my second cup of coffee so forgive me, but what do you mean by this? Is being a ZOS dev supposed to be insulting or are you claiming I'm an apologist? Just because my view is in contrast to yours is an excuse to try and paint me personally as this or that? Its a difference of opinion and I supported it by my collection of facts.

    I understand the other arguments but I don't think I've called you out as something like a whiny little carebear who just cares about the pretty power of his little midget cannibal's stealth ability who also has an inferiority complex when it comes to imperials? It doesn't really further the conversation does it?
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    Hand_Bacon wrote: »
    BlueViolet wrote: »
    There are plenty of ways to increase detection, rather than stripping away something that is essentially part of the Bosmer, to replace it with something you can get from potions or other skills quite easily.

    True, but the same can be said for avoidance. Its a shakeup of the old, but not one worth tossing out a character you love over.

    Also, a lot of Dunmer were built around being a mag dk, now they are what, 3rd?

    No it can't be said the same for avoidance because most people used the stealth improving gear AND the racial benefits on top of each other.
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    Weren't open letters against the tos?
    Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.
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    Arato wrote: »

    No it can't be said the same for avoidance because most people used the stealth improving gear AND the racial benefits on top of each other.

    After all is calculated doing the math on this we would really be talking about in-game inches.
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    Eiron77 wrote: »

    The dodge rolling thing is very uninteresting to me. Temporary penetration serves no one who is at the cap, and the movement speed was just a copy/paste of an already existing skill in the bow line, that was not that great.

    The most fun I've had with it is in non CP BGs and PvP where I don't run around at pen cap. Just my experience. Earlier I mentioned that I broke Senche's out of the vault so now, in the above, I do a dodgeroll and gain extra pen and ws. Optimal? Probably not. Entertaining for at least me? Yes.
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    So one whole race with ~million of owners should be dedicated to make 3 PVP sets great again?

    So...wow no. No more so than "millions of owners" should be dedicated to making making stealth easier by an in-game foot.
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