Take the servers offline till the hack is fixed

VerboseQuips

As a player who just likes to explore the world and do solo PvE and doesn't care about competition so far... I have to say I quite dislike the idea of taking the servers offline because someone is cheating in PvP...

Molag_Crow

VerboseQuips wrote: »

As a player who just likes to explore the world and do solo PvE and doesn't care about competition so far... I have to say I quite dislike the idea of taking the servers offline because someone is cheating in PvP...

They're not just cheating in PvP, they're cheating in Veteran Maelstrom Arena and most likely the new trial, so it really is a huge issue considering that they can also cheat materials and gold, which will effect the game and you, yourself, even if you're hiding in a cave somewhere in Stonefalls unfortunately.

DeanTheCat

Looks like a lot of replies since I last checked the thread. Not going to be able to quote and reply directly to every post, so here is the more generalized reply.

Although you may think that this does not directly affect you, the impact of the issue is that a lot of illegitimate gold/gear/ap will enter the game due to such an hack. I'm sure that this does not affect your questing whatsoever, but what about the times when you need a gear upgrade for example? If let's say one day you log in and you find that due to hyper-inflation, things such as Tempering Alloys cost 20-30k gold per piece?

The hackers who have farmed the gold mats are not going to do a mass release. Instead, what they will do is that they will slowly release it onto the market drop by drop, trying to squeeze the maximum profit out of it. Then, they can use the gold that they have gained from such measures to buy up existing stocks of gold mats only to resell them for a higher profit. This will inevitably drive up prices, and thereby affect everyone and everything indirectly. When there is a surplus of gold in the system, prices will naturally rise, and since quests etc don't increment their gold payout to match the new hyperinflation caused by hackers, this will result in items being priced far more then what average players can afford.

The other impact of such hacks is that it devalues all the effort others have put it, though as most of you here say, you don't really care. However, to the people performing at the absolute bleeding edge, this matters a lot. These same people are the ones coming out with builds/strats/guides for the rest of the more "Casual" (I don't like to use that word, really) playerbase's benefit. Who is the one going to tell you what abilities are good and what is bugged if not for the extensive testing and dedication by the more "Hardcore" (Again, another word I don't like to use) players? Like it or not, this series of hacks affects us all, no matter if we realise it or not. This is why I am advocating for a server shutdown or at least a rollback to prevent the damage caused to be too great to be repaired.

Duiwel

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is: Can it be fixed fast?

This please for the love of Sithis give us an ETA on this one...

DeanTheCat

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Here's another issue. Now, I understand that you can't be in an enemy keep at all without it being flagged. This is ridiculous as there are times when I have had to AFK in a friendly keep and come back from afk to the keep being another color. (Yes, I hide if I have to go AFK. It is Cyrodil after all.) So, is this a hack? Or like last night, I was booted to the load screen during the battle at Roe. At the time that I was booted, the keep was half blue and half yellow. When the game let me back in, the keep was full yellow. There was only the NPCs in the keep besides myself. I did kill two of the NPCs and if I could have, I would have set up oils over the flags to wipe the rest of the NPCs. In both cases, I was legitimately in the keep before it flipped. I have a friend who accidentally dragon lept into a keep, and he was accused of hacking. Dragonknights have been leaping into the keeps since beta. It is part of being a dragonknight. All sides of the alliance war do it. Are you going to accuse all Dragonknights now?

What I am saying is learn what a hack /exploit is a leave the legitimate players alone.

@RDMyers65b14_ESO

I am fully well aware of pretty much every single mechanic/exploit that players use in Cyrodiil. I spent almost all my time since beta in Cyrodiil after all. I even wrote a series of guides on Cyrodiil for new players.

Unless you tell me that dynamic ultimate is somehow back and there is a new levitation skilline in ESO?

https://youtu.be/X7G3UnF1eZU

NeillMcAttack

Being a console player this wouldn't effect me directly, but I would certainly have to agree with the proposal. Having only recently finished my first vMA run, and then ran it a second time see how difficult it is to make leaderboard, the thoughts of some cheating SoB's knocking decent legitimate players off their rightfull place would be more than a little dis-heartening (putting it mildly of course) for those players. This is also happening in trial leaderboards as well.

It's a really *** situation all round. And the fix is not simple. Server roll-backs can also hurt many legit players just as badly, if not worse, than the cheaters so.... well, I just don't know what else could be done to fix this.

Alurria

There are far more legitimate players than not...are you sure you really have their best interests at heart. All weekend it's been the same names crying this tune. Every time you come to the forums it's the same folks making these threads...not saying there isn't a hack just saying there are far more people playing this game happily and not being affected. Hmmmm what is that I smell? Is something rotten in Denmark? (Sorry to all those from Denmark) it's a figure of speech. More drama...at least I got lols this weekend. Think I will go outside and get some fresh air...something some of you might want to try.

Ch4mpTW

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

There are far more legitimate players than not...are you sure you really have their best interests at heart. All weekend it's been the same names crying this tune. Every time you come to the forums it's the same folks making these threads...not saying there isn't a hack just saying there are far more people playing this game happily and not being affected. Hmmmm what is that I smell? Is something rotten in Denmark? (Sorry to all those from Denmark) it's a figure of speech. More drama...at least I got lols this weekend. Think I will go outside and get some fresh air...something some of you might want to try.

Rex-Umbra

Glad I'm on Console as mods are lame and ruin the interface and now lead to hacks. I don't agree wirh taking server down as i know ZOS will look at data and ban any obe who is doing huhe amounts of ultimates. I just hope it's perma bans and they are removed from leaderboards etc.

InvitationNotFound

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Glad I'm on Console as mods are lame and ruin the interface and now lead to hacks. I don't agree wirh taking server down as i know ZOS will look at data and ban any obe who is doing huhe amounts of ultimates. I just hope it's perma bans and they are removed from leaderboards etc.

it isn't a mod (add-on), it's a third party application. So add-ons are still fine and have nothing to do with the issue.

they will ban people the same way they did previously with the writs exploit: max 3 day ban and they were allowed to keep what they gained by exploiting. So there won't be any perma bans in most cases, and they will keep their ranking, AP and gear.

At least that's what ZOS taught us the last time.

oibam

Engage Gamemasters -> perma ban exploiters. Job done.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Just check all accounts for anomalies left behind by cheating.
Perma ban them.
Problem solved.

Cously

The problem can be fixed easily if they act in the social aspect. Heavy punishment. Permaban. Shaming. Impunity is the reason our society is so messed up today. HUMANS WILL DO WHAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH. In the real world, that is really hard to prevent or punish, there are extensive trials, appeals, etc. But in a controlled enviroment such as a video game, I don't understand why there is holding back in punish people. I got banned in game for 72 hours for some non politically correct words used in a zone chat debate...that scared the *** out of me, I thought I was going to lose my account that I worked hard for, am a guild leader as well. It worked. Now I behave in zone chat...mostly.

Then you say, SHOULDN'T YOU BE PERMA BANNED FOR SAYING THE WALL SHOULD BE BUILT TO KEEP CERTAIN PEOPLE AWAY? Well, my political opinions have zero impact in anyone's gameplay, I suppose you have to use a limited slot on your ignore list, but really that's all.

Now you have people who googles the program, install the program and proceed to cheat. Maybe they cheating because they think it's the only way they can have fun in game? Or because they want to prove a point? Cause chaos? Don't care about the game? Shove their fake acomplishments on people's face? Whatever, the individual took several steps to cheat. In this case, education won't work. In this case, everyone's gameplay might be direct or indirectly affected by the cheating. In this case, you don't punish people to educate them, you punish them to remove them from society and keep society safe, you permaban.

Lylith

might as well be offline, kicked to login first 3 attempts this morning.

mtwiggz

RazielSR wrote: »

Sadly,this is just the beginning. Just wait and see when the poisons drops.

I'll be completely honest that this whole mess made me forget about the poisons... We're all screwed anyways...

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Just had an unripe Granny smith apple: hard as a rock and bloody sour... AWESOME!!!! XD

Aside:

Cously wrote: »

The problem can be fixed easily if they act in the social aspect. Heavy punishment. Permaban. Shaming. Impunity is the reason our society is so messed up today. HUMANS WILL DO WHAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH. In the real world, that is really hard to prevent or punish, there are extensive trials, appeals, etc. But in a controlled enviroment such as a video game, I don't understand why there is holding back in punish people. I got banned in game for 72 hours for some non politically correct words used in a zone chat debate...that scared the *** out of me, I thought I was going to lose my account that I worked hard for, am a guild leader as well. It worked. Now I behave in zone chat...mostly.

Then you say, SHOULDN'T YOU BE PERMA BANNED FOR SAYING THE WALL SHOULD BE BUILT TO KEEP CERTAIN PEOPLE AWAY? Well, my political opinions have zero impact in anyone's gameplay, I suppose you have to use a limited slot on your ignore list, but really that's all.

Now you have people who googles the program, install the program and proceed to cheat. Maybe they cheating because they think it's the only way they can have fun in game? Or because they want to prove a point? Cause chaos? Don't care about the game? Shove their fake acomplishments on people's face? Whatever, the individual took several steps to cheat. In this case, education won't work. In this case, everyone's gameplay might be direct or indirectly affected by the cheating. In this case, you don't punish people to educate them, you punish them to remove them from society and keep society safe, you permaban.

VERY clever.
But even when the punishment is hard, there are always those dumbarses that will try nonetheless.

mtwiggz wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

Sadly,this is just the beginning. Just wait and see when the poisons drops.

I'll be completely honest that this whole mess made me forget about the poisons... We're all screwed anyways...

Why, because poisons?
Because cheaters???

We are, don't get me wrong, but not for the above.
The answer is: because HUMANS.
We are the dumbest smart beings in the universe.

Rakkul

Duiwel wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is: Can it be fixed fast?

This please for the love of Sithis give us an ETA on this one...

The problem they've got is their scheduled DB launch. I'd imagine most of their resources are pointed toward this - and now the Cheat hack erupts.

I don't see how they can carry out the work to prevent the cheat software being used, take action against all the offenders, and still launch DB on time.

Something's got to give.

I would not like to see DB launched with the game still open to the current hack. You'd just get more of the same.
Trying to apply a poison would be a bit difficult with 10+ meteors being Gatling-Gunned at you.

Lava_Croft

There's nobody to punish if you hack smart. Nobody will report you for casting your Ultimate just a bit faster than usual, nobody will report you for farming vMSA with some external 'help'.

Tommy1979AtWar

Rakkul wrote: »

Duiwel wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is: Can it be fixed fast?

This please for the love of Sithis give us an ETA on this one...

The problem they've got is their scheduled DB launch. I'd imagine most of their resources are pointed toward this - and now the Cheat hack erupts.

I don't see how they can carry out the work to prevent the cheat software being used, take action against all the offenders, and still launch DB on time.

Something's got to give.

I would not like to see DB launched with the game still open to the current hack. You'd just get more of the same.
Trying to apply a poison would be a bit difficult with 10+ meteors being Gatling-Gunned at you.

DB will be launched regardless of bugs or cheat hacks, they're more interested in milking the elder scrolls franchise than fixing anything so it'll continue to tick over with them doing the bare minimum until the servers are shut down, there's nothing to worry about when it comes to them releasing dlc on time because they'd never miss a payday.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There's nobody to punish if you hack smart. Nobody will report you for casting your Ultimate just a bit faster than usual, nobody will report you for farming vMSA with some external 'help'.

You seem to know well about this...
Experience?

Tandor

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Looks like a lot of replies since I last checked the thread. Not going to be able to quote and reply directly to every post, so here is the more generalized reply.

Although you may think that this does not directly affect you, the impact of the issue is that a lot of illegitimate gold/gear/ap will enter the game due to such an hack. I'm sure that this does not affect your questing whatsoever, but what about the times when you need a gear upgrade for example? If let's say one day you log in and you find that due to hyper-inflation, things such as Tempering Alloys cost 20-30k gold per piece?

The hackers who have farmed the gold mats are not going to do a mass release. Instead, what they will do is that they will slowly release it onto the market drop by drop, trying to squeeze the maximum profit out of it. Then, they can use the gold that they have gained from such measures to buy up existing stocks of gold mats only to resell them for a higher profit. This will inevitably drive up prices, and thereby affect everyone and everything indirectly. When there is a surplus of gold in the system, prices will naturally rise, and since quests etc don't increment their gold payout to match the new hyperinflation caused by hackers, this will result in items being priced far more then what average players can afford.

The other impact of such hacks is that it devalues all the effort others have put it, though as most of you here say, you don't really care. However, to the people performing at the absolute bleeding edge, this matters a lot. These same people are the ones coming out with builds/strats/guides for the rest of the more "Casual" (I don't like to use that word, really) playerbase's benefit. Who is the one going to tell you what abilities are good and what is bugged if not for the extensive testing and dedication by the more "Hardcore" (Again, another word I don't like to use) players? Like it or not, this series of hacks affects us all, no matter if we realise it or not. This is why I am advocating for a server shutdown or at least a rollback to prevent the damage caused to be too great to be repaired.

Of course some casual players will be affected by such things, but don't assume that everyone buys their crafting materials or upgrades, or that most casual players for example are remotely interested in other players' opinions on class builds etc. I can genuinely say I haven't been affected by any other exploit in this or any other game and won't be affected by this one. The only way an exploit would affect me would be if enough players left over it to render a game non-viable so it closed down, but that isn't going to happen. All that most disgruntled players will do in a B2P or F2P game is take a break and come back later.

I hope that ZOS tackle the issue firmly and kick out all cheats permanently, at least they have acknowledged the issue and indicated that they are looking into letting us know the full outcome, and I can quite understand how PvPers and competitive PvEers on the affected servers are impacted by it, but very many players are not and it makes no sense to close any servers over such an issue other than purely for the necessary downtime to apply a hotfix when it is ready and fully tested.

TrueGreenSmoker

Alcast wrote: »

The real question is: Can it be fixed fast?

For all the PC players i hope it can be fixed fast but my hope in ZoS well... its not like it used to be. ZoS do something fast!

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

I was in a Game clan called The Dragon Talon Marauders (=DTM=), and still many are gaming today.
It began during the first release of Unreal Tournament, and I became an alder there.
Our clan was about extreme anti-hacking/anti-exploiting/anti-griefing, and pro decency on all levels.
I still, like the others of the =DTM=, uphold these simple values, as they are how I am as a person.

Once cannot be punished hard enough for such things, as they ruin the (gaming) experience of others.
But to close the servers for this...
You are not punishing the criminals here, but the good folks that play honourably.

Sunver

This game costs money. Every single cheater account should be banned, then gold transfer traced from this account and all accounts banned until explanation is given why they got money from cheating person's account.

What we need is a group of GMs that will beat the crap out of every cheater or scammer on the megaserver. Make their lives miserable.

I will pay extra for that.

Rohamad_Ali

Sunver wrote: »

This game costs money. Every single cheater account should be banned, then gold transfer traced from this account and all accounts banned until explanation is given why they got money from cheating person's account.

What we need is a group of GMs that will beat the crap out of every cheater or scammer on the megaserver. Make their lives miserable.

I will pay extra for that.

I like where this is going

Vipstaakki

Sunver wrote: »

This game costs money. Every single cheater account should be banned, then gold transfer traced from this account and all accounts banned until explanation is given why they got money from cheating person's account.

What we need is a group of GMs that will beat the crap out of every cheater or scammer on the megaserver. Make their lives miserable.

I will pay extra for that.

So the cheaters send small amounts of gold to every person and everyone gets banned including yourself?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Sunver wrote: »

What we need is a group of GMs that will beat the crap out of every cheater or scammer on the megaserver. Make their lives miserable.

AMEN!
*Voiced as Pinhead in his final moments of Bloodlines*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYDEp1Qdp_4

Ridistrin

Turelus wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Edit: Oh and btw. anyone want to bet if the bans for the cheaters will be longer than 3 days?;) I doubt it.

Zenimax bans people?

Hahahhahahah, hell no.

Hyssia

+ for server shutdown till it's all fixed

remember to record hackers and send it to the gamemasters :^)

LadyNalcarya

Technical issues are only a part of the problem.
There's also this mindset that you can play dirty and get away clean... And Zos keeps supporting it.
If players would know that they will be banned for cheating/exploiting, it wouldnt be that rampant.