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Do you think the cost increase poisons are too powerful?
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✭Yesmr_wazzabi wrote: »@Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno
Can we please get a dev response regarding these ridiculously op poisons?
Why were they made even more powerful?
why were they made in the first place? who came up with this **** idea? has this internally be tested before? does anyone at ZOS is playing this game?
well, there are a lot of good questions here...This is a good way to counter permadodgerollers and high sustain builds.
nope, as many stated already.They're fine, maybe people will actually have to pay attention to their resources now.
not if they are outnumbered. even in 1vs1 situation not a good thing (there are other poisons as well...)
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✭✭YesMy main problem with poisons is that -- in my understanding -- effects from multiple enemies all apply and stack on you. This basically *** on solo and small group play, which ZOS has a stupid history of doing.
Another major problem is that while poisons do hinder problematic high sustain builds, they absolutely crush balanced or high damage builds. Players will be encouraged to spec for higher and higher sustain, reducing damage in an environment where everyone is getting progressively tanker and heals keep getting stronger and stronger.Edited by KenaPKK on May 18, 2016 10:24PM1 -
ContraTempo✭✭✭✭YesMy main problem with poisons is that -- in my understanding -- effects from multiple enemies all apply and stack on you. This basically *** on solo and small group play, which ZOS has a stupid history of doing.
Another major problem is that while poisons do hinder problematic high sustain builds, they absolutely crush balanced or high damage builds. Players will be encouraged to spec for higher and higher sustain, reducing damage in an environment where everyone is getting progressively tanker and heals keep getting stronger and stronger.
Right. If they really wanted to affect those with the highest sustain they would make poisons (or whatever) apply a cap to recovery.
EDIT: But they don't stack. Multiple opponents can apply different effects to you but 3 opponents hitting you with the same effect does not stack; it uses the largest effect. That was in the 2.4.3 notesEdited by ContraTempo on May 18, 2016 10:34PMContraTempo
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I think poisons should be kept out of Cyrodiil period. Let the PvErs have their cool new toys without any negative effect on us.
If you think this was meant for PvE, think again. What use do PvErs have to use poisons on PvE enemies that have no magicka/stamina limit or regen to worry about, snaring enemies when it's just faster to burn them down instead of using any kind of CC etc?R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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flguy147ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesThis is another bandaid fix to fix the horrible CP progression system that created insane sustain builds.0 -
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✭✭YesI would like to see the cooldown drastically increased, like 30 - 45 sec. I really don't see myself using these things every 10 seconds, I'm poor enough as is, plus it doesn't require any skill whatsoever to make use of if you can just apply it 100% of the time.
And mind you, that cooldown should then apply on both the poison user as well as the target, so you are not just affected constantly when fighting outnumbered and the poisons will actually offer rewards for teamplay (using different poisons at the same time, instead of spamming them all day long).
Finally, I would settle with 30% cost indrease, that's already really powerful. 60% is just rediculous.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Hadan_of_Rift✭✭✭✭YesAnother stupid idea by a development team that continues to show they are clueless.3
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✭✭✭NoThis is a good way to counter permadodgerollers and high sustain builds.
or the high sustain with max dmg etc builds.
this introduces a lot of RPS to the "one design to rule them all" min-max-meta and IMO that is part of the reason some the pvp crowd is having such a hue and cry.
I love the "lets not introduce anything that will change my meta into cyrodil"
Instead of cutting back EFFECT level, zos is using short duration and cooldown with no stacking as the restricting measures. I like that approach myself.
and with reduced proc times and higher impact for enchants, it makes an interesting dynamic of which you prefer or do you bar swap and try for both if that works.
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✭Yes
Radiant Destruction is balanced, stop being arrogant about it. Refer to all the other posts made by Zheg and Joy Division and educate yourself on the issue, there are too many counters to the skill for it to be unbalanced, though I think dodge roll should be a counter, but whatever. Not for this topic.gonna say no because resource builds are an issue, its good for this type of thing so you cant just have no issue with your resources.
its gonna be interesting.
but 60% might be a bit much, I'd settle for 40
well, what can you expect from the guy that says that RD is balanced. It doesn't surprise me, templars are by far the class that is less affected from poison, it was expected from you to defend them.
Of all the possible ways to deal with unlimited resources, this is hands down the worst, because if you are getting attacked by more than 1 target, only you will have problem with resources, they won't. If ZoS are going to "fix" the resources problem, it should be in a way that promotes skillful play, so i get rewarded if i manage my resources better than my rivals. Every time i see you talkin of balance, i get a knot in the stomach
A core PvP issue is resource management, it is completely out of control right now because of champion system and that you have no restrictions. It's a little hard for ZOS to balance that when there are literally 10 things or more factoring into your resources, if they touched that it would completely break how ESO played, every single class would need a re-balance in passives, skills etc.
Poisons are a great way to handle this issue, regardless of what class I play that doesn't matter I'm talking about the issue as a whole, not personally. I also acknowledge that 60% is possibly a bit much but there are people who are able to sustain Kena of uptimes with >50% with around 1k regen.
And also, make sure you think about the other half of the game when you're talking about resource management, what has your mind crafted up that are better ways to fix the issue? The resources are how they are at the moment because of a system that affects both PvE and PvP.
I think I am one of the guys stressing the lack of ressource management like no other on these forums. I want ressource management back!
Nonetheless, I am also a passionate solo pvp player. While softcaps (the old ressource management enforcer) have put an equal burden on all participants of a fight WITHOUT shifting balance further in favor of one or the other, the proposed solution here is directly influencing balance in a way, that is working directly against the outnumbered force.
It`s a terrible solution that benefits big groups most.Edited by Mojomonkeyman on May 19, 2016 3:43AMKoma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy5 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭YesMeh, at this point, I'll just dip my arrows in Magitoxin and call it a day while waiting for CU.
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✭✭✭NoContraTempo wrote: »
Bad plan
Bad bad plan.
Be the dodgeroller when you're young.
After a few years and a few pounds, sustained dodging gets MUCH harder.
Though in some ways the rolling gets easier.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭YesContraTempo wrote: »
Bad plan
Bad bad plan.
Be the dodgeroller when you're young.
After a few years and a few pounds, sustained dodging gets MUCH harder.
Though in some ways the rolling gets easier.
Ah, so maybe permablock when I'm more portl...er...mature?ContraTempo
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Zyle✭✭✭✭✭YesI was honestly expecting them to change it from 30% to 33%/35%, not to 60%
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Wolfchild07✭✭✭✭✭YesYes. Not everyone minmaxes and not everyone has infinite resources.
People with infinite resources will just change up their builds to the new meta.0 -
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✭✭✭NoI voted no just because I felt the complaints about magicka players not being able to go dual wield to be a lame complaint.
Needing occasional HA to recover resources should have always been necessary.0
