PTS Update 20 - Feedback Thread for Sorcerer

StamWhipCultist

Derra wrote: »

Atleast i´d be able to write an elaborate argument around that - i guess.

ah, so you admit being biased over the top, but being native english speaker somehow makes it right argument.
Awesome.

Derra

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atleast i´d be able to write an elaborate argument around that - i guess.

ah, so you admit being biased over the top, but being native english speaker somehow makes it right argument.
Awesome.

In fact i could provide direct evidence in this very topic that would prettymuch counter any point of the hyperbole you posted to discredit my argument.
But i think at this point that´s a futile attempt.

Also i´m not a native english speaker.

StamWhipCultist

Derra wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Atleast i´d be able to write an elaborate argument around that - i guess.

ah, so you admit being biased over the top, but being native english speaker somehow makes it right argument.
Awesome.

In fact i could provide direct evidence in this very topic that would prettymuch counter any point of the hyperbole you posted to discredit my argument.
But i think at this point that´s a futile attempt.

Also i´m not a native english speaker.

Post it then. direct evidence you need huge boost in range.

Derra

I did.

StamWhipCultist

Derra wrote: »

I did.

What you did post is more than biased.
You even compared it with volatile armor, showing lack of understanding of both Sorc and DK.
Unlike boundless storm, volatile beside very weak dot that is magicka based 9 so have zero synergy with DK, both stamina or magicka), does not provide anything that boundless already do not have. Both do give users majjor resistance buffs, but boundless also have short time major expedition on it and its shock damage, having great synergy with sorcerer and its passives, as seen from being able to trigger passive execute.
Boundless is good skill, with good range. For mine campers is more than enough range, for all other PvP scenarios - its good as well.

Derra

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You even compared it with volatile armor, showing lack of understanding of both Sorc and DK
[...]
Boundless is good skill, with good range. For mine campers is more than enough range, for all other PvP scenarios - its good as well.

That´s why 9 out of 10 good sorcs do not slot boundless storm and every magDK slots volatile armor. Understood.

I play both classes. I have two magDKs and three magSorcs. There is a reason why i don´t touch boundless on sorc and volatile is a nobrainer on DK.

But then i don´t know what i´m talking about apparently. #stamwhip

StamWhipCultist

Derra wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You even compared it with volatile armor, showing lack of understanding of both Sorc and DK
[...]
Boundless is good skill, with good range. For mine campers is more than enough range, for all other PvP scenarios - its good as well.

That´s why 9 out of 10 good sorcs do not slot boundless storm and every magDK slots volatile armor. Understood.

I play both classes. I have two magDKs and three magSorcs. There is a reason why i don´t touch boundless on sorc and volatile is a nobrainer on DK.

But then i don´t know what i´m talking about apparently. #stamwhip

You really do not understand. Good sorcs up to now did not need to slot boundless, since shields were enough. Next patch, seems they will have to do so.

Also, comparing very mobile class that can use skill to make distance and kite multiple enemies with a DK that is very slow, and without good escape mechanisms.

Chilly-McFreeze

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You even compared it with volatile armor, showing lack of understanding of both Sorc and DK
[...]
Boundless is good skill, with good range. For mine campers is more than enough range, for all other PvP scenarios - its good as well.

That´s why 9 out of 10 good sorcs do not slot boundless storm and every magDK slots volatile armor. Understood.

I play both classes. I have two magDKs and three magSorcs. There is a reason why i don´t touch boundless on sorc and volatile is a nobrainer on DK.

But then i don´t know what i´m talking about apparently. #stamwhip

You really do not understand. Good sorcs up to now did not need to slot boundless, since shields were enough. Next patch, seems they will have to do so.

Also, comparing very mobile class that can use skill to make distance and kite multiple enemies with a DK that is very slow, and without good escape mechanisms.

Tried slotting your class gap closer for those mobile kiters?

Derra

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You even compared it with volatile armor, showing lack of understanding of both Sorc and DK
[...]
Boundless is good skill, with good range. For mine campers is more than enough range, for all other PvP scenarios - its good as well.

That´s why 9 out of 10 good sorcs do not slot boundless storm and every magDK slots volatile armor. Understood.

I play both classes. I have two magDKs and three magSorcs. There is a reason why i don´t touch boundless on sorc and volatile is a nobrainer on DK.

But then i don´t know what i´m talking about apparently. #stamwhip

You really do not understand. Good sorcs up to now did not need to slot boundless, since shields were enough. Next patch, seems they will have to do so.

Also, comparing very mobile class that can use skill to make distance and kite multiple enemies with a DK that is very slow, and without good escape mechanisms.

No you do not understand.

I´ve provided numerical evidence comparing it to mirror skills of other classes showcasing that boundless storm is too expensive.
Then i´ve made an argument that the range on boundless storm is insufficient - based on the assumed function of countering melee opponents (it does not reliably hit them because some melee attacks have a higher range and certain builds can entirely fight at that range - counteracting that function of the skill).
Edit: This is not even going into the schizophrenic nature of the skill being 5m range but then providing function (expedition on cast) to actively get out of that range.
Afterwards i´ve adressed the point brought up by you that links the skill to the execute of a passive - which is hardly an argument to make in a discussion about a skill. Comparatively the passives associated with templar or DK are subjectively more useful aswell - but that´s a strawman that has nothing to do with discussing the skill.
Last but not least to adress the (irrelevant) passive argument again i´ve said that the passive is bad designed and does not fit into the game (same argument as passive dodge).

Making a lackluster skill mandatory in a classes toolkit does not make it any less bad comparatively.

And you tell me i don´t understand what i´m talking about when everything you bring up is either anecdotal, ad hominem or a strawman argument?

StamWhipCultist

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

Illuvatarr

If you arent slotting boundless storm now as well as empowered ward, you are doing yourself a disservice. Better to learn to play with them now.

I would be slotting the healing pet but it takes two slots so waiting to see what they are going to do about that.

Derra

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

To the stamwhip i can just say - what do you expect. You set the tone in that regard.

To your other point. I do see the whole class and passives. Just if i´d make that into an argument it would make my whole point stronger not weaker - because either templar focus or DK volatile fit wonderfully with the whole classes concept (which is why they´re widely used on those).
Boundless storm does not for sorc - and making it mandatory to slot does not change that.

I compared purely skills because it´s the most unbiased argument i could make. Comparing the whole toolkit just makes boundless worse and focus/volatile even better.
So if i´d do that you´d be sitting here saying - i´m biased because i don´t look at what the skill provides but instead at the whole class. Which is why i say it´s irrelevant and a strawman.

Aedaryl

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

StamWhipCultist

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Feanor

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

StamWhipCultist

Feanor wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

if u want helping hands, roll DK.

ku5h

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

if u want helping hands, roll DK.

Same to you if you want executes, roll a Sorc.
I think this guy is just a troll derailing the whole tread and should be ignored.

Maulkin

ku5h wrote: »

I think this guy is just a troll derailing the whole tread and should be ignored.

slowly, you are catching on.

cpuScientist

ANYWAYS!!!!

Bar space is now super duper tight. Still have no dot on there. Oh well. Going to have HAVE to use DSA staff to combine spam and cc. Going to have to use boundless. Then take a look at whether we prefer a hot with rapid Regen or a second shield. Then for gear still need LICH, NEED IT. And we will have to decide if we want another sustain set or a defense set such as brass or impreg. Then for monster set we should since we are losing Stam Regen from amber plasm. Probably go bloodspawn or engine guardian. Either these changes and put a Stam Regen glyph on one Jewelry piece perhaps make it infused.

This is because max mag builds while helping our offense will no longer help our defense. Unless we I dunno go a health set and then use necro. Boooooooo lol.

In my estimation, magSorcs will all have to play highish Stam with good Stam Regen and atleast one but maybe 2 defense sets and a sustain set, I personally don't see any build variety. And maybe 1 shield for a hot a weak pathetic hot. It's either rapid Regen or critsurge can't have both without giving up more of our limitied offense.

Good sorcs will still be able to cook potatoes. But that's about it now. Why bring inr in your small man? And why solo in them unless you just like punishment or really love the class I guess haha. Oh well. I'm sure people will find something that kinda works well enough to be passable.

But a weaker setup in PvP had just gotten alot a ton weaker and less fun. GG ZOS!!

Enslaved

ku5h wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

if u want helping hands, roll DK.

Same to you if you want executes, roll a Sorc.
I think this guy is just a troll derailing the whole tread and should be ignored.

Someone opposed a sorc buff that derra wanted, must be a troll. Lol, what level of reasoning.

Lifsteinn

My feedback is: I don't like the shield's cast time. This is bad in both PvP and pve.
The overload change looks fine, maybe lower the cost.
Sorcs need more sustain.
Nice change on crystal fragment icon! Thanks.

Please remember: Do NOT ruin PvE because of PvP. This is a general advice. Thanks.

Derra

Enslaved wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

if u want helping hands, roll DK.

Same to you if you want executes, roll a Sorc.
I think this guy is just a troll derailing the whole tread and should be ignored.

Someone opposed a sorc buff that derra wanted, must be a troll. Lol, what level of reasoning.

I´m simply pointing out underperforming skills.
Boundless storm is the only armor buff that´s weak enough (especially when considering the whole class toolkit) for people to consider chudan monsterset over slotting the skill.

Either the other armor buffs are too good - or boundless is too weak.

Then no points regarding my argument about the skill gets adressed. The only actual counterargument is a strawman over a related passive. How can you argue it´s not trolling?

Ranger209

<Jedi mind trick on> "Shields on live are fine" <Jedi mind trick off>

Somewhere

Derra wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

if u want helping hands, roll DK.

Same to you if you want executes, roll a Sorc.
I think this guy is just a troll derailing the whole tread and should be ignored.

Someone opposed a sorc buff that derra wanted, must be a troll. Lol, what level of reasoning.

I´m simply pointing out underperforming skills.
Boundless storm is the only armor buff that´s weak enough (especially when considering the whole class toolkit) for people to consider chudan monsterset over slotting the skill.

Either the other armor buffs are too good - or boundless is too weak.

Then no points regarding my argument about the skill gets adressed. The only actual counterargument is a strawman over a related passive. How can you argue it´s not trolling?

People really get riled up by that rng execute. I've seen so many people complain about it on the forums. Like that passive alone is justified in hating the class, when honestly I'm pretty sure barely any sorc even cares about it. From pvp point of view you can't even rely upon it getting you a kill, and if it does it just annoys the other player. Pve it doesn't even add much dps, it's a bad passive and needs to go.

StamWhipCultist

Derra wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

ku5h wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You compared skills and only skills, without seeing class as a whole, making your arguments weaker and biased. Also, since you mention ad hominem, your #stamwhip comments are just that. Have a moderately nice day.

What ?

Volite armor have more than double damage, have double range, give you 12% more healing, and cost 1.1k+ less than boundless storm.

Boundless storm can proc an execute that will not kill people since sorc already have an execute that proc when going under 20% and sorc have 7.5s of major exepdition, which is useless wihthout snare immunity and regarding the cost of it.

This is biased ?

Let's look the class at a whole :

• Sorc is a ranged class and DK a melee one. Why DK fighting melee has the double range than the class fighting at range ?
  
• Sorc is harder to sustain than DK, why the sorc skill cost 1.1k+ more than the DK one for a lesser version ?

Can you tell me why the sorc skill should cost 1.1k+ more, having far less damage, giving far less usefull passive boost, and having 2x less the range ?

Can you tell me why one class should have active and passive execute and some other class should have zero executes?
No, you cant. yet you want to have cheapest skills and greatest range on them since you are biased, same as that other dude.

Since you seem to think Implosion is such an awesome passive, I’d trade Helping Hands for it. Deal?

if u want helping hands, roll DK.

Same to you if you want executes, roll a Sorc.
I think this guy is just a troll derailing the whole tread and should be ignored.

Someone opposed a sorc buff that derra wanted, must be a troll. Lol, what level of reasoning.

I´m simply pointing out underperforming skills.
Boundless storm is the only armor buff that´s weak enough (especially when considering the whole class toolkit) for people to consider chudan monsterset over slotting the skill.

Either the other armor buffs are too good - or boundless is too weak.

Then no points regarding my argument about the skill gets adressed. The only actual counterargument is a strawman over a related passive. How can you argue it´s not trolling?

You say zos should buff skill sorcererer have on its disposal to be at least as good as dk skill. I say its not needed due to how other skills in sorcerer/dk arsenal work in more or less synergy with eachother.
You bring all down to level of personal attacks, since all you have left in that argument is making fun of one who called your buff cryout biased.

Also, you wrote that DK passives are good - well newsflash, DK class reps and community playing DKs as one of biggest issues with DK point out dated and useless passives.

I understand that shield nerfs will shift meta in gear and skills sorcs use, but asking for buffs on a skill like boundless are plain and simpe bs.

Ask yourself, what is the role of sorc in PvE and PvP?
Are you a melee brawler or main trial tank?
Why would a class able to kill others from 41 meters need more range on boundless storm?
Unlike sorc, DK is melee ranged unit, skills it has work on melee range, it is described as "tanky, stand your ground" class.

One more question. Will you settle down before sorc has all of its skills cheapest or most damaging compared to other classes?

You do not desire balance, you want to have advantage in all aspects to all other classes.

Priyasekarssk

D0PAMINE wrote: »

So @ZOS_RobGarrett are you reading all these posts?

Nope discussing how to buff NBs.

Priyasekarssk

Minalan wrote: »

@ZOS_RobGarrett

Remember this genius work of yours when the company releases it's flagging subscription numbers internally. Or when they posts up results for next quarter, and everyone is trying to figure out why crown sales are so much lower.

When you're collecting your things from your desk and putting them in a box, I want you to remember this moment.

There's no convincing stupid that it's being stupid, especially when compounded with ignorant and stubborn. I'm through trying to reason or bargain with you guys. I honestly hope this works out for you in the end, but it's not looking good.

Zos is incompetent nor honest. If they want to truly balance the game they will conduct dueling tournaments and make decisions based on actual facts. Corruption. Streamers money. I cannot explain anyway to this completely biased class balance. Time to move on. Game became a trash.

Derra

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

One more question. Will you settle down before sorc has all of its skills cheapest or most damaging compared to other classes?

You do not desire balance, you want to have advantage in all aspects to all other classes.

Can you quote me or point out to me where i said anything like that?
Otherwise i´d have to consider that as baiting/trolling because it´s clearly posted with no intent of a rational discussion.

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

Also, you wrote that DK passives are good - well newsflash, DK class reps and community playing DKs as one of biggest issues with DK point out dated and useless passives.

No. You need to learn to actually read what is written and try really hard to understand what you read.
I wrote that the DK passive associated with volatile armor is arguably way better than the passive execute that sorc gets on boundless.
I never spoke about all dk passives.

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

You say zos should buff skill sorcererer have on its disposal to be at least as good as dk skill. I say its not needed due to how other skills in sorcerer/dk arsenal work in more or less synergy with eachother.
You bring all down to level of personal attacks, since all you have left in that argument is making fun of one who called your buff cryout biased.

Ok lets turn it around.
Explain to me why sorc should have the worst armorbuff (cost and effects) that offers no actual synergie with how the class plays and the secondary function does not even work reliably?
You´re just biased against sorcs?

Galarthor

Derra is not one to ask for unwarranted buffs.
His suggested balance changes oftentimes fall short of what is needed simply b/c he does not want to overbuff sorcs - probably also b/c he knows the backlash he will receive for asking for quality of life improvements for sorcs in the first place. So I find this accusation pretty ridiculous!

StamWhipCultist

Sorc has very good mobility. Way better that DK or templar.
Sorc has double executes, active and passive.
Sorc will still have one more solid shield compared to some other classes, shield that also help its pets.
I dont see why boundless storm is such a big deal for Derra to point that out as some major flaw.
I mean, it last 23 seconds, its not like spammable where 200-300 cost reduction would be major thing.
Its radius is realistic for a class like sorcerer. Why would you want more than 5 meters anyways?
As I said, what playstyle you need more than 5 meter for?