Guild Traders is a Corrupt And Invalid System WE Need a Mega Auction House

charisma316

Guild Traders are a waste of gold you spend millions for a week of selling stuff which if you do the math nobody and I mean NOBODY sells millions in merchandise the guild traders who claim to do so are liars there are really only a handful full of various items that people buy and even the most heavy dedicated farmer will not sell enough to garner a million gold or more gold price

Not Too Mention Tradings Guild are CORRUPT and yes 95% of them the whole rent for being a member to fatten the pockets of guild masters and there whole rigged system of raffles which i know people who were patsies and made pawns to say they won prizes in these raffles when in actually they didnt win anything at all and shared in the guild donation profits to claim they won

if you enter raffles and donate do at your own accord because really all you are doing is giving gold to the guildmaster

And of course there will be people who claim oh not my guild are raffles are legit dont bother nobody is ever gonna admit to wrongdoing

And the trading guild thing is essence is wrong and promotes people to sit around and find bugs glitches and ways to manipulate the system of fake money

Guilds are meant for Grouping and community and friends not setting up some fake gold Mafia where all you do is buy and sell in game items

If these Guildmasters were actually for there guildmembers you would actually group with them and invite them to trials and maybe pvp groups or maybe help the through dungeons rather than sticking your hands out asking for money

Funkopotamus

You seem angry..

Let it out.
Lean on my shoulder.
There you go....
Yes release it all......
../Hands OP a tissue..

There now don't you feel better?

Callous2208

There are 2 threads about this very topic, on the first page of the forums. Both are currently very active.
Now that I got that out of the way. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Not every guild is the same and experiences may vary. Your assumption about all trade guilds and guild leaders being this way is not true. Again, I am sorry for what ever grief this corrupt guild may have caused you.

Cadbury

That's Big Business for you, Always bringing down small business owners.

charisma316

Callous2208 wrote: »

There are 2 threads about this very topic, on the first page of the forums. Both are currently very active.
Now that I got that out of the way. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Not every guild is the same and experiences may vary. Your assumption about all trade guilds and guild leaders being this way is not true. Again, I am sorry for what ever grief this corrupt guild may have caused you.

actually nothing happened to me i just know most of the consol guild leaders and know how they make money and i was asked to say i won a guild raffle so the guild leaders didnt have to pay out prizes they never had

Callous2208

charisma316 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

There are 2 threads about this very topic, on the first page of the forums. Both are currently very active.
Now that I got that out of the way. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Not every guild is the same and experiences may vary. Your assumption about all trade guilds and guild leaders being this way is not true. Again, I am sorry for what ever grief this corrupt guild may have caused you.

actually nothing happened to me i just know most of the consol guild leaders and know how they make money and i was asked to say i won a guild raffle so the guild leaders didnt have to pay out prizes they never had

Um...so something did happen to you....right? They are corrupt and asked you to lie for them. All I am saying is not every guild is like this. Hate to be "that guy," but I have not encountered this behavior at all on pc trade guilds. I'm sure it exists though. Scumbags are everywhere.

I'd quietly let everyone else in the guild know this is happening and what they asked you to do. Let these scrubs and their crappy leadership implode.

Cadbury

charisma316 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

There are 2 threads about this very topic, on the first page of the forums. Both are currently very active.
Now that I got that out of the way. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Not every guild is the same and experiences may vary. Your assumption about all trade guilds and guild leaders being this way is not true. Again, I am sorry for what ever grief this corrupt guild may have caused you.

actually nothing happened to me i just know most of the consol guild leaders and know how they make money and i was asked to say i won a guild raffle so the guild leaders didnt have to pay out prizes they never had

Ouch, that's harsh. Sounds like a guild that isn't worth your time. Sorry that happened to you

LEGENDARYYY

You on EU PC? You could join my 100% non-profit trade guilds

I created them because what you describe here happened to me, GMs were filling their own pockets.

Funkopotamus

charisma316 wrote: »

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[SNIP]

PS: I do agree that the trade system in this game is borked, but I do not agree with you saying that every guild is out to get us.. I know of 3 right off the top that are ran very well and the guild trader system works fine for them..

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Cadbury

Funkopotamus wrote: »

charisma316 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

You seem angry..

Let it out.
Lean on my shoulder.
There you go....
Yes release it all......
../Hands OP a tissue..

There now don't you feel better?

...

[SNIP]


PS: I do agree that the trade system in this game is borked, but I do not agree with you saying that every guild is out to get us.. I know of 3 right off the top that are ran very well and the guild trader system works fine for them..

Chillax, broski

OP is just venting, something many of us do from time to time.

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Kuroinu

Convert every Guild Trader NPC into their own separate auction houses that any player can buy or sell at. It's clear that there is problems with the current system even if it is tolerable by some.

Callous2208

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

Convert every Guild Trader NPC into their own separate auction houses that any player can buy or sell at. It's clear that there is problems with the current system even if it is tolerable by some.

That's the other thread. This one is specifically about OP and what happened to him at the hands of a bunch of lowlifes.

Epona222

Ill-informed and incorrect rubbish.

Zorrashi

I know you are bound to disagree, BUT:
While some people certainly do view raffles and weekly/monthly gold dues as exploitation/corruption, you have to remember that there exists several people who do willingly because they genuinely believe that it helps the guild. (not to mention that hardly can dues be considered exploitation if that participation is consensual and without harassment. And of course everyone is against rigged raffles).
It is unreasonable to enter their guild, whom have their own rules (often in the guild advertisement/description), dislike it and then continue to bash it like it is inherently wrong to run it that way. I'm not saying its not ok to dislike it. You can and that's totally your right and prerogative. Power to you. But then to go on and bash that system you dislike (by personal preference) as being inherently wrong (or corrupt, as you call it) is...well, unseemly. Especially if you are extending your definition of corrupt to the rest of the guilds in the game (or 95%).

It is also important to remember that there do exist a substantial number of guilds that do not require anything from their members (aside from perhaps logging in once a week). Some of them can occasionally be found operating a side-of-the-road or road-less-traveled kiosks.

And last but not least, in the strictest sense of the word, guilds only refer to a group of people who are united in a common goal. If a group of people are acting toward the goal of successful economic trade then they are no more less of a guild than a raid guild or a PvE guild. Where they extend their community by raid invites and group invites, they do by bartering and comparing prices (often without a single word spoken)--but that does not make them 'not about community'.
There exist some people who want to trade without speaking to another human being and there are guilds that fill that need by requiring little to no social interaction by word and in so doing invite that usually secular person into being a part of the game and its community as a whole because the system encourages it--even if it is only in the smallest of ways.
If, however, participating in economics is your style of partaking in the community, then I am sure you are aware that there exists several guilds that see to those needs (PvE guilds, endgame guilds, PvP guilds).

TX11

Everyone here who is having issues with trading guilds charging exorbient rent and fees needs to send me a message on psn. Name is TX11. I will shoot you an invite to my guild. We are donation based NO FEES unless you want bank access then you must pay a 10k security deposit Which will be returned if you don't rob the guild. We have had a trader in wayrest every week except 3 since the games release. I run 2 guilds each close to 500. The main guild is a social guild not just a trading guild. Saturday night I hosted 2 groups for a clan night with 45 people all going into imperial city. If you are tired of trading guilds that treat you like a gold supply and not a person looking to have fun and just game send me a message and join Better Hide or Die. You won't regret it.

Server is NA PS4


^I posted this in the other thread. I don't like the fact you are saying all guild leaders and that you know all them on console. I don't know you. I have never taken nothing from my guild. I have paid out millions In raffle winnings. I encourage you to check us out if you are having trouble with corrupt guilds. Shoot me a message on psn.

Flaminir

Sorry... but when you spout a load of sweeping generalizations, tarring everybody with ludicrous claims of corruption then you're not going to get the majority to take you seriously.

I'm sure there are the odd one or two like that... the same as in real life, there are always the odd few bad apples, but the majority are sound... and its the same in the game.

All you need to do is find one of the decent trade guilds. There are many. If you're on EU/PC I can recommend many if you PM me.

But as a GM of a guild myself (Not a main trading guild... though we do have a decent trader each week) your claim of 'Fattening GM's pockets' quite frankly makes my blood boil.....

If you had even the slightest idea how much effort most GM's put into their guilds for the benefit of others... and how much of their own gold they put into the guilds and its members, then you would feel very ashamed of that comment!!! Personally I've made millions through hard work and genuine legitimate trading, and also given millions away in gear etc to help my guildies.

If you genuinely believe the nonsense in your post that everybody is bad and out to scam you then I feel sorry for you... and perhaps you would be happier with a single player game!

RatedChaotic

I've ran into alot of rip off guilds myself. The whole give us mats and earn guild points thing some guilds are doing. Seem to always be those 5 to 10 people I game with. Which is why I hate the eso monopoly game.

Gerardopg

Well maybe you just found a wrong guild, we have a main trader, nobody for us to give money to the guild, nobody force us to enter a raffle but, and we live pretty well of course if I have a good week I donate something for the guild and ever go into the raffle, last week I earn the raffle and believe I just to tink that raffle was a lie, but like I say if I make good money I donate because that serve me to manta in my trader, so indoor know anybody in the guild I haven't speak with the guild master a single time and I win the raffle and they gimme the price, nobody force us in to prices well maybe the market if you see something on the others traders around you of course you have to put in something similar or you will never sell, I had give very very small prices in some items went I really need the money and nobody in the guild tell me nothing about it, but I have been in guild the same as you describe so I understand you concerns, anyway if you're on Xbox na just tell me and I can send you an invite

alexandava

This may be a console issue only but as a casual player on ps4 I have a hard time staying in a trading guild. All the trading guilds I come across want members to to pay weekly fee of 5k-10k a week. I get that the guilds need to charge fees for members because how else can they bid on traders but it's a bit of a disappointment to casual players like myself who have to worry about paying these weekly fees or getting booted. I for whatever reason don't logon in for a week and can't pay my fee then find out I got kicked. Just want to be able to sell an item every now and again and not just to my guildies.

charisma316

Epona222 wrote: »

Ill-informed and incorrect rubbish.

nice factual base post its rubbish because why you dont agree with it but have no proof of evidence to support your reasoning im sorry im exposing your only way to rip people off by making a defacto trading guild

Turelus

This is a new and refreshing idea. I can't believe it was never discussed before.

PinoZino

Turelus wrote: »

This is a new and refreshing idea. I can't believe it was never discussed before.

I am surprised that nobody started with this idea before. Really.

zornyan

Erm people easily make millions from guild traders, a friend of mine has been grinding ic since ps4 release and he's up to about 2.4 million in profit from selling in the guild store.

That's just one person. Admittedly he's a lucky git as hrs managed to get several agility sets. But it's easily doable.

notimetocare

charisma316 wrote: »

Guild Traders are a waste of gold you spend millions for a week of selling stuff which if you do the math nobody and I mean NOBODY sells millions in merchandise the guild traders who claim to do so are liars there are really only a handful full of various items that people buy and even the most heavy dedicated farmer will not sell enough to garner a million gold or more gold price

Not Too Mention Tradings Guild are CORRUPT and yes 95% of them the whole rent for being a member to fatten the pockets of guild masters and there whole rigged system of raffles which i know people who were patsies and made pawns to say they won prizes in these raffles when in actually they didnt win anything at all and shared in the guild donation profits to claim they won

if you enter raffles and donate do at your own accord because really all you are doing is giving gold to the guildmaster

And of course there will be people who claim oh not my guild are raffles are legit dont bother nobody is ever gonna admit to wrongdoing

And the trading guild thing is essence is wrong and promotes people to sit around and find bugs glitches and ways to manipulate the system of fake money

Guilds are meant for Grouping and community and friends not setting up some fake gold Mafia where all you do is buy and sell in game items

If these Guildmasters were actually for there guildmembers you would actually group with them and invite them to trials and maybe pvp groups or maybe help the through dungeons rather than sticking your hands out asking for money

1. Farming does not make the best gold. Getting the right items does. People make millions in the guild stores or bids wouldn't be pushing 2mil + for some traders.
2. 521.96.23% of statistics are made up. Also you are a liar. Are some corrupt? Yes, it is bound to happen, but almost all? Nope. Again, you wouldn't have million+ gold bids if that was true. You know it happened once, therefore its almost universally true?
3. Nope.
4. I will claim mine are legit because I have won a handful of times.
5. No, it gives game play to people interested in investing time.
6. You do realize the concept of guilds in Elder Scroll has always been about profession right? Thieves Guild, Mages, fighters, lore mention crafter guilds.
7. Not everyone does that kind of content. Many trade guilds don't even ask for money, they buy cheaper traders with whatever the guild taxes pull in (money taken and added to t he guild bank based off of what most games cut and delete).


Clearly you are just a complainer. The system is fine aside from bugs in the ui. Note that only a handful of traders go for over a million. When my trade guild loses the ideal trader for a week, we often get a random one for less than 500g. The guild bank sits at like 4mil ATM. You rant but understand almost nothing. Just quit.

charisma316

Flaminir wrote: »

Sorry... but when you spout a load of sweeping generalizations, tarring everybody with ludicrous claims of corruption then you're not going to get the majority to take you seriously.

I'm sure there are the odd one or two like that... the same as in real life, there are always the odd few bad apples, but the majority are sound... and its the same in the game.

All you need to do is find one of the decent trade guilds. There are many. If you're on EU/PC I can recommend many if you PM me.

But as a GM of a guild myself (Not a main trading guild... though we do have a decent trader each week) your claim of 'Fattening GM's pockets' quite frankly makes my blood boil.....

If you had even the slightest idea how much effort most GM's put into their guilds for the benefit of others... and how much of their own gold they put into the guilds and its members, then you would feel very ashamed of that comment!!! Personally I've made millions through hard work and genuine legitimate trading, and also given millions away in gear etc to help my guildies.

If you genuinely believe the nonsense in your post that everybody is bad and out to scam you then I feel sorry for you... and perhaps you would be happier with a single player game!

cool story your blood boils because why when guild traders are gone you will actually have to play the game to make fake money

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angelyn

Since there seem to be a few of these threads going around lately, I'll just post what I said on one of the other ones.

angelyn wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Remove guild traders, Replace it with centralized trader I.E. an auction house. Then increase the sales tax by 20% to make sure theres limited inflation. Guild traders are a broken system where the rich get richer and guild leads can sit back while 499 people work for them. Please put an end to ESO corporate welfare they don't share the profits in real life why would they in a video game.

You are at best, using a bad experience to tar all trading guilds with the same brush, at worse you are completely misinformed and spreading false information.

I'm not sure what guilds you have been part of, but as an officer in a fantastic trade guild I would like to point some things out:

-We don't charge weekly fees
-We don't charge joining fees
-We don't set prices for guild members to sell at
-We accept members of any level and any faction
-The house cut is not set by the guild. It is set by ZOS as a gold sink.
- I can only assume you are referring to the house cut when you talk about the rich getting richer.Guild sales tax does not go into the pockets of GM or officers.
- Most of the sales tax disappears into the ZOS gold sink hole, the rest goes back into the guild bank(to be used to hire kiosks)
- Anyone of our members can look at out guild bank history and they will not see GM/Officers stuffing their pockets with the work of 499 people as you so inaccurately put it.
- GM and officers donate their time,money and items to support the guild and keep it alive.
- Our members also voluntarily donate funds/items etc to keep the guild alive.
- The reason our members voluntarily support the guild, is because we provide a welcoming,helpful atmosphere for them to trade, and they want to help ensure that the guild keeps going.
- It takes work to manage a guild, those who do this do it voluntarily and for free

Just in case you say because I'm an officer, I'm in on the conspiracy you've suggested above : I was a member in the guild a long time before being promoted, as most officers were.

There are good guilds out there , please don't tar them all with the same brush. Remember that the house cut you pay, when making a sale is not set/demanded by gm/officers-it's implemented by ZOS.

EDIT : FYI we are on PC and my playstyle does lean towards casual

BuggeX

So you allready give you govermant Money for nothing in exchnage, why are you so mad about it in a game?

Carter_DC

Chill out guys, i believe this was a roleplay post.

(sry dude conspiracy roleplay is on the other forum... this one is too corrupt for you )

JKorr

charisma316 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

There are 2 threads about this very topic, on the first page of the forums. Both are currently very active.
Now that I got that out of the way. I'm sorry for what happened to you. Not every guild is the same and experiences may vary. Your assumption about all trade guilds and guild leaders being this way is not true. Again, I am sorry for what ever grief this corrupt guild may have caused you.

actually nothing happened to me i just know most of the consol guild leaders and know how they make money and i was asked to say i won a guild raffle so the guild leaders didnt have to pay out prizes they never had

So....ALL console guilds are corrupt. Good to know. Glad the console players have their own servers.

Or maybe you just know the bestest guildmasters in teh whole world. Sarcasm intended. I'm in 5 guilds. I pay no fees. At least one has a trader every week. Donations make it possible. I've sold stuff. Only the usual cost applied. Your experience was different but shouldn't be announced as being the truth for ALL console guilds and guildmasters.

PinoZino

In history and even in present times several men said...

"All [INSERT A ETHNICITY, RACE OR GROUP] are all bad. Yes all of them."

It were dangerous men.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

hey guys, I have been on PC since early access, and after the guild traders were put into place (and even before) people asked for a global auction house, when ZOS was more talkative back in the day they said that a Global Auction house would not work because it would cause too much undue stress on the Megaserver, and could cripple some applications....sooo we are not geting one. Just a FYI.

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