Can a Dev clarify how "tradeskill" affects Master Writ drop rates

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@Bel_Shezzar at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3656134#Comment_3656134 wrote:
Tradeskill mastery (which determines your odds of receiving a master writ from a top tier writ reward box) is meant to imply a long-term dedication to the craft. This varies from tradeskill to tradeskill.

For Blacksmithing, Clothier, and Woodworking, this means motif knowledge and overall completion of trait research. This does not include Crown-exclusive motifs or motifs for the 9 base player races. It focuses on motifs that take some effort to learn – like Xivkyn, or Minotaur, or Celestial.
For Provisioning, this is instead your collection of known purple and gold recipes as they are a strong overall representation of dedication to craft.
With Enchanting, we instead look at the total overall rune word translations you’ve completed on that character.
And with Alchemy, we look at how many reagents from which you’ve completely learned all effects.

Over time, the contributing factors for this may expand as the associated tradeskill mechanics do.
Can a Dev clarify if:
* The tradeskill is specifically within a crafting tree? For example, if Provisioning is maxed out, with lots of purple and gold recipes known, but no other crafting skills are trained, does that mean that character still has a good chance of getting Provisoning Master Writs in their provisioning reward boxes?
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* The tradeskill is a combination over all crafting trees. If that's the case, in the example above, the character would have nearly no chance of a Master Writ, as they only have 1 of 6 crafting trees maxed.
This would be very helpful to know!
Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on January 18, 2017 8:34PM
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  • essi2
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    Would also like to get a clear definition.

    My guess though would be that Motifs and Traits increase droprate for Clothier/Blacksmithing/Woodworking Master Writs - But do traits apply to all these crafts or just their respective craft?

    Recipes increase droprate for Provisioning Master Writs

    etc.
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    I would assume it was per tradeskill, but it's certainly an interesting question!
    Edited by Enodoc on January 18, 2017 11:12AM
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  • ztyhurstub17_ESO
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    I would like more info on this as well...

    - Is an individual Motif page enough to improve your drop rate, or does the calculation only look at the achievement for having all of the motif pages?

    - Does each known trait improve your chances, or does it look at items where you have researched all traits?

    - How much does each known purple and blue recipe affect the drop rate?
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    Icy wrote: »
    @Bel_Shezzar at https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3656134#Comment_3656134 wrote:
    Tradeskill mastery (which determines your odds of receiving a master writ from a top tier writ reward box) is meant to imply a long-term dedication to the craft. This varies from tradeskill to tradeskill.

    For Blacksmithing, Clothier, and Woodworking, this means motif knowledge and overall completion of trait research. This does not include Crown-exclusive motifs or motifs for the 9 base player races. It focuses on motifs that take some effort to learn – like Xivkyn, or Minotaur, or Celestial.
    For Provisioning, this is instead your collection of known purple and gold recipes as they are a strong overall representation of dedication to craft.
    With Enchanting, we instead look at the total overall rune word translations you’ve completed on that character.
    And with Alchemy, we look at how many reagents from which you’ve completely learned all effects.

    Over time, the contributing factors for this may expand as the associated tradeskill mechanics do.
    Can a Dev clarify if:
    * The tradeskill is specifically within a crafting tree? For example, if Provisioning is maxed out, with lots of purple and gold recipes known, but no other crafting skills are trained, does that mean that character still has a good chance of getting Provisoning Master Writs in their provisioning reward boxes?
    OR
    * The tradeskill is a combination over all crafting trees. If that's the case, in the example above, the character would have nearly no chance of a Master Writ, as they only have 1 of 6 crafting trees maxed.
    This would be very helpful to know!

    It would pertain to that crafting line based on their detailed explanation.

    For provisioning the more recipes known but doesn't dare his many rune stones are known.
    Really, I don't know.
  • Ourorboros
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    It's so incredibly easy to learn all plants and runes as compared to smithing skills that require both research and never ending new motifs. Does this 'learning curve' have any consideration in master writ drop rates? As an aside, equipment writs should be rewarded with much high number of writ vouchers, considering it not only takes longer to 'master' these crafts, but they also require constantly learning new motifs.
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  • Fudly_budly
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    I would assume it was per tradeskill, but it's certainly an interesting question!

    ^^
    Me as well and asking can't hurt. Would love a more fleshed explanation
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  • Catnight
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    Soo... to get a better chance of a Master Writ, Provisioners need to throw tousands of Gold out of the window to buy and learn Recipes they would never use? Well... bye, bye master writ.
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  • Alpheu5
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    I stopped trying to learn all the new motifs after Xivkyn and Pact since there was no point in putting a bunch of effort into obtaining whole styles when all the armor I'd realistically use were BoE and BoP. So I guess I'm up a creek without a paddle in that regard.

    Good thing I've got Enchanting and Provisioning well-invested in, though.
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  • Icy
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    They’re measured individually, so from the example your investment in Provisioning would affect your odds of getting a Provisioning master writ and no other types.

    Also, as we’ve seen a lot of collective concern regarding the impact of motif knowledge on your odds of receiving the (very valuable) Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier Master Writs, we’d like to reiterate that motif knowledge is only one component. That knowledge shouldn’t make, or break, your chances of receiving Master Writs on its own, but it does significantly influence those chances.

    Woo! Thank you for letting us know!
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  • Taleof2Cities
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    code65536 wrote: »

    Regarding the motifs: Does each individual chapter count, or only fully completed motifs? I.e., would I be better off focusing on depth, hunting down the last couple of chapters that I'm missing from a style, or would I be better off going for breadth, trying to get as many chapters as possible, even if they are scattered between a variety of styles?

    Another great question which I would like to know as well.

    There are a couple of motifs that I'm very close to finishing the achievement ... but some motifs are easier to farm all the pages versus others.
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    code65536 wrote: »

    Regarding the motifs: Does each individual chapter count, or only fully completed motifs? I.e., would I be better off focusing on depth, hunting down the last couple of chapters that I'm missing from a style, or would I be better off going for breadth, trying to get as many chapters as possible, even if they are scattered between a variety of styles?

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    Also, as we’ve seen a lot of collective concern regarding the impact of motif knowledge on your odds of receiving the (very valuable) Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier Master Writs, we’d like to reiterate that motif knowledge is only one component. That knowledge shouldn’t make, or break, your chances of receiving Master Writs on its own, but it does significantly influence those chances.

    So people buying Crown Store exclusive motif styles, which are supposed to be purely cosmetic items, have better chances to get ingame items per Master Writs. (i.e. a person with all ingame motifs + CS motifs will get more writs > a person with all motifs available ingame). Interesting.

    Edit: Got it wrong, nevermind.
    Edited by Niaver on January 18, 2017 11:37PM
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    Niaver wrote: »
    So people buying Crown Store exclusive motif styles, which are supposed to be purely cosmetic items, have better chances to get ingame items per Master Writs. (i.e. a person with all ingame motifs + CS motifs will get more writs > a person with all motifs available ingame). Interesting.

    If you'll check the quote in the first post (from https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3656134#Comment_3656134) you'll see it says:

    "This does not include Crown-exclusive motifs or motifs for the 9 base player races."

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    Niaver wrote: »
    Also, as we’ve seen a lot of collective concern regarding the impact of motif knowledge on your odds of receiving the (very valuable) Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier Master Writs, we’d like to reiterate that motif knowledge is only one component. That knowledge shouldn’t make, or break, your chances of receiving Master Writs on its own, but it does significantly influence those chances.

    So people buying Crown Store exclusive motif styles, which are supposed to be purely cosmetic items, have better chances to get ingame items per Master Writs. (i.e. a person with all ingame motifs + CS motifs will get more writs > a person with all motifs available ingame). Interesting.

    Cs exclusive motifs are not considered, they stated that shortly after the patch notes.
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    Niaver wrote: »
    Also, as we’ve seen a lot of collective concern regarding the impact of motif knowledge on your odds of receiving the (very valuable) Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier Master Writs, we’d like to reiterate that motif knowledge is only one component. That knowledge shouldn’t make, or break, your chances of receiving Master Writs on its own, but it does significantly influence those chances.

    So people buying Crown Store exclusive motif styles, which are supposed to be purely cosmetic items, have better chances to get ingame items per Master Writs. (i.e. a person with all ingame motifs + CS motifs will get more writs > a person with all motifs available ingame). Interesting.

    Crown exclusive motifs do not count. Read the first comment.
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    Ok guys, got it, my bad, thanks. That's a really good decision by ZOS!
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    code65536 wrote: »
    They’re measured individually, so from the example your investment in Provisioning would affect your odds of getting a Provisioning master writ and no other types.

    Also, as we’ve seen a lot of collective concern regarding the impact of motif knowledge on your odds of receiving the (very valuable) Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier Master Writs, we’d like to reiterate that motif knowledge is only one component. That knowledge shouldn’t make, or break, your chances of receiving Master Writs on its own, but it does significantly influence those chances.

    Thanks for the response, @Bel_Shezzar

    Regarding the motifs: Does each individual chapter count, or only fully completed motifs? I.e., would I be better off focusing on depth, hunting down the last couple of chapters that I'm missing from a style, or would I be better off going for breadth, trying to get as many chapters as possible, even if they are scattered between a variety of styles?

    I, too, would love to know the answer to this question. I have some half completed and would like to know if that will make any difference at all.
  • Sounomi
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    dpencil wrote: »
    I personally think it's great for there to be an additional incentive to learn the various motifs.

    A change to the add-on API in this update seems to suggest that they're looking into the ability to convert grease to any style in the future. It's quite possible that all of this motif knowledge will mean something more in the future because of that.
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    Sounomi wrote: »
    dpencil wrote: »
    I personally think it's great for there to be an additional incentive to learn the various motifs.

    A change to the add-on API in this update seems to suggest that they're looking into the ability to convert grease to any style in the future. It's quite possible that all of this motif knowledge will mean something more in the future because of that.

    Grease? As in bottom-of-the-barrel-poisons solvent grease?
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »

    Grease? As in bottom-of-the-barrel-poisons solvent grease?

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    I actually don't like what I'm reading here.
    More information would be great...

    Btw. how does trait research plays into the drop rate / quality?

    @Bel_Shezzar :
    Could you please provide more information?
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    I actually don't like what I'm reading here.
    More information would be great...

    Btw. how does trait research plays into the drop rate / quality?

    @Bel_Shezzar :
    Could you please provide more information?

    From the quote at the top "For Blacksmithing, Clothier, and Woodworking, this means motif knowledge and overall completion of trait research" so now is the time to finish researching as many traits as possible.

    From my own look at completing Master Writs (once you've received them), some of the armour sets required to construct were definitely 9-trait sets, so get researching!
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    code65536 wrote: »
    They’re measured individually, so from the example your investment in Provisioning would affect your odds of getting a Provisioning master writ and no other types.

    Also, as we’ve seen a lot of collective concern regarding the impact of motif knowledge on your odds of receiving the (very valuable) Blacksmithing, Woodworking, and Clothier Master Writs, we’d like to reiterate that motif knowledge is only one component. That knowledge shouldn’t make, or break, your chances of receiving Master Writs on its own, but it does significantly influence those chances.

    Thanks for the response, @Bel_Shezzar

    Regarding the motifs: Does each individual chapter count, or only fully completed motifs? I.e., would I be better off focusing on depth, hunting down the last couple of chapters that I'm missing from a style, or would I be better off going for breadth, trying to get as many chapters as possible, even if they are scattered between a variety of styles?

    The answer to this question is probably the most desirable and anticipated for this entire update. Knowing if our chances are calculated per-page or per-complete-motif is extremely valuable information. @Bel_Shezzar pleeeeease shed some light on this!
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