eliisra wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how is a more causal player with only one V14, suppose to gain CP in 1.6?

I'm not worried for myself. I have one of each class at level cap. I still have thousands of quest to do, even have Cadwells gold and entire maps left on some characters.

But a less "hardcore" player that didn't speed grind alts to level cap, well, they seem a bit screwed lol. At least if they want to do quest to progress and gain points. This while a VR1 has all content ahead of him, and the same amount of points. It doesn't add up. Hope I'm missing something?

They can do exactly what they are doing now. If they will have no content to do in the new system, it's because they have ran out of content now. So they are not doing anything now anyway.

No one will be progressing much in the new system until new content is out. Unless they do repeatable content.

This patch is a system patch, not a content one.

I know we don't have the big picture here, but like many, I'm having a disconnect. For me, finally reaching VR14 was a mark of survivability in PvP. A great achievement in status amongst my gaming peers and something that most players respected.

A VR1 and a VR14 are NOT the same. It's wrong that they both get the same status after moving to the champion system. It's just wrong. How can you not see this?

eliisra wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how is a more causal player with only one V14, suppose to gain CP in 1.6?

I'm not worried for myself. I have one of each class at level cap. I still have thousands of quest to do, even have Cadwells gold and entire maps left on some characters.

But a less "hardcore" player that didn't speed grind alts to level cap, well, they seem a bit screwed lol. At least if they want to do quest to progress and gain points. This while a VR1 has all content ahead of him, and the same amount of points. It doesn't add up. Hope I'm missing something?

I agree that the lack of solo alternatives is an issue. If someone is VR 10, he has nothing to do. AVA wont work as he is too weak, Dungeons with the LFG bug problematic and Wrothgar is not in sight yet.

But I am asking you this, how would we help those players if we now give them 60 CP? They still wont have content, they still cant progress further right?

I think that the best advice to those is a reroll or spending some time on an alt. As a Casual they will have several free slots still and once they leveled those up to VR 10 Wrothgar might already be there with the removal of VR rankings.

That said, we still don't know enough about 1.6 to make such assumptions. Maybe the Justice System will offer solo quest chains, maybe they add new quests for solo players in Crag ... We need to wait another week at least.

Giraffon wrote: »

A VR1 and a VR14 are NOT the same. It's wrong that they both get the same status after moving to the champion system. It's just wrong. How can you not see this?

You will still be VR14 and they will still be VR1. It is like giving 30 bucks to a millionaire (a VR14) and also 30 bucks to a guy living a trailer (a VR1). Yeah, they both got 30 bucks, but you'd still rather be the millionaire (a VR14), right? A VR14 will still be a lot more powerful than a VR1 in the new Update 6.

Gina, nice of you to tell us the truth.

ZOS, what the actual *** are you playing at? Words cannot express how idiotic I find this. Way to screw over the hardcore and most loyal players by taking a steaming crap on their hard work.

I hope at some point you all experience the same sort of dicking about and *** in something that you love and care about as much as your hardcore players love(d) this game.

To be clear - my v14 dk has completed ALL of Craglorn and ALL of Cadwell's Silver and ALL of Cadwell's Gold.

My v13.5 templar has completed ALL of Cadwell's Silver and ALL of Cadwell's Gold.

That's an awful lot of opportunities for CP to be earned that I've now lost because you've decided to move the goal posts 9 months after launch. My objection is on the basis that I'm way more likely to play through progressive story line quests and objectives and earn CP more or less as a side effect; when the only ways left for me to earn CP are through repetitive actions like daily quests my motivation slumps considerably and I am disadvantaged compared to the nubs who haven't completed all these quests. It suddenly becomes more grindy and a good deal less immersive.

No matter how much additional content you add there is still going to be this whole swathe of content that I can't earn CP from because I've already done it, yet all these other players can. It will never be fair and I expect you to do something to address this.

It also would have been courteous if you had bothered making an announcement when you ditched the idea of tracking our XP gains at V14.

Learn customer service.

I bet a certain person is wishing she'd waited a few more days now and got the Boss to post it since it's that big of an issue it should have been from him, but where is he......oh that's right he's distancing himself from ESO. Obviously don't want to be tagged with this fail to his name and ruin future job prospects

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

But still they do seem adamant on providing an equal starting ground for the champion system even at the loss of their loyal long time players that have committed endless hours to their game. They must be truly expecting an enormous influx of new players. But what could possibly bring them in?

Consoles will be on their dedicated servers, so that can't be it.

Players who started console accounts last year will (before the Fall I believe) will be able to transfer their PC characters over to consoles. So on day one of the console release, many players will have fully leveled characters to play. ZOS probably doesn't want the newbie console players coming in to discover that they're already hopelessly outclassed by the veterans.

Of course, that's assuming that ZOS keeps their promises on allowing transfer of characters in the first place--which, given their long track record of lying to us, is far from a given.

22.5 CP per Cadwells Silver and Gold. Hm, awarding 6‰ for completing more than half of all available solo content seems like a sure fire way to kill the solo game entirely, since that's no incentive at all to do them anymore. That's going to be worse of a brick wall than we got now. Even the enlightened 90 CP don't look that enticing either.

No game designer would give out such minuscule rewards for that great chunk of content. Even tho you can reach almost 90% of level progression by doing silver and gold currently, not all too many people went that route. Telling people they could possibly earn 2.4% of progression - if they take it really slow and have enlightenment up all the time - in the CS by doing it, renders that content pretty much useless for progression and you'll see even less folks than now in those zones.

Nope, it has to be worth more than that to make it viable content and is even worth more than that currently; 30 CP plus VR bonuses. And those bonuses have to translate into CP when VR is going away additionally to an increase of CP gain in silver and gold, otherwise it just won't be worthwhile.

And right there is the problem. The VR to CP transformation isn't happening and the - hopefully implemented - increased gain won't be retroactively rewarded. The loss for a veteran player who has done all that content compared to a new player is going to be a whole lot higher than just 22.5 CP and 90 even.

If it's not and 22.5 are indeed the correct amount, we're facing an even worse problem and that is an endless and tedious grind. But who knows, maybe it can be lessened with Enlightment Pots and CP booster packs...

Grao wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Just give VR+ players something. Maybe 1 point per VR level. Or 1 per 2 VR levels. How bad could that be if everyone has 30 for someone to have 7 more? Maybe there is a concern over players with multiple VR14 characters? Would making it only apply to one character for a limit of 7 (or 14) above the 30 be so bad?

From vr1 to vr14 you should earn 22 champion points. 22! I mean, seriously, why are we having to fight over such a small reward?

22 is for the original 1-10 VR zones, not VR 14.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys, just wanted to pop in and put this to rest. What Kai said a few days ago is correct. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, once Update 6 is released and you have at least one Veteran Rank character, all your characters will receive 30 Champion Points - no more, no less. This will only occur at the onset of Update 6; after this is released, you will gain Champion Points one at a time as designed.

A few months ago, it was said that we were tracking XP. However, this was still early in development and through internal testing and feedback, found that we needed to change our plans (and, honestly, this quite normal through the course of development). We understand that this was, indeed, a major change from what we were originally planning. In an effort to be open with everyone about how things were going and what was planned, it caused a great deal of confusion, and we sincerely apologize for that.

As it has been said a number of times, we certainly encourage you to hop on the PTS once this is available in January and try out the system. This is also a great chance to plan how you'd like to build your character once it's live!

Hope you all are enjoying the holidays, and we'll see you in the new year.

1. You aren't being totally honest with us about the whole 'tracking xp' thing and all that happened with it (posters may lol at this one, but I know). It's for this reason alone I'm considering whether to continue on as a customer, even without the fact that I feel I'm being cheated.

2. It doesn't solve the issue of feeling cheated. I have 5 1/2 characters that are done with silver/gold content. There is nothing in the game, despite what you guys keep saying about "making sure xp is even all over" that gives XP at that rate to a player that mainly quests. With that said, some questions (that no site will have the balls to ask you):

• What is going to be in the game THE FIRST MONTH of the champion system to replace that much silver/gold for players in my position?

• If you are worried about someone in my shoes starting ahead a little bit, then why is it ok for us to fall behind by not having the same content available? & If the system has a built in diminishing returns, then why worry about someone being a little ahead?

• Why do you think a v1 deserves the same points as someone with a v14 or several v14s when they don't have the same amount of content available to do, nor have they earned millions upon millions of xp already?

• If you found out you couldn't or wouldn't track xp in development, why were players not told of this that very second and instead weeks or months after this knowledge was known to you guys?

• If they reason for this change was because of the points being lowered, then why wasn't the same thing done to initial points instead of giving everyone the same amount (ie, just give everyone 25% of what you were originally going to give them when the overall point total was higher)?

• This one will sound crazy, but: How many times is ZoS going to roll something out that penalizes those that have played your game the most? First new achievement added in with dye system (harder to get certain crafting achieves when you've leveled up your crafting all the way and don't need to gather or break down as much), then undaunted passives (harder for players that already did dungeons and got achieves to open up new passives - my main is still at undaunted 7 when others that were casual about dungeons hit 9 weeks ago), now champion system (v1 players have 14 million + xp ahead of them in extra questing content that a v14 that didn't grind does not have) . Is the plan to keep players from getting too far ahead to roll out new content that forces a new starting point on certain aspects of the game? By having weak end-game content at this point and constantly putting those "hard core" players in a bad position, do you expect to maintain the game long term on casual players and new blood?

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I didn't read all the posts.
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Sweet mother... the level that some people are "nuking" this issue is mind boggling.

I'd like to offer this suggestion:

30 champion points ÷ 14 VR levels = 2.1428

Give 30 CP to every account that has one VR14, then give 2 champion points per VR level for the highest level character on an account (e.g. a VR 7 would garner you 14 CP, two VR7's would garner you 28 CP). Up to the maximum 30 per account. Then during the "transition" period make Champion points available every 500,000 VP up to 30. After 30 Champion points have been awarded to an account have the new method you intend to handle the rewarding of champion points take effect.

A person that has a VR14 will not equal a VR1 in champion points.
A person that does not have a VR14 will be able to see the champion system and work relatively quickly toward the 30 CP everyone else has received.

Grao wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Just give VR+ players something. Maybe 1 point per VR level. Or 1 per 2 VR levels. How bad could that be if everyone has 30 for someone to have 7 more? Maybe there is a concern over players with multiple VR14 characters? Would making it only apply to one character for a limit of 7 (or 14) above the 30 be so bad?

From vr1 to vr14 you should earn 22 champion points. 22! I mean, seriously, why are we having to fight over such a small reward?

22 is for the original 1-10 VR zones, not VR 14.

Yes, I corrected my self. It is not my math ^^ Still, it is a ridiculously low number when compared to 3600...

3600 is the upper cap, no one is actually intended to reach that, even after years of playing. Don't see 3600 as in anyway a target. Also the difference in power between a 2400 player and 3600 player would be tiny, due to just how harsh diminishing returns would be at those values.

Guppet wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Just give VR+ players something. Maybe 1 point per VR level. Or 1 per 2 VR levels. How bad could that be if everyone has 30 for someone to have 7 more? Maybe there is a concern over players with multiple VR14 characters? Would making it only apply to one character for a limit of 7 (or 14) above the 30 be so bad?

From vr1 to vr14 you should earn 22 champion points. 22! I mean, seriously, why are we having to fight over such a small reward?

22 is for the original 1-10 VR zones, not VR 14.

Yes, I corrected my self. It is not my math ^^ Still, it is a ridiculously low number when compared to 3600...

3600 is the upper cap, no one is actually intended to reach that, even after years of playing. Don't see 3600 as in anyway a target. Also the difference in power between a 2400 player and 3600 player would be tiny, due to just how harsh diminishing returns would be at those values.

I think you mean, 'how pointless levelling up any more will be'

you know when they said roughly 1 CP per hour? Well if the cap is 3600 then that's only 150 days solid. Nothing to some of these grinder players.