Take the servers offline till the hack is fixed

DerpyShadowz · May 2016

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Bringing down the servers won't help. This is a 3rd party cheating program that they're using. Unless ZOS starts checking player's PC's for the hack, like SOE did with EverQuest, they're going g to be really hard pressed to put an end to this.

This and no company would bring servers down to them its a $$ loss, either they fix this by DLC release (Which is unlikely) or they continue along this path and face reality that less and less ppl will play or even tolerate it.

Its a $$ loss having no community too P:

Immortal_Dark410 · May 2016

I Highlander l wrote: »

Immortal_Dark410 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Bringing down the servers won't help. This is a 3rd party cheating program that they're using. Unless ZOS starts checking player's PC's for the hack, like SOE did with EverQuest, they're going g to be really hard pressed to put an end to this.

This and no company would bring servers down to them its a $$ loss, either they fix this by DLC release (Which is unlikely) or they continue along this path and face reality that less and less ppl will play or even tolerate it.

Its a $$ loss having no community too P:

yup which will prob happen if they dont do something and at least inform the player base that they are or have done something about these exploits & Exploiters.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is: Can it be fixed fast?

hey my swiss friend. the answer is very likely no.

the server would have to check all actions sent from the client -> more server load. do you think the servers can handle more at the moment? pvp lag when only 10 players are in cyro?

a client side cheat prevention will only make these cheats more difficult to achieve and more time consuming to implement, but every thing on the client can be manipulated. of course, the author of the tool has to know what he's doing and needs certain skills.

So this leads to the OP: So you don't want to play the game at all for the next few years?

Edit: Oh and btw. anyone want to bet if the bans for the cheaters will be longer than 3 days?;) I doubt it.

DeanTheCat · May 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is: Can it be fixed fast?

hey my swiss friend. the answer is very likely no.

the server would have to check all actions sent from the client -> more server load. do you think the servers can handle more at the moment? pvp lag when only 10 players are in cyro?

a client side cheat prevention will only make these cheats more difficult to achieve and more time consuming to implement, but every thing on the client can be manipulated. of course, the author of the tool has to know what he's doing and needs certain skills.

So this leads to the OP: So you don't want to play the game at all for the next few years?

Edit: Oh and btw. anyone want to bet if the bans for the cheaters will be longer than 3 days?;) I doubt it.

If it fixes all the issues with the game, why not?

And I bet you a crate of Skooma that no real action will be taken against the hackers.

Turelus · May 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Edit: Oh and btw. anyone want to bet if the bans for the cheaters will be longer than 3 days?;) I doubt it.

Zenimax bans people?

Jim_Pipp · May 2016

Just no. I can't help but feel there is a bit too much over-reacting going on. I am sure some players are more affected by this than me, but surely most players weren't vying for a spot on the leader boards, or could do something other than pvp.

Clearly the hacking is a problem, but it's not a problem directly affecting a large proportion of the player base. Obviously it will be addressed in time, but it is a bank holiday weekend so I hope most ZOS staff are off doing something awesome.

Let's not panic, in a couple of weeks this will be over and no-one will think of it as more than a funny event in the history of the game. (Hack wars book one).

Whatzituyah · May 2016

Turelus wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Edit: Oh and btw. anyone want to bet if the bans for the cheaters will be longer than 3 days?;) I doubt it.

Zenimax bans people?

Well ZOS has a double edge sword to deal with one side they have the legal issues if they say something and the other you have people who want proof but can't because that will involve revealing names.

ManwithBeard9 · May 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Just no. I can't help but feel there is a bit too much over-reacting going on. I am sure some players are more affected by this than me, but surely most players weren't vying for a spot on the leader boards, or could do something other than pvp.

Clearly the hacking is a problem, but it's not a problem directly affecting a large proportion of the player base. Obviously it will be addressed in time, but it is a bank holiday weekend so I hope most ZOS staff are off doing something awesome.

Let's not panic, in a couple of weeks this will be over and no-one will think of it as more than a funny event in the history of the game. (Hack wars book one).

Sounds line something a hacker would say.

In all seriousness, this is pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone. This is exposing holes in ZOS's client work which could lead ball to bits and other bs.

DeanTheCat · May 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Just no. I can't help but feel there is a bit too much over-reacting going on. I am sure some players are more affected by this than me, but surely most players weren't vying for a spot on the leader boards, or could do something other than pvp.

Clearly the hacking is a problem, but it's not a problem directly affecting a large proportion of the player base. Obviously it will be addressed in time, but it is a bank holiday weekend so I hope most ZOS staff are off doing something awesome.

Let's not panic, in a couple of weeks this will be over and no-one will think of it as more than a funny event in the history of the game. (Hack wars book one).

When all the hackers reap the benefits of their Harvest Bot materials and then uses their ill-gotten gains to drive up the market on Tempering Alloys, Rosin, Wax and Kuta, I think you'll be singing a different tune.

Also, the sheer influx of gold from such will send the economy into inflation, which will make gear unaffordable for the average legit player. This hack has a far deeper impact that what you see on the surface.

Lava_Croft · May 2016

Final nail in the coffin. Time to go six feet under.

Apocalypse1981 · May 2016

I understand OPs claim and everything but most ppl (like myself) dont care about vma or pvp in a competitive way.
I Live too far away from the servers to be any competitive at pvp so i just dont don it much.

Im a filthy casual who doesnt really care about the economy, pvp or vma and tbh we are most of the playerbase.

Most ppl are like myself, you think zos will endanger losing most of its playerbase because of some hardcore players?
What do you think will happen to casual players when they cant play the game for a week or more cause Zos wants to fix some hacks we dont even care about?

I understand you, i used to be hardcore but now i dont have time for it, i really know it sucks and its unfair.
But its eiher lose very few hardcore players or a lot of casuals.
Think of it from a business Point of view, what would you do?

Sorry, english isnt my native language.

Turelus · May 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Edit: Oh and btw. anyone want to bet if the bans for the cheaters will be longer than 3 days?;) I doubt it.

Zenimax bans people?

Well ZOS has a double edge sword to deal with one side they have the legal issues if they say something and the other you have people who want proof but can't because that will involve revealing names.

I have player multiple MMO's where they release the numbers of accounts banned, value of money taken, etc.
ZOS can easily talk about this, they just have an idiotic corporate leadership that doesn't understand how to run an MMO with communication.

Turelus · May 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Just no. I can't help but feel there is a bit too much over-reacting going on. I am sure some players are more affected by this than me, but surely most players weren't vying for a spot on the leader boards, or could do something other than pvp.

Clearly the hacking is a problem, but it's not a problem directly affecting a large proportion of the player base. Obviously it will be addressed in time, but it is a bank holiday weekend so I hope most ZOS staff are off doing something awesome.

Let's not panic, in a couple of weeks this will be over and no-one will think of it as more than a funny event in the history of the game. (Hack wars book one).

This is all coming one month after a previous exploit was handled abysmally.

It's no shock the the community is furious that this happens, and this kind of thing has been happening for two years with ZOS (seemingly) turning a blind eye and not giving a damn.

While I agree Dean's suggestion maybe a bit overkill they should at least be getting people out of bed and into the office or GM's active in game to manage this until something can be done. This isn't a simple little "oh noes one guy is using an exploit" it's becoming rampant abuse in all areas of the game.

Lava_Croft · May 2016

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Just no. I can't help but feel there is a bit too much over-reacting going on. I am sure some players are more affected by this than me, but surely most players weren't vying for a spot on the leader boards, or could do something other than pvp.

Clearly the hacking is a problem, but it's not a problem directly affecting a large proportion of the player base. Obviously it will be addressed in time, but it is a bank holiday weekend so I hope most ZOS staff are off doing something awesome.

Let's not panic, in a couple of weeks this will be over and no-one will think of it as more than a funny event in the history of the game. (Hack wars book one).

The hacking will not be fixed anytime soon and the hacking can be done by anyone, undetectable for ZOS. There's a good chance the hacking has been going on for ages already, since ZOS never really put a stop to it.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If it fixes all the issues with the game, why not?

There's no silver bullet. of course they can implement server side checks (did they move some of them back to the client, or why wasn't that an issue before? was simply no one interested in exploiting this?) but you won't get better performance with it, the opposite will be the case.

But well, maybe a bit more lag (or a ton more lag) is way better than what's going on right now (and maybe a good reason to finally quit eso).

Tandor · May 2016

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Just no. I can't help but feel there is a bit too much over-reacting going on. I am sure some players are more affected by this than me, but surely most players weren't vying for a spot on the leader boards, or could do something other than pvp.

Clearly the hacking is a problem, but it's not a problem directly affecting a large proportion of the player base. Obviously it will be addressed in time, but it is a bank holiday weekend so I hope most ZOS staff are off doing something awesome.

Let's not panic, in a couple of weeks this will be over and no-one will think of it as more than a funny event in the history of the game. (Hack wars book one).

Sounds line something a hacker would say.

In all seriousness, this is pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone. This is exposing holes in ZOS's client work which could lead ball to bits and other bs.

I disagree. Most aren't even playing on servers where it's a problem, and with those who are it's only those who play competitively or rely heavily on certain aspects of the economy who will be impacted by it. The overwhelming majority of players don't read the forums and probably aren't even aware of it. It's a serious issue for those who are affected by it, but it's not "pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone".

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

Tandor wrote: »

It's a serious issue for those who are affected by it, but it's not "pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone".

Had a good laugh.

in my opinion it's way worse than the crafting writs exploit and affects more people.

Every PVP player is f****d. Every competitive PVE player is *ucke*. And all the people that don't care or have no idea what's going aren't affected, right? Neither were they in previously mentioned crafting writs exploit, so i guess the amount of affected players is higher this time.

Vipstaakki · May 2016

Don't you dare to take the servers offline. I wanna play my Dark brotherhood. I don't care about being competitive neither do i care about PvP. In it for the fun and story.

Apocalypse1981 · May 2016

As i said earlier, most players are casuals. We honestly dont care about this issues. At least i know my friends and i dont.

Immortal_Dark410 · May 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Don't you dare to take the servers offline. I wanna play my Dark brotherhood. I don't care about being competitive neither do i care about PvP. In it for the fun and story.

Apocalypse1981 wrote: »

As i said earlier, most players are casuals. We honestly dont care about this issues. At least i know my friends and i dont.

Well at least your honest about your intentions lol

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO · May 2016

I've never used an exploit in many years of gaming, but I admit the thought of using this to get me Malestrom weapons crossed my mind briefly, I hate pve, this would be a blessing for me, and what, at worst I'd most likely get a 3 day ban, well worth it imo especially as the 1st week of a new DLC is hell anyhow.

So surely this is about keeping honest players honest, creating trust that we are on a level playing field, this needs fixing now but I doubt it will be.

Immortal_Dark410 · May 2016

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO wrote: »

I've never used an exploit in many years of gaming, but I admit the thought of using this to get me Malestrom weapons crossed my mind briefly, I hate pve, this would be a blessing for me, and what, at worst I'd most likely get a 3 day ban, well worth it imo especially as the 1st week of a new DLC is hell anyhow.

So surely this is about keeping honest players honest, creating trust that we are on a level playing field, this needs fixing now but I doubt it will be.

Ya to be honest whats sad for ZOS is the player base in itself has little or no more faith that things will be rectified or fixed and i dont think you can really blame them because no information is passed along if any action is taken. So it then becomes as if no action is being taken and thus players lose faith in any action being taken at all against exploiters.

Conquistador · May 2016

What hacks? Genuinely curious.

Tandor · May 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It's a serious issue for those who are affected by it, but it's not "pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone".

Had a good laugh. in my opinion it's way worse than the crafting writs exploit and affects more people.

Every PVP player is f****d. Every competitive PVE player is *ucke*. And all the people that don't care or have no idea what's going aren't affected, right? Neither were they in previously mentioned crafting writs exploit, so i guess the amount of affected players is higher this time.

Except that it doesn't affect every server, so not every PvP or competitive PvE player is affected. I don't doubt it's an important thing for those who are affected, but it isn't game-breaking for everyone, it really isn't.

Molag_Crow · May 2016

The other day on World of Wacraft, there was an exploit that made players's damage insanely high so they were abusing it in Arena to get 2.8k+ rating and abusing it in Mythic raids and other PvE content.... that only happened for about.. not even 2 days, and so what they did was a server restart and reset the progress from before the exploit happened, resulting in the exploiters losing their rating but they kept the achievements and items such as tabards, weapon enchants etc, even though they cheated.

Everyone was calling for perm bans on the forums but they didn't do anything, since back in the day, they would ban you for good if you did any exploits... so what's different today? well, we came to the conclusion that mostly all big online games won't perm ban players these days simply because they'll lose money.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · May 2016

Here's another issue. Now, I understand that you can't be in an enemy keep at all without it being flagged. This is ridiculous as there are times when I have had to AFK in a friendly keep and come back from afk to the keep being another color. (Yes, I hide if I have to go AFK. It is Cyrodil after all.) So, is this a hack? Or like last night, I was booted to the load screen during the battle at Roe. At the time that I was booted, the keep was half blue and half yellow. When the game let me back in, the keep was full yellow. There was only the NPCs in the keep besides myself. I did kill two of the NPCs and if I could have, I would have set up oils over the flags to wipe the rest of the NPCs. In both cases, I was legitimately in the keep before it flipped. I have a friend who accidentally dragon lept into a keep, and he was accused of hacking. Dragonknights have been leaping into the keeps since beta. It is part of being a dragonknight. All sides of the alliance war do it. Are you going to accuse all Dragonknights now?

What I am saying is learn what a hack /exploit is a leave the legitimate players alone.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

Tandor wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It's a serious issue for those who are affected by it, but it's not "pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone".

Had a good laugh. in my opinion it's way worse than the crafting writs exploit and affects more people.

Every PVP player is f****d. Every competitive PVE player is *ucke*. And all the people that don't care or have no idea what's going aren't affected, right? Neither were they in previously mentioned crafting writs exploit, so i guess the amount of affected players is higher this time.

Except that it doesn't affect every server, so not every PvP or competitive PvE player is affected. I don't doubt it's an important thing for those who are affected, but it isn't game-breaking for everyone, it really isn't.

Depends (and yes, my statement as well as yours are just opinions and not facts). I consider the writs exploit not as a big issue and the hotfix wasn't necessary (they had their "data" about the exploiters. unfortunately, they weren't consequent with banning the players). I still think that this cheat affects more players (even if only PC PVP and competitive PVE players are affected) than the previous.

Anyway, I have another question at that point. I'm not familiar with consoles (yes, master race and things like that, you know...), so tell me, isn't it possible to cheat there? I mean is it possible to run arbitrary applications on them (e.g. similar to an iOS jailbreaked device)? If so, you would have the exact same issue as well, besides chances are very low that currently anyone is exploiting it.

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Tommy1979AtWar · May 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It's a serious issue for those who are affected by it, but it's not "pretty game breaking for pretty much everyone".

Had a good laugh. in my opinion it's way worse than the crafting writs exploit and affects more people.

Every PVP player is f****d. Every competitive PVE player is *ucke*. And all the people that don't care or have no idea what's going aren't affected, right? Neither were they in previously mentioned crafting writs exploit, so i guess the amount of affected players is higher this time.

Except that it doesn't affect every server, so not every PvP or competitive PvE player is affected. I don't doubt it's an important thing for those who are affected, but it isn't game-breaking for everyone, it really isn't.

Depends (and yes, my statement as well as yours are just opinions and not facts). I consider the writs exploit not as a big issue and the hotfix wasn't necessary (they had their "data" about the exploiters. unfortunately, they weren't consequent with banning the players). I still think that this cheat affects more players (even if only PC PVP and competitive PVE players are affected) than the previous.

Anyway, I have another question at that point. I'm not familiar with consoles (yes, master race and things like that, you know...), so tell me, isn't it possible to cheat there? I mean is it possible to run arbitrary applications on them (e.g. similar to an iOS jailbreaked device)? If so, you would have there the exact same issue as well, besides chances are very low that currently no one is exploiting it.

I suppose it's probably technically possible yes but cheating on ESO isn't worth Sony bricking our PS4 and deleting our account.

RazielSR · May 2016

Sadly,this is just the beginning. Just wait and see when the poisons drops.

InvitationNotFound · May 2016

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I suppose it's probably technically possible yes but cheating on ESO isn't worth Sony bricking our PS4 and deleting our account.

sounds like even more fun to me.