Because that post was in reference to XB1 and PS4 players - who do not have access to addons and therefore don't have the same advantages PC players have when it comes to using the guild trader system.
NoTimeToWait wrote: »Fishing without any skill can get you as much as 10k per hour
If you get to 50th level, you can get 15k gold per hour just running dolmens and selling all the stuff you get from there. Farming raw mats nets you anywhere from 20 to 40k gold per hour.
Farming Crafting writs, if you optimize you can get up to 60-70k per hour.
You can barely sneeze in this game, and somebody will run to you asking to buy the beetle scuttle that flew from your nose xD.
Just don't bother with the stuff right now, get to know the game, and soon you will be getting gold at alarming rate.Agenericname wrote: »It comes up from time to time. Personally I do not like guild traders. They're not a design that friendly towards casual or infrequent players, or players who wish to buy/trade infrequently, but the argument against a global auction does have some substance.
I avoid them altogether now. I haven't been in guild with a trader in quite some time. I do the writs and it's more than enough to get by on.
Seriously, every time I read this kind of comment, I am at a loss. How can 10k gold sales requirement per week be not casual? You can't spend 30 minutes during a week farming (in the worst case)? Bah, if you have 11k gold, you can buy a stack of Raw Ancestor Silk and sell it for 10k gold, if you didn't have time to sell during the week. That's a 1k gold lose per WEEK. That's 3 simple quests done. Or 5 Ancestor silk nodes picked up. Or 2 chests with the right CP point. Or 8 mails from hirelings (you need to login 2 times during a week to get 8-10 mails). People playing MMO can't be anymore casual than that
NoTimeToWait wrote: »Because that post was in reference to XB1 and PS4 players - who do not have access to addons and therefore don't have the same advantages PC players have when it comes to using the guild trader system.
I specifically added that there is no cross-platform competition. Should I elaborate more, and add there is no cross-platform market competition?
I guess, I am done with this conversation, because it renders itself unproductive
Agenericname wrote: »
You CAN be more casual than that. You can play the game and sell a few items once or twice a week without any dues at all or any lectures on why you'll go to hell for not buying raffle tickets, it's just we don't have that option in ESO.
I log in, do the writs on up to 6 characters, collect my gold, keep it all, and spend the rest of the time doing what I want.
LiquidPony wrote: »Qualanthar wrote: »Is this something that has ever been discussed?
Nope. 4.5 years in, I've literally never seen anyone discuss this topic.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231692/guild-trader-vs-auction-house-compromise
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444791/trading-guilds-versus-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392618/can-anyone-clarify-the-auction-houses
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316214/guild-traders-and-bidding
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/415235/a-central-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323006/global-auction-house-yes-or-no
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349242/guild-trader-question
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/260318/auction-house-guild-trader-compromise
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/330717/why-cant-we-get-a-public-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/401309/instead-of-a-unified-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323605/we-need-a-true-auction-house-with-auction-only-and-no-buyout
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221328/guild-traders-is-a-corrupt-and-invalid-system-we-need-a-mega-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343187/an-unified-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411629/central-guild-trader-for-all-in-one-place-or-a-central-market
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193940/how-does-an-economy-develop-around-this-guild-trading-system
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430814/annoying-idiosyncrasy-2-the-whole-guild-store-thing
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305352/guild-traders-a-thoroughly-miserable-experience
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265335/auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384555/auction-house-yay-or-nay
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376260/another-auction-house-thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/197013/auctions-houses-please-eso
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/406085/why-auction-house-is-bad
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237115/is-there-really-no-auction-house
That's just the first 2 pages of Google results for "eso guild trader auction house". There are about 130,000 more.
Agenericname wrote: »NoTimeToWait wrote: »Fishing without any skill can get you as much as 10k per hour
If you get to 50th level, you can get 15k gold per hour just running dolmens and selling all the stuff you get from there. Farming raw mats nets you anywhere from 20 to 40k gold per hour.
Farming Crafting writs, if you optimize you can get up to 60-70k per hour.
You can barely sneeze in this game, and somebody will run to you asking to buy the beetle scuttle that flew from your nose xD.
Just don't bother with the stuff right now, get to know the game, and soon you will be getting gold at alarming rate.Agenericname wrote: »It comes up from time to time. Personally I do not like guild traders. They're not a design that friendly towards casual or infrequent players, or players who wish to buy/trade infrequently, but the argument against a global auction does have some substance.
I avoid them altogether now. I haven't been in guild with a trader in quite some time. I do the writs and it's more than enough to get by on.
Seriously, every time I read this kind of comment, I am at a loss. How can 10k gold sales requirement per week be not casual? You can't spend 30 minutes during a week farming (in the worst case)? Bah, if you have 11k gold, you can buy a stack of Raw Ancestor Silk and sell it for 10k gold, if you didn't have time to sell during the week. That's a 1k gold lose per WEEK. That's 3 simple quests done. Or 5 Ancestor silk nodes picked up. Or 2 chests with the right CP point. Or 8 mails from hirelings (you need to login 2 times during a week to get 8-10 mails). People playing MMO can't be anymore casual than that
You CAN be more casual than that. You can play the game and sell a few items once or twice a week without any dues at all or any lectures on why you'll go to hell for not buying raffle tickets, it's just we don't have that option in ESO.
I log in, do the writs on up to 6 characters, collect my gold, keep it all, and spend the rest of the time doing what I want.
NoTimeToWait wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »
It's a stupid system. It always been a stupid system. And I'll never understand ZoS's fascination with it.
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Thanks god we don't have one more game with Auction House.
It is blindingly boring for anyone who has done any extensive trading for prolonged periods of time.
It is like having auto-targeting skill system again
GLP323b14_ESO wrote: »Hi folks.
Saw this thread pop up.
I'm a total newb regarding these Guild Traders. In fact I had a difficult time figuring out where the "auction house" was. Heh.
In any case, can some one point me to some information on how this all works, if I want to buy and sell items.
Also which add-ons that someone mentioned are being used to help out with guild traders (as someone who mostly would be buying off them).
Agenericname wrote: »
Was there a point in misquoting me?
This FAQ covers pretty much all basics https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/378224/madlarks-guide-to-trading-pcGLP323b14_ESO wrote: »Hi folks.
Saw this thread pop up.
I'm a total newb regarding these Guild Traders. In fact I had a difficult time figuring out where the "auction house" was. Heh.
In any case, can some one point me to some information on how this all works, if I want to buy and sell items.
Also which add-ons that someone mentioned are being used to help out with guild traders (as someone who mostly would be buying off them).
Qualanthar wrote: »
What are the arguments against? Every other MMORPG I've played uses some form of global auction house with some kind of cut rather than requiring players to contribute unevenly to its functioning.
Qualanthar wrote: »OK - so I've recently started selling stuff in this game. Not for much - I have MM and it suggest the excess recipes that I get from my provision writs or excess motifs from crates are worth between 30-100 ish. During the Witches Fest I sold one of the apple bobbing components for a couple of hundred.
But now my trading guild has said they want 5000 gold per week. I get why - cause if guilds have to bid for a spot to sell, that takes gold. But it is also stupid. I haven't made 5000 gold from sales in the entire four months I've been playing so far. It's not economically feasible to spend 20,000 gold a month in order to sell something for between 20 and 50 each day.
A quick scan of guild recruitment shows that most trading guilds have these ridiculous requirements and once again, I understand why if they have to bid for traders. But the game would be so much more accommodating with a global auction house which was "funded" by a fraction of the sales. That way, everyone would contribute gold relative to their earnings as opposed to requiring guilds to have weekly, ridiculous, flat requirements.
Is this something that has ever been discussed?
NupidStoob wrote: »Making money in this game is incredibly easy for anyone who puts a little bit of time into finding out how. There are enough guides and discussions about this.
The easiest way for anyone who wants to have a permanent trading guild, but the guild you found wants Xk sales a week you can easily enough just buy an something for that price and sell it again. Like buy a perfect roe and sell it again. Then you have to float around 10k to stay in your guild which really isn't much money in this game.
3.5% of your sales is what the guild in the end gets as taxes which is 175 gold if you sell for 5k. Asking for 5k sales is really not unreasonable or greedy on their part.
Having to pay "dues" to join a video game guild is about as unreasonable as it gets if you ask me. So any system that would encourage such a silly practice isn't one I would ever support.
NoTimeToWait wrote: »Fishing without any skill can get you as much as 10k per hour
NoTimeToWait wrote: »Because that post was in reference to XB1 and PS4 players - who do not have access to addons and therefore don't have the same advantages PC players have when it comes to using the guild trader system.
I specifically added that there is no cross-platform competition. Should I elaborate more, and add there is no cross-platform market competition?
I guess, I am done with this conversation, because it renders itself unproductive
GLP323b14_ESO wrote: »Hi folks.
Saw this thread pop up.
I'm a total newb regarding these Guild Traders. In fact I had a difficult time figuring out where the "auction house" was. Heh.
In any case, can some one point me to some information on how this all works, if I want to buy and sell items.
Also which add-ons that someone mentioned are being used to help out with guild traders (as someone who mostly would be buying off them).
Qualanthar wrote: »
But now my trading guild has said they want 5000 gold per week. I get why - cause if guilds have to bid for a spot to sell, that takes gold. But it is also stupid. I haven't made 5000 gold from sales in the entire four months I've been playing so far. It's not economically feasible to spend 20,000 gold a month in order to sell something for between 20 and 50 each day.
LiquidPony wrote: »Qualanthar wrote: »Is this something that has ever been discussed?
Nope. 4.5 years in, I've literally never seen anyone discuss this topic.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231692/guild-trader-vs-auction-house-compromise
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444791/trading-guilds-versus-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392618/can-anyone-clarify-the-auction-houses
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316214/guild-traders-and-bidding
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/415235/a-central-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323006/global-auction-house-yes-or-no
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349242/guild-trader-question
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/260318/auction-house-guild-trader-compromise
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/330717/why-cant-we-get-a-public-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/401309/instead-of-a-unified-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323605/we-need-a-true-auction-house-with-auction-only-and-no-buyout
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221328/guild-traders-is-a-corrupt-and-invalid-system-we-need-a-mega-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343187/an-unified-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411629/central-guild-trader-for-all-in-one-place-or-a-central-market
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193940/how-does-an-economy-develop-around-this-guild-trading-system
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430814/annoying-idiosyncrasy-2-the-whole-guild-store-thing
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305352/guild-traders-a-thoroughly-miserable-experience
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265335/auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384555/auction-house-yay-or-nay
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376260/another-auction-house-thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/197013/auctions-houses-please-eso
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/406085/why-auction-house-is-bad
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237115/is-there-really-no-auction-house
That's just the first 2 pages of Google results for "eso guild trader auction house". There are about 130,000 more.
MornaBaine wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »Qualanthar wrote: »Is this something that has ever been discussed?
Nope. 4.5 years in, I've literally never seen anyone discuss this topic.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231692/guild-trader-vs-auction-house-compromise
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444791/trading-guilds-versus-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392618/can-anyone-clarify-the-auction-houses
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316214/guild-traders-and-bidding
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/415235/a-central-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323006/global-auction-house-yes-or-no
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349242/guild-trader-question
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/260318/auction-house-guild-trader-compromise
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/330717/why-cant-we-get-a-public-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/401309/instead-of-a-unified-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323605/we-need-a-true-auction-house-with-auction-only-and-no-buyout
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221328/guild-traders-is-a-corrupt-and-invalid-system-we-need-a-mega-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343187/an-unified-auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/411629/central-guild-trader-for-all-in-one-place-or-a-central-market
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193940/how-does-an-economy-develop-around-this-guild-trading-system
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430814/annoying-idiosyncrasy-2-the-whole-guild-store-thing
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/305352/guild-traders-a-thoroughly-miserable-experience
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/265335/auction-house
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/384555/auction-house-yay-or-nay
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376260/another-auction-house-thread
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/197013/auctions-houses-please-eso
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/406085/why-auction-house-is-bad
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/237115/is-there-really-no-auction-house
That's just the first 2 pages of Google results for "eso guild trader auction house". There are about 130,000 more.
Which should darned well show the will of the players. ZOS needs to get hip.