It's called multi-boxing
To those of you thinking a v14 char with 30 CP is in anyway on par to a v1 with 30 CP
Learn to math pl0x, and realize all your "achievements" are not "wasted"
V14 perks
- 13 additional skill points
- 13 additional attribute points
- Higher softcaps
- Gear several tiers higher, with stat adjustments that are not only significant, but massively significant, especially in categories like weapon power and armor rating. Go compare a v1 staff with a v14 staff right now and tell me they are even in the same league.
- Completion potentially of Silver + Gold netting another 40 skill points from Skyshards (even just doing Cadwells quests alone and ignoring the rest of the zone, you will gain more than 15 SPs)
- Many more completed skills lines than any V1 ever could have done by this point
- Additional Skyshards/SPs from Vet Dungeons, Group dungeon challenges, and Craglorn
- Mages/Undaunted rep (more lorebooks to hit rank 10 mages, more vet dungeons achieves/pledges done for Undaunted.
You cant simply say that just because you have 30 CP in common that the two are in any way on par with each other. I mean seriously, V1 toons usually dont even have all their CLASS skill lines 100% done yet, much less anything beyond that.
Wolfenbelle wrote: »
ZOS has made none of this clear as far as I know. They are basically reinventing and relaunching their game on the backs of all current players, no matter what level they are at presently. What has been presented so far is not pretty.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
Aren't they adding a whole new PVE zone very soon? All you people crying about not having any solo content left might be in luck. I thought I recalled them saying in the last ESO Live that a new zone is coming very soon.
you know when they said roughly 1 CP per hour? Well if the cap is 3600 then that's only 150 days solid. Nothing to some of these grinder players.
The problem is that the exp we got is being taken from us without anything to reward it. We don't want to have to grind like crazy to keep up with the guys that are vr1 questing... It isn't fair. We already the questing, we did the leveling, so why are our points being denied to us?
How are your points being denied to you? You have just as much of a chance to get them as a VR1 character. You just have one less option to do so. It doesn't mean those points are gone forever.
Whoever said you needed to "grind like crazy" in order to keep up with them? If the highest character someone has by 1.6 is a VR1, do you really think they're going to be grinding out quests?
Not exactly.
I'm looking at 65 million xp of quests between 5 v14s that I can never earn. There are no other options for me to solo earn those outside of playing pvp (which I do not like to do and also don't know how it compares). Most daily stuff is group content, no new zones will be added for months.
And sure, a casual player may not suddenly grind out quests, but there could be someone just like me that just goes from one character to the next, doing quests and started later than me so is only around v1 when the system hits. They could very easily have the 5 v14s I have a few months after 1.6 launches - I certainly cannot. I only have 2.5 more slots left (one is v5 and half way through content). That's all the xp I can earn from questing. Any other xp I earn will be from waiting around until my friends get on to do group content.
It's b.s. that I'm screwed over by this when a giving me a couple points per vet level wouldn't have put me that far ahead of the 30 a v1 gets. Now, just like undaunted, or crafting achieves, I get to watch new players pass me by while I sit there without as many tools to earn points as they have.
Here's the thing I really don't get at all. How exactly does this advantage the casual? They would need to suddenly start playing massively more than they had been before, while you play massively less, for them to get ahead even slightly. Do you honestly think that's about to happen, or are you just being far too overly dramatic?
You have 5 VR14's you must have a played on all your characters probably in excess of 100days, that's going to be 50+ hours a week on average. In what world will a casual suddenly catch you up, neigh over take you?
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
That doesn't work for everyone. I have 5 v14s and a v5. That's two (and a half) character slots of silver/gold left. That's vs 8 slots for a v1 that wishes to level the same as me. Except they will get points for all 8 slots. I will be out on 65 million questing xp and the cp that comes with it.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.
A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.
As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!
Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
They aren't doing this because they're lazy or want to *** you off. They're doing it because, sometimes, things don't go the way we want them to and we need to go back on what we said. Would you rather ZOS turn into ArenaNet, never talking to us about anything for fear of the community ripping their head off?
ZOS has explained why they made this decision, and they've expressed their regret about not being able to follow through. At this point, if you can't accept it, just stop playing the game, because you will never be happy with anything.
That doesn't work for everyone. I have 5 v14s and a v5. That's two (and a half) character slots of silver/gold left. That's vs 8 slots for a v1 that wishes to level the same as me. Except they will get points for all 8 slots. I will be out on 65 million questing xp and the cp that comes with it.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
that is because their current plan is for Champion System points to be account wide , so once you gain any CP's you gain them for all of your characters , you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character thou , but all of your characters can use them . The CP's are not a pool , the number you have is the same for all of your characters ( i.e. what one character spends does not decrease what your other characters will have available to use).
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
that is because their current plan is for Champion System points to be account wide , so once you gain any CP's you gain them for all of your characters , you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character thou , but all of your characters can use them . The CP's are not a pool , the number you have is the same for all of your characters ( i.e. what one character spends does not decrease what your other characters will have available to use).
i hope you are correct
DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »DanielMaxwell wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »"once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed."
ok she said that if we have atleast ONE character that is vet level then ALL of our characters will get 30 cp. not just the vet ones.
you can only gain champion system XP on a level 50 character
this is the part that i am not so sure about, i thought that anytime we gained ANY xp at all it counted towards the champion system, but here you are saying we Must be level 50 in order for that to happen? we cant gain cp's from a level 10, or any character under level 50?
i hope that is not true.
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »Wolfenbelle wrote: »
ZOS has made none of this clear as far as I know. They are basically reinventing and relaunching their game on the backs of all current players, no matter what level they are at presently. What has been presented so far is not pretty.
And that is another thing, when I was in the Beta, I played the game knowing, my character was going to get wiped, one of the reasons I copied the creation of "Kotaro Atani" to video, so was I could recreate him when the game went live.. and then I did during early access..
(thank god I never deleted that video, I almost did once)
So then I kept the video thinking, what IF?? I don't know... what if something failed and my character got wiped or something, I could recreate him by making an ALT..
Now it's kinda like that all over again, all that XP flushed down the tube, and nothing in return except what everyone who is VR1 is getting, 30 CP, because they are reinventing the game and want people to be at everyone's level ..
Now this is what I have to say, I've been lied to and mislead by ZOS already when it comes to this situation with the XP and it's made me really angry..
But...
I made a new ALT duplicate of my main and I will use him when the Champion system comes online...
but I swear to god and the world at large....
If they do something like this ever again, (wipe us/neuter us and start anew like we are still in a damn Beta again), then I am gone..
Fool me once, shame on me... fool me twice and I am gone.
Well, for beta they had the carrot dangling that the decision of wiping the chars is likely, but not fixed. As a reward you got a monkey, when it should have been a guinea pig .
The problem is that the exp we got is being taken from us without anything to reward it. We don't want to have to grind like crazy to keep up with the guys that are vr1 questing... It isn't fair. We already the questing, we did the leveling, so why are our points being denied to us?
How are your points being denied to you? You have just as much of a chance to get them as a VR1 character. You just have one less option to do so. It doesn't mean those points are gone forever.
Whoever said you needed to "grind like crazy" in order to keep up with them? If the highest character someone has by 1.6 is a VR1, do you really think they're going to be grinding out quests?
Not exactly.
I'm looking at 65 million xp of quests between 5 v14s that I can never earn. There are no other options for me to solo earn those outside of playing pvp (which I do not like to do and also don't know how it compares). Most daily stuff is group content, no new zones will be added for months.
And sure, a casual player may not suddenly grind out quests, but there could be someone just like me that just goes from one character to the next, doing quests and started later than me so is only around v1 when the system hits. They could very easily have the 5 v14s I have a few months after 1.6 launches - I certainly cannot. I only have 2.5 more slots left (one is v5 and half way through content). That's all the xp I can earn from questing. Any other xp I earn will be from waiting around until my friends get on to do group content.
It's b.s. that I'm screwed over by this when a giving me a couple points per vet level wouldn't have put me that far ahead of the 30 a v1 gets. Now, just like undaunted, or crafting achieves, I get to watch new players pass me by while I sit there without as many tools to earn points as they have.
Here's the thing I really don't get at all. How exactly does this advantage the casual? They would need to suddenly start playing massively more than they had been before, while you play massively less, for them to get ahead even slightly. Do you honestly think that's about to happen, or are you just being far too overly dramatic?
You have 5 VR14's you must have a played on all your characters probably in excess of 100days, that's going to be 50+ hours a week on average. In what world will a casual suddenly catch you up, neigh over take you?
Well, if you read what I wrote- I specifically said not casuals, but newer players that play as much as a player like me that just got into the game later.
Then level an alt, so you can quest even more. Yeah, it sucks you aren't getting your exp retroactively applied, but it isn't the same exp that new characters will be getting. It's exp in an entirely different system with different balancing.
We made Rank 14 at Vanilla WOW, it took a long time and a few weeks later everyone and his cat could get the title.
EA made a server move at SWTOR, thousands of players lost their legacy, guild and char names - no compensation ever.
So, I just got a neat little answer from ZoS about this theme. Apparently they are giving everyone 30 points because they want to start leveling the plain field between Vr1 and Vr14. Wanna know why? Because they are planning to strip all the veteran ranks without any consideration to the time and effort you spent going from vr1 to vr14.
And what does that mean? That leveling beyond vr1 is now completely pointless, since whatever progression you do during 1.6 will be nule and void. Isn't that brilliant of them?
They are also sadists... They are stripping us of our earned power and exp layer by later as form of prolonged torture, they are skinning us alive! Maybe they hope to lose less players by doing it little by little.