Official PAY 2 WIN (grand overlord)

Xarc

crown store june 2021 : https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/60165

Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Grand



This consumable can be used only by players level 10 and above. You gain a 150% experience bonus to Alliance Rank and Alliance War Skill Lines from all sources for 1 hour. The timer pauses when you are offline, and resumes when you return. This bonus is compatible with other foods or drinks.

The Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Grand will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms, starting on June 24 at 10am EDT.

Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Major




This consumable can be used only by players level 10 and above. You gain a 100% experience bonus to Alliance Rank and Alliance War Skill Lines from all sources for 1 hour. The timer pauses when you are offline, and resumes when you return. This bonus is compatible with other foods or drinks.

The Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Major will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms, starting on June 24 at 10am EDT.

RPGplayer13579

Since when was it possible for a character under level 10 to even go to Cyrodiil?

Mayrael

Why I am not surprised? -_-' You know what will be next? Companion XP scrolls! Let's introduce some new grindy mechanic and sell stuff to speed it up.

joseayalac

How does Grand Overlord make you win? It doesn't affect stats in anyway as far as I'm concerned.

@Xarc

virtus753

This is a curious choice of line to draw.

Why is Grand Overlord “winning” but not something that represents in-game power, like the CP cap? (There have been XP boosting scrolls for ages.)

Grand Overlord grants a title, an icon, and the right to buy a furnishing. If that’s winning, then selling houses in the crown store is more pay 2 win — at least those include the furnishings in the cost and don’t make you work to decorate.

ETA: Forgot the GO achievement. Of which buying a house in the crown store can earn you several.

Flamebait

If I am not fully mistaken then these are the exact same thing as the colvian war tortes aren't they? With that being the case the fact that the exact same thing is player crafted in-game completely removes the pay to win from existing to start with. Second as others have mentioned a title that gives you nothing but a cosmetic really is not anything that can be called winning outside of some nebulous personal feeling of accomplishment that you may or may not have towards it.

eovogtb16_ESO

Theres a recipe to make the scrolls as well iirc so you would be able to buy these from guild traders.

Jierdanit

And what exactly about that is pay2win now?

The only thing it helps you with is getting high alliance ranks faster and leveling Assault and Support faster.
Neither of which really seems to be pay2win to me.

SamaelHQ

If it effects the leaderboard and will get you to Emperor relatively easier than others, yes it could be considered as pay to win. However, if it only affects the skill line and rank progressions then who cares.

tonyblack

SamaelHQ wrote: »

If it effects the leaderboard and will get you to Emperor relatively easier than others, yes it could be considered as pay to win. However, if it only affects the skill line and rank progressions then who cares.

It isn’t affecting leaderboard score, just rank

Xarc

Getting achievements easier and faster isnt p2w?

Greensea

Xarc wrote: »

Getting achievements easier and faster isnt p2w?

Not when it's just a paid version of something that can already be crafted or bought with in game gold.

Brrrofski

It's just a quicker way to get a title and some skill points.

Also, you can obtain it in game.

To be honest, compared to thins like xp scrolls and even buying skill lines and skyshards, this is quite low down on anything you could even consider pay to win.

virtus753

Xarc wrote: »

Getting achievements easier and faster isnt p2w?

By that definition both houses and XP scrolls are also p2w.

valkyrie93

As the name states I’m pretty sure this is just for the skill line, not your pvp rank/title

virtus753

valkyrie93 wrote: »

As the name states I’m pretty sure this is just for the skill line, not your pvp rank/title

Both descriptions explicitly state they affect Alliance War rank as well as skill lines. That is how the in-game tortes work as well.

Greensea

valkyrie93 wrote: »

As the name states I’m pretty sure this is just for the skill line, not your pvp rank/title

It does count towards your Alliance War rank as well as the skill line. It doesn't give you extra spendable AP, but it artificially boosts your progression towards the next rank as if it had.

zvavi

There are many things in this game that can be considered pay to win, this, is not one of them.

ApoAlaia

eovogtb16_ESO wrote: »

Theres a recipe to make the scrolls as well iirc so you would be able to buy these from guild traders.

There are.

However besides the 50% one where the 'special ingredient' is significantly less grievous to acquire and not nearly as 'in demand' - thus much cheaper to buy from traders - than perfect roe for the rest... well, good luck to you sir.

If one is after AP I guess farming Tel-Var in Tamriel Gank Central to buy both the cipher and the required ingredient is not much of an issue, par for the course I'd think, however for the White-Gold War Torte, both the cipher needed for the recipe and the ingredient required to 'cook' it, not sure if anyone saying 'but there is a free option' has really looked into what it entails.

Or... or... I could just sell you some scrolls for a few bob? What about that?

Valerien

Next ESO plus will be paid to win as it gives a 10% bonus.

There are far worse out there for pay to win in other MMO's, give these guys a break with the hyperbole at least until you have experienced the monetarisation that companies like EA consider acceptable.

Lady_Galadhiel

This is exactly same as the war tortes,they also boost both but dont give extra AP,so those scrolls are same as the normal exp scrolls and the ambrosia in PVE.
You have war tortes and now the alliance rank scrolls on crown store for PvP
What exactly is making you win if you have a higher pvp rank btw?

Xarc

What is win ?

olsborg

Xarc wrote: »

What is win ?

Yea this, having a high pvp rank does not make you better at pvp, so what is the win?

InvitationNotFound

Xarc wrote: »

What is win ?

No

jircris11

Soooo I win eso pvp if I buy this? So tired if Ppl claiming everything is p2w cause they are unable to understand having the skills does not make you good at pvp. When they start selling insta win tokens or gear/costumes with Game changing stats then it will be p2w. U till then it's all convince.

Veita

God I wish ppl knew what p2w means... I am so sick of this stupid behavior. Zenimax is a freaking company and they have the goal to make as much money as possible, as every company, and therefore they have to design new ways to get more money without hurting their concept of ESO in regards of offering no items that allow your character to have a stronger weapon/armor/ability.

This scroll literally does the same as other exp-granting items that get offered via online shop. HOW is this P2W AT ALL?
It doesn't matter if a character can gain alliance ranks/points faster than others, who cares. Thats just a boost for having the ability - that you also can have without that scroll, just later - faster and nothing else.

Stop your damn doom and gloom mongering and understand what p2w means.

"Character A" without that scroll has - in the end - the same abilities as "Character B" that used these scrolls. Character A has just to farm a bit longer.

axi

Xarc wrote: »

What is win ?

baby dont hurt me
don't hurt me
no more

Xarc

olsborg wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

What is win ?

Yea this, having a high pvp rank does not make you better at pvp, so what is the win?

so what is win ?

Is it only considered as win when you 're able to kill other people ? Why do you kill other people ? to get points ? why getting points ? To get ranks ? Why getting pvp ranks ?
So why getting ranks faster isnt considered as win ?

(and btw I think buyable XP scrolls is the same)

ApoAlaia

Veita wrote: »

God I wish ppl knew what p2w means... I am so sick of this stupid behavior. Zenimax is a freaking company and they have the goal to make as much money as possible, as every company, and therefore they have to design new ways to get more money without hurting their concept of ESO in regards of offering no items that allow your character to have a stronger weapon/armor/ability.

This scroll literally does the same as other exp-granting items that get offered via online shop. HOW is this P2W AT ALL?
It doesn't matter if a character can gain alliance ranks/points faster than others, who cares. Thats just a boost for having the ability - that you also can have without that scroll, just later - faster and nothing else.

Stop your damn doom and gloom mongering and understand what p2w means.

"Character A" without that scroll has - in the end - the same abilities as "Character B" that used these scrolls. Character A has just to farm a bit longer.

I don't think is P2W, I think is Pay for Convenience.

Creating grindy mechanics and selling you the means to circumvent them for cash has been a staple of monetization in the games industry for quite a while.

Some game companies have even ported the model to single player games, no idea to what degree of success.

Danikat

Honestly I'm surprised they're not just selling the completed skill lines in the crown store like they do for PvE ones.

I agree this isn't pay-to-win exactly since you still have to play to build up your rank and skill lines and don't really win anything for completing them, and it's comparable to boosters available in-game. But I think it comes under what I've started calling 'pay to not play' where you can buy a game and then pay extra to skip playing parts of it (or do it for less time). Which is usually less problematic (especially as it's often only the person paying who misses out) but still not great because it incentivises developers to create problems (like long, grindy progression systems) and then charge extra for the solution.

RPGplayer13579 wrote: »

Since when was it possible for a character under level 10 to even go to Cyrodiil?

It's not. That's probably why they don't let you use the scroll below level 10, it would be completely wasted because you can't get into a map where you can use it.

Hymzir

It's not really pay to win. It's still silly and fleecing your player base. It's pay to skip content, something I've never understood, but obviously a lucrative way to milk one's customers, since so many are willing to pay for the "convenience" of not actually playing the game.

Sure, a lot of the so called content is boring and grindy and obviously designed to be as aggravating as possible to complete, so you are incentivized to pay extra to skip it and go straight to the end zone, but still... If the activity itself is not entertaining enough to do on it's own, I just prefer not to do it. There are tons of other games out there to fill one's leisure time with.

Everyone is, of course, free to do with their money what they will, and if fast tracking yourself to the top of the Alliance ranks makes your day better, then go for it. I just don't really see the point either way - What do you when you get to rank 50? Not like AP in itself has much point, everyone who actually plays PVP regularly has millions of it sitting idle, and the game pours skill points on you copiously enough already. Way more than what one actually needs for playing the game.

I just hate it that we've reached the point where so many people feel the presence of "boosters" to be normal and acceptable state of things. It's like coin slot games have returned to dominate gaming, just in a virtual sense, and people are accustomed to having to pay extra for an actually enjoyably gaming experience. Sigh.