Hey guys I'm here from the dk party.. eh I mean thread. Just jumped in to say hi It's pretty dead at the DK party. Too many sober players who don't yell loud enough and still a bit shy. So whatever you guys got in your drink, we want that. TY for the warm welcome.

maboleth wrote: »

With 22,5k health in PVP I get 12,4k harness magicka and 5730 hardened ward.

yeah it's a bug, they said that in the patch note.

It’s plain stupid

What’s the point of releasing bugged shields for another PTS cycle? How they expect to get constructive feedback on new changes, if we can’t test them properly?

I do not understand why they make so many nerfs, when you can up the others? If you do not like shields - give other classes more sets to break through the shields. In the end, there are shields for everyone, just a sorcerer has 1 more. Payne, I do not feel logic!Seriously, it's already tiring to read the patch notes of PTS. I Just stop understanding what the developer is trying to achieve.
Dear developer! If you want me to play a glass cannon, be so kind as to give me the damage of a glass cannon! differently WHAT IN ALL THIS SENSE ?! Sorcerer is not the best damage dealer even among mana classes, so why should he be thinner than a stamina with such and such shields ?! Well, okay, there will be even 16-18k on the total (without error). Is it in your 1-2 beats with the new vulnerabilities of the shields?

In general, okay, I reached nirvana. Just I'll delete the TESO, I'll give my account to my little brother and I'll go wait for TES6. I'm not going to change to the night blade or anyone else. In the next patch, they will also be cut and reassembled. Good luck to all.

Biro123 wrote:

One about hardened ward scaling.. are they saying that the increased size applies to both you and pets now?

They were talking about the difference between Hardened Ward I, Hardened Ward II, Hardened Ward III, and Hardened Ward IV. On live, the percentage boost over baseline increases from 20% to 23% as you rank it up, but they're removing that. Presumably it will be a flat +20% regardless of the rank.

It still improves the base shield strength as you rank up, though, but I'm not sure of the exact numbers. Perhaps it starts at 32% of magicka, and maxes at 35% magicka? Well, one of the devs said the calculation factor was 0.35, but since the rank-up is 3.3% higher than it should be (bug), it sounds like it caps at 0.31 instead of 0.30, which is completely different from the 0.35 factor. Was the 0.35 after the 20% boost? Such details are difficult to test.

Boundless? Really? You make this a must-have with the shield changes, then give it the biggest duration nerf out of all class mobility skills, with no cost reduction to compensate??

Warden actually had a larger nerf, with Falcon's Swiftness going from 10 seconds to 4.

NyxWrench wrote: »

Boundless? Really? You make this a must-have with the shield changes, then give it the biggest duration nerf out of all class mobility skills, with no cost reduction to compensate??

Warden actually had a larger nerf, with Falcon's Swiftness going from 10 seconds to 4.

But wardens also have better ways to heal, something that sorcs lack good options for. On one hand Zeni says we shouldn't rely on wards only but then they continue to nerf what else we could use to survive.

They designed the class in a way that screams mobility, yet they do everything they can to not allow us to be faster than others. Boundless nerfed, hurricane equalised by a single jewelry trait, streak got fatigue costs and is too easily countered by gap closers or simply sprint (if streak works at all. I don't even care to use it anymore when a pebble lies around). Plus we neither have snares nor snare removal on our own skill trees.

Seems like they don't want us to use shields (gutted), heals (don't have good heals) or mobility (equalised and nerfed). So what shall we do?

Camb0Sl1ce wrote: »

Well now with rebate being useless for all sorc specs, stam, no pet, and pet. Maybe no pet sorc can get some sustain love and would help stam sorc as well, something like with a daedric summoning ability slotted increase your mag recovery and stam recovery by x amount.

On behalf of all pet sorcs, we hereby relinquish the useless sustain buffs you gave us (except for the clanfear one becuase that's actually nice for tanks) and surrender them to the benefit of our pet-less brothers in arms.

Literally we can already parse 25 million health dummys with no sustain issues...with blue food. that passive was also useless to us as pets hardly die on live unless a bug occurs or you neglect your shield too much. Now that they don't die...just get rid of that passive.

Edit: In exchange, we would like our pet-less brethren to stop calling us skill-less for using pets. especially now that they can't aggro anymore. That's just mean...waa

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

What about rebate now? It does nothing for stam sorcs, non-pet magsorcs and pve pet sorcs now. Can we finally change it to something useful that every sorc profits from?

Pets won't take damage only in the group content Rob listed. They will still be able to die in overland PvE, PvP, vMA, etc. It still exists, although I must admit my pets usually only die when I unsummon them upon entering a town/bank/trader, etc. So i'm not really getting much use of the passive as it is.

Feric51 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

What about rebate now? It does nothing for stam sorcs, non-pet magsorcs and pve pet sorcs now. Can we finally change it to something useful that every sorc profits from?

Pets won't take damage only in the group content Rob listed. They will still be able to die in overland PvE, PvP, vMA, etc. It still exists, although I must admit my pets usually only die when I unsummon them upon entering a town/bank/trader, etc. So i'm not really getting much use of the passive as it is.

Okay, missed the vma part. But I still think petsorcs can bear the loss of rebate in overland content. This passive is just to niché now.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

NyxWrench wrote: »

Boundless? Really? You make this a must-have with the shield changes, then give it the biggest duration nerf out of all class mobility skills, with no cost reduction to compensate??

Warden actually had a larger nerf, with Falcon's Swiftness going from 10 seconds to 4.

But wardens also have better ways to heal, something that sorcs lack good options for. On one hand Zeni says we shouldn't rely on wards only but then they continue to nerf what else we could use to survive.

They designed the class in a way that screams mobility, yet they do everything they can to not allow us to be faster than others. Boundless nerfed, hurricane equalised by a single jewelry trait, streak got fatigue costs and is too easily countered by gap closers or simply sprint (if streak works at all. I don't even care to use it anymore when a pebble lies around). Plus we neither have snares nor snare removal on our own skill trees.

Seems like they don't want us to use shields (gutted), heals (don't have good heals) or mobility (equalised and nerfed). So what shall we do?

I was only correcting the mistaken assertion regarding who got the biggest duration nerf in these changes to major expedition. My reply to Biro123 has nothing to do with wards or healing or anything else.

Time for the first part of feedback for 4.2.2

Shields without cast time feels normal, the shield size and strength is negligible for survival in PVP however.

As of now PVP 40.9 magicka and 22.7 health shield size is 4700 on conjured ward, hardened ward does 5000.
If i am getting hit with so much as a stick the shield is burst in one shoot 20k spell resistance and 15k physical resistance, crit resist 1,1k.

In my opinion 300 extra shield is worth nothing and in every situation conjured is better for extra sustain. Plays well in Zerg

In PVE the shield is slightly bigger 7200 conjured and 7800 hardened on the same setup with same resistances still gone in one shoot unless its a crab or rat than maybe two.

Went in to Cyro no one there, BGs are not active not possible to test properly, only few duels and again as before sorc is minced meat in just few seconds. Weaker shields are not enough to go turn the fight around. Using streak same old problem. to outrun 1 gap closer i need two streaks cost vs benefit 8k magica for no benefit at all, recovery animation from streak is slow opponent can break and gap close you before you can cast second streak. unless enemy is complete potato and allows sorc to be constantly on offensive there is no way to win.

Sorc is now nominated to the circus freak in PVE and a zerg surfer in PVP.
As again excellent job ZOS, subscriptions already cancelled so not much else i can do.

Minalan wrote: »

Sebar80 wrote: »

Time for the first part of feedback for 4.2.2

Shields without cast time feels normal, the shield size and strength is negligible for survival in PVP however.

As of now PVP 40.9 magicka and 22.7 health shield size is 4700 on conjured ward, hardened ward does 5000.
If i am getting hit with so much as a stick the shield is burst in one shoot 20k spell resistance and 15k physical resistance, crit resist 1,1k.

In my opinion 300 extra shield is worth nothing and in every situation conjured is better for extra sustain. Plays well in Zerg

In PVE the shield is slightly bigger 7200 conjured and 7800 hardened on the same setup with same resistances still gone in one shoot unless its a crab or rat than maybe two.

Went in to Cyro no one there, BGs are not active not possible to test properly, only few duels and again as before sorc is minced meat in just few seconds. Weaker shields are not enough to go turn the fight around. Using streak same old problem. to outrun 1 gap closer i need two streaks cost vs benefit 8k magica for no benefit at all, recovery animation from streak is slow opponent can break and gap close you before you can cast second streak. unless enemy is complete potato and allows sorc to be constantly on offensive there is no way to win.

Sorc is now nominated to the circus freak in PVE and a zerg surfer in PVP.
As again excellent job ZOS, subscriptions already cancelled so not much else i can do.

They acknowledged the shield cap and battle spirit issue, when fixed it should be about the same size as PVE.

Still about the third of previous size and it seems almost anything in PVE one shoots it anyway, and pve monsters don't crit.

Also it begs the question how they released something broken like this for testing, we are going to get one more pts week and then they will released something complete broken to live. The sheer incompetence is just mind boggling.

There should be an emergency hot fix for PTS in the matter of hours, but no we will have to wait for the week while testing new crown items.