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What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)
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kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭This needs it's own thread. You said you would track our exp towards the new cp system. So a bunch of us went ahead and quested. Now your not giving us the exp points you said you would......but we cant repeat the quests. Can someone from Zeni clarify this......it's upsetting alot of your long subscribing customers ? It's my understanding that a new VR1 will receive the same cp as my vr14....but still have access to the quest exp that I won't. I hope you guys have a fix for that.
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Robocles✭✭✭✭✭I'm confused. For those complaining about not getting more CP, were you only leveling to VR14 because of the extra CP? If they didn't say anything at all about keeping track of exp a few months ago, would you have stopped leveling at VR1?
A VR14 is not losing anything compared to a VR1. While they're questing, you can be grinding or doing dailies or dungeons or whatever the heck you want, and you'll get CP just as fast as them (probably faster.) Even if you're staunchly against grinding, Undaunted dailies, PvP dailies, PvP in general, Craglorn, and dungeons, and the only thing you want to do are non-repeatable quests, you can level an alt to VR1, because CP is account-wide. You can even get one by the time 1.6 drops.
So really, what's the problem? Either continue what you've been doing or level an alt. You'll get CP at the same rate either way.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?9 -
Robocles✭✭✭✭✭Sordidfairytale wrote: »**Disclaimer**
I didn't read all the posts.
**Disclaimer**
Sweet mother... the level that some people are "nuking" this issue is mind boggling.
I'd like to offer this suggestion:
30 champion points ÷ 14 VR levels = 2.1428
Give 30 CP to every account that has one VR14, then give 2 champion points per VR level for the highest level character on an account (e.g. a VR 7 would garner you 14 CP, two VR7's would garner you 28 CP). Up to the maximum 30 per account. Then during the "transition" period make Champion points available every 500,000 VP up to 30. After 30 Champion points have been awarded to an account have the new method you intend to handle the rewarding of champion points take effect.
A person that has a VR14 will not equal a VR1 in champion points.
A person that does not have a VR14 will be able to see the champion system and work relatively quickly toward the 30 CP everyone else has received.
Don't complain about the posts if you haven't... you know... read the posts.
Jeebus.
That said, I agree to an extent with your idea. They should reward you for the highest VR you have, so that you don't feel you have been following their guidance to level for no reason.
And, that also said, they don't care. They will get a stupid amount of money from their console box sales and that's what they are in this for.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm confused. For those complaining about not getting more CP, were you only leveling to VR14 because of the extra CP? If they didn't say anything at all about keeping track of exp a few months ago, would you have stopped leveling at VR1?
A VR14 is not losing anything compared to a VR1. While they're questing, you can be grinding or doing dailies or dungeons or whatever the heck you want, and you'll get CP just as fast as them (probably faster.) Even if you're staunchly against grinding, Undaunted dailies, PvP dailies, PvP in general, Craglorn, and dungeons, and the only thing you want to do are non-repeatable quests, you can level an alt to VR1, because CP is account-wide. You can even get one by the time 1.6 drops.
So really, what's the problem? Either continue what you've been doing or level an alt. You'll get CP at the same rate either way.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
that is exactly why we are all angry. welcome to the party.
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whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »I'm confused. For those complaining about not getting more CP, were you only leveling to VR14 because of the extra CP? If they didn't say anything at all about keeping track of exp a few months ago, would you have stopped leveling at VR1?
A VR14 is not losing anything compared to a VR1. While they're questing, you can be grinding or doing dailies or dungeons or whatever the heck you want, and you'll get CP just as fast as them (probably faster.) Even if you're staunchly against grinding, Undaunted dailies, PvP dailies, PvP in general, Craglorn, and dungeons, and the only thing you want to do are non-repeatable quests, you can level an alt to VR1, because CP is account-wide. You can even get one by the time 1.6 drops.
So really, what's the problem? Either continue what you've been doing or level an alt. You'll get CP at the same rate either way.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
that is exactly why we are all angry. welcome to the party.
Yup....
Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.3 -
Mud_Puppy✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
The problem is this is an MMO and your voiding the investment many have put in. You could have simply given v14 characters more points accordingly, less points for lower levels.
This kind of thing does not fly in mmos./kill7 -
ceol✭We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.9 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
I am already doing this as we speak (see my Signature) but The problem is:
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO......Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.5 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
I am sorry, extremely vague one liners don't count as justification on my dictionary. They apologized, true, but they didn't offer any convincing argument as to why they made this decision, so this seems rather capricious of them4 -
Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If I get this right, they've said, that Cyrodiil village quests will give more EXP now. I already do them every day for fun. I really really hope, this will make the villages more attractive, so that many people come to the cities.
This is going to be great fun. I have no mood at the moment, but I can't wait to farm the villages again. This is the best part of Cyrodiil in my opinion.
Wow, your idea on what's fun vs. my idea of fun are completely seperate. After performing the village quests several times I found them to be utterly BORING!!! If I have to do those over and over again just to gain CP, then please, just poke my eyes out with a stick!
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Out of curiosity, how is a more causal player with only one V14, suppose to gain CP in 1.6?
I'm not worried for myself. I have one of each class at level cap. I still have thousands of quest to do, even have Cadwells gold and entire maps left on some characters.
But a less "hardcore" player that didn't speed grind alts to level cap, well, they seem a bit screwed lol. At least if they want to do quest to progress and gain points. This while a VR1 has all content ahead of him, and the same amount of points. It doesn't add up. Hope I'm missing something?
the perceived imbalance is largely due to people wanting to be "lone rangers". the fact is, there wont be only 1 VR1 character on a faction going against 1 or more VR14 with max CPs- there will be a balance. in PVE people worry about VR14 with max CP not grouping with vr1 with no CPs- this too won't happen anymore than it already does. as someone who tends to go in with the "hardcore crew" i wouldn't mind doing pugs with vr1s and no CPs if i have VR14 with 100+cps because it relieves the stress of bad pugs (i tend to do instances for fun only). it wont eradicate the stress in PVP or PVE but it helps reduce it. I ground up to commander rank in PVP in WoW on the old school system (harder system), i accepted that there would be "cannon fodder" players and "leet" (typically using that term loosely) players. both parties still had to hold each others hands for success.
so long term this is how MMOs survive. its by teamwork of the community not a separation of "haves and have nots." in a matter of weeks the whole game will be no better off than leaving players with the tracked XP. me being one of the crowd that won't really benefit from experience tracking. but wrong is wrong;right is right- going back on their word is wrong and a dup if not a lie.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
Martin A. Treptow
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Out of curiosity, how is a more causal player with only one V14, suppose to gain CP in 1.6?
I'm not worried for myself. I have one of each class at level cap. I still have thousands of quest to do, even have Cadwells gold and entire maps left on some characters.
But a less "hardcore" player that didn't speed grind alts to level cap, well, they seem a bit screwed lol. At least if they want to do quest to progress and gain points. This while a VR1 has all content ahead of him, and the same amount of points. It doesn't add up. Hope I'm missing something?
I agree that the lack of solo alternatives is an issue. If someone is VR 10, he has nothing to do. AVA wont work as he is too weak, Dungeons with the LFG bug problematic and Wrothgar is not in sight yet.
But I am asking you this, how would we help those players if we now give them 60 CP? They still wont have content, they still cant progress further right?
I think that the best advice to those is a reroll or spending some time on an alt. As a Casual they will have several free slots still and once they leveled those up to VR 10 Wrothgar might already be there with the removal of VR rankings.
That said, we still don't know enough about 1.6 to make such assumptions. Maybe the Justice System will offer solo quest chains, maybe they add new quests for solo players in Crag ... We need to wait another week at least.
in response to the bold:
to simplify the situation lets jsut say that the max level atm is VR12 and 30 CP is the same as one VR. well if a VR10 has 60 CP that would roughly equate to them being a baseline VR12 (not better, just fresh meat).
it still comes down for me that they said they were tracking experience. when CS was announced i figured id just alt, when they announced they would track experience i figured id continue on with gold and silver, now half way through silver and VR7, i find out i should have just played my alts. i don't care about the perceived power, i am already behind the curve. i do mind being told one thing so i play with that in mind, then find out months later, they changed their minds.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
Martin A. Treptow
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
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It's called multi-boxing
I'm well aware of multi-boxing (the 5 shamans in wow trick was particularly popular). But can you multi-box 5 accounts in ESO? The group size is 4 and the PC you would need to do that at a playable rate, would be utterly beastly. It just does not sound feasible.1 -
Wolfenbelle✭✭✭✭✭To those of you thinking a v14 char with 30 CP is in anyway on par to a v1 with 30 CP
Learn to math pl0x, and realize all your "achievements" are not "wasted"
V14 perks
- 13 additional skill points
- 13 additional attribute points
- Higher softcaps
- Gear several tiers higher, with stat adjustments that are not only significant, but massively significant, especially in categories like weapon power and armor rating. Go compare a v1 staff with a v14 staff right now and tell me they are even in the same league.
- Completion potentially of Silver + Gold netting another 40 skill points from Skyshards (even just doing Cadwells quests alone and ignoring the rest of the zone, you will gain more than 15 SPs)
- Many more completed skills lines than any V1 ever could have done by this point
- Additional Skyshards/SPs from Vet Dungeons, Group dungeon challenges, and Craglorn
- Mages/Undaunted rep (more lorebooks to hit rank 10 mages, more vet dungeons achieves/pledges done for Undaunted.
You cant simply say that just because you have 30 CP in common that the two are in any way on par with each other. I mean seriously, V1 toons usually dont even have all their CLASS skill lines 100% done yet, much less anything beyond that.
ZOS has already said that every veteran character will be reset back to level 50 sometime soon, probably in release 1.7. The single biggest question I have is not about the CP, although that's bad enough. It's this: What happens to all those achievements and additional skill/attribute points? We already know that softcaps are being eliminated, I believe in 1.6. What happens to veteran rank gear when we are reset back to 50? What happens to mats, potions, crafting, enemies, bosses, and the veteran rank content? Will Cadwell's s/g even exist anymore, and if it does, for what purpose. Characters usually progress to 50 during the Coldharbour and Molag Bal part of the game. So what would be the point of having Cadwell's anymore except for those skill points and skyshards?
ZOS has made none of this clear as far as I know. They are basically reinventing and relaunching their game on the backs of all current players, no matter what level they are at presently. What has been presented so far is not pretty.
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whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wolfenbelle wrote: »
ZOS has made none of this clear as far as I know. They are basically reinventing and relaunching their game on the backs of all current players, no matter what level they are at presently. What has been presented so far is not pretty.
And that is another thing, when I was in the Beta, I played the game knowing, my character was going to get wiped, one of the reasons I copied the creation of "Kotaro Atani" to video, so was I could recreate him when the game went live.. and then I did during early access..
(thank god I never deleted that video, I almost did once)
So then I kept the video thinking, what IF?? I don't know... what if something failed and my character got wiped or something, I could recreate him by making an ALT..
Now it's kinda like that all over again, all that XP flushed down the tube, and nothing in return except what everyone who is VR1 is getting, 30 CP, because they are reinventing the game and want people to be at everyone's level ..
Now this is what I have to say, I've been lied to and mislead by ZOS already when it comes to this situation with the XP and it's made me really angry..
But...
I made a new ALT duplicate of my main and I will use him when the Champion system comes online...
but I swear to god and the world at large....
If they do something like this ever again, (wipe us/neuter us and start anew like we are still in a damn Beta again), then I am gone..
Fool me once, shame on me... fool me twice and I am gone.
Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3600 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.5 -
Jaxsun✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
So, your bosses lied to keep more people subbed until 1.6 which allowed them to collect the subscription money you would have lost for those players unsubbing until 1.6 launched...Card Carrying !@#holes12 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Aren't they adding a whole new PVE zone very soon? All you people crying about not having any solo content left might be in luck. I thought I recalled them saying in the last ESO Live that a new zone is coming very soon.
Very soon for ZOS is not the same as very soon for the... rest of the population lol...you know when they said roughly 1 CP per hour? Well if the cap is 3600 then that's only 150 days solid. Nothing to some of these grinder players.
It's 4 hours per CP. 1 hour is with Enlightement and those kind of players won't have much if it as they are always playing.
Also... 150 days 24/7 is nothing ? Even if you sleep 8 hours a day and play the whole 16 hours of the day that are left, that's still 900 days for cap...Edited by Averya_Teira on December 30, 2014 1:40AM1 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The problem is that the exp we got is being taken from us without anything to reward it. We don't want to have to grind like crazy to keep up with the guys that are vr1 questing... It isn't fair. We already the questing, we did the leveling, so why are our points being denied to us?
How are your points being denied to you? You have just as much of a chance to get them as a VR1 character. You just have one less option to do so. It doesn't mean those points are gone forever.
Whoever said you needed to "grind like crazy" in order to keep up with them? If the highest character someone has by 1.6 is a VR1, do you really think they're going to be grinding out quests?
Not exactly.
I'm looking at 65 million xp of quests between 5 v14s that I can never earn. There are no other options for me to solo earn those outside of playing pvp (which I do not like to do and also don't know how it compares). Most daily stuff is group content, no new zones will be added for months.
And sure, a casual player may not suddenly grind out quests, but there could be someone just like me that just goes from one character to the next, doing quests and started later than me so is only around v1 when the system hits. They could very easily have the 5 v14s I have a few months after 1.6 launches - I certainly cannot. I only have 2.5 more slots left (one is v5 and half way through content). That's all the xp I can earn from questing. Any other xp I earn will be from waiting around until my friends get on to do group content.
It's b.s. that I'm screwed over by this when a giving me a couple points per vet level wouldn't have put me that far ahead of the 30 a v1 gets. Now, just like undaunted, or crafting achieves, I get to watch new players pass me by while I sit there without as many tools to earn points as they have.
Here's the thing I really don't get at all. How exactly does this advantage the casual? They would need to suddenly start playing massively more than they had been before, while you play massively less, for them to get ahead even slightly. Do you honestly think that's about to happen, or are you just being far too overly dramatic?
You have 5 VR14's you must have a played on all your characters probably in excess of 100days, that's going to be 50+ hours a week on average. In what world will a casual suddenly catch you up, neigh over take you?
Well, if you read what I wrote- I specifically said not casuals, but newer players that play as much as a player like me that just got into the game later.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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✭The simple fact is, we were told our exp would count once the Champion System came to live and now it won't and ZoS doesn't even offer us a real reason.
They are releasing a system and upon release they are creating exceptions to the rules because... Well, I don't really know, probably because they want the low vrs to play with the system, even thought they haven't earned points yet. At the same time they don't want the hardcore group to have more points then everyone else. Either way, it is unfair, they are rewarding points to those that haven't earned those points and not awarding points to those that have earned them.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
That doesn't work for everyone. I have 5 v14s and a v5. That's two (and a half) character slots of silver/gold left. That's vs 8 slots for a v1 that wishes to level the same as me. Except they will get points for all 8 slots. I will be out on 65 million questing xp and the cp that comes with it.-- @xaraan --
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Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
That doesn't work for everyone. I have 5 v14s and a v5. That's two (and a half) character slots of silver/gold left. That's vs 8 slots for a v1 that wishes to level the same as me. Except they will get points for all 8 slots. I will be out on 65 million questing xp and the cp that comes with it.
Just wanted to make it concrete for people, if what ZOS said it true (-_-) about the time to gain 1 CP, then 1 CP should be around 400 000 XP.
So his 65 000 000 ''missing'' XP = 162.5 CPs ''missed'' from already having VR14s.
Edited by Averya_Teira on December 30, 2014 3:48AM7 -
Vusile✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
Hmmm. Maybe this was brought up earlier in this topic but that bolded part seems to imply that if you are not Vet Rank before update 6, you never get those 30 CP that the rest of us do. Better get to Vet Ranks if you aren't already!
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
That doesn't work for everyone. I have 5 v14s and a v5. That's two (and a half) character slots of silver/gold left. That's vs 8 slots for a v1 that wishes to level the same as me. Except they will get points for all 8 slots. I will be out on 65 million questing xp and the cp that comes with it.
so essentually you could do the daily undaunted quest with EACH of your 5 v14'ns and all that cp can be given to just 1 character?
isnt that cheating?
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭we are allowed to share the cp's from a pool? or each character we have will get exactly 30 cp's to spend?
sounds to me like each character we have gets cp's from anything we do on any character we have on our account.0 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
that is because their current plan is for Champion System points to be account wide , so once you gain any CP's you gain them for all of your characters , you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character thou , but all of your characters can use them . The CP's are not a pool , the number you have is the same for all of your characters ( i.e. what one character spends does not decrease what your other characters will have available to use).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
that is because their current plan is for Champion System points to be account wide , so once you gain any CP's you gain them for all of your characters , you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character thou , but all of your characters can use them . The CP's are not a pool , the number you have is the same for all of your characters ( i.e. what one character spends does not decrease what your other characters will have available to use).
i hope you are correct
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
that is because their current plan is for Champion System points to be account wide , so once you gain any CP's you gain them for all of your characters , you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character thou , but all of your characters can use them . The CP's are not a pool , the number you have is the same for all of your characters ( i.e. what one character spends does not decrease what your other characters will have available to use).
i hope you are correct
that's what I recall from the ESO live and the info they posted on the forums , it is all subject to change based on the feedback from the PTS so do not count on it .1
