Official PAY 2 WIN (grand overlord)

FangOfTheTwoMoons

Ignore this I'm a dummy

Odovacar

Hamboot wrote: »

Odovacar wrote: »

I have 1 proud Grand Overlord and she can still get blasted like a volunteer sometimes...AVA rank is not a indication of skill, period.

It is not an indication of skill maybe, but it sure is an achievement that people put time and effort to get, it's create a very powerful sense of achievement, attachment and progression to your character. Just like all achievements and titles. It's very important, you might not care about achievement or titles or rewards but a lot of people who play this game do. And besides just because you see someone with volunteer as a title doesn't mean they are really in volunteer rank.

I know how long and hard it took to get my grand overlord title and it was important to me. All I was saying is it does not indicate high skilled players. I also care about my other achievements and titles I worked hard for. Lastly, lol, i know people troll with volunteer titles, etc. I was making a point that AvA rank ...well you know what I mean.

Hamboot

Klad wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Klad wrote: »

It would be nice if once just once we had a day without folks screaming "Pay to win!!" in Their shrill shrill voices.

Also pay to win what exactly? What do you win in a MMO?

Not a damn thing, because there is no ending.

This might not be a pay 2 win element, but it just devaluate any sense of progression players who mainly play pvp might have in this game.

My dude

Maybe for you and that's cool, but I nor anyone else is bound by a few opinions...that is the road to what happened in SWG with the "New players enhancements"

Again I can speak for the overwhelming majority of ESO player base when I say that achievement, rewards, titles (be them pve ones like Godslayer or pvp ones like Grand Overlord), and crafting motifs are extremely crucial elements that makes someone feel a sense of accomplishment and progression in this game.

vesselwiththepestle

FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

This is hilarious. Pretty sure the War Torte only gives extra exp to your Alliance Skill lines.

You are wrong, they add to your Alliance Rank.

FangOfTheTwoMoons

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »

This is hilarious. Pretty sure the War Torte only gives extra exp to your Alliance Skill lines.

You are wrong, they add to your Alliance Rank.

It looks like I am. Thank you for pointing it out.

Hamboot

Odovacar wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Odovacar wrote: »

I have 1 proud Grand Overlord and she can still get blasted like a volunteer sometimes...AVA rank is not a indication of skill, period.

It is not an indication of skill maybe, but it sure is an achievement that people put time and effort to get, it's create a very powerful sense of achievement, attachment and progression to your character. Just like all achievements and titles. It's very important, you might not care about achievement or titles or rewards but a lot of people who play this game do. And besides just because you see someone with volunteer as a title doesn't mean they are really in volunteer rank.

I know how long and hard it took to get my grand overlord title and it was important to me. All I was saying is it does not indicate high skilled players. I also care about my other achievements and titles I worked hard for. Lastly, lol, i know people troll with volunteer titles, etc. I was making a point that AvA rank ...well you know what I mean.

My main point is that regardless of whether it is or not p2w (I don't believe it is ) it is still equally extremely disappointing and crappy.

Odovacar

Hamboot wrote: »

Odovacar wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Odovacar wrote: »

I have 1 proud Grand Overlord and she can still get blasted like a volunteer sometimes...AVA rank is not a indication of skill, period.

It is not an indication of skill maybe, but it sure is an achievement that people put time and effort to get, it's create a very powerful sense of achievement, attachment and progression to your character. Just like all achievements and titles. It's very important, you might not care about achievement or titles or rewards but a lot of people who play this game do. And besides just because you see someone with volunteer as a title doesn't mean they are really in volunteer rank.

I know how long and hard it took to get my grand overlord title and it was important to me. All I was saying is it does not indicate high skilled players. I also care about my other achievements and titles I worked hard for. Lastly, lol, i know people troll with volunteer titles, etc. I was making a point that AvA rank ...well you know what I mean.

My main point is that regardless of whether it is or not p2w (I don't believe it is ) it is still equally extremely disappointing and crappy.

I hear you @Hamboot I hear what you're saying.

If it takes someone half the time it took me to get GO (and it took years as I play both PvE and PvP competitively focusing mainly on PvE on multiple accounts) then so be it in my opinion. Also, what about all the sub-par players who pay for carries then flaunt their skins around that took me and my guild countless hours to earn...its all optics my friend don't let it ruin your enjoyment of the game. Let them do them it shouldn't irritate us to the core.

We all know ZOS caters to the new player base and yeah it can sting as a Vet but I refuse to let it put me in a mood. Besides...look at all the Murder Mahogany achievements your alts will get off an 125 day grinded GO

DreamsUnderStars

This isn't pay to win, this is an xp scroll, same as the pve xp scrolls. Do they give you god-mode and let you one-shot other players? No. Does it give you max tier pvp armour or weapons? No.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Xarc wrote: »

crown store june 2021 : https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/60165

Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Grand



This consumable can be used only by players level 10 and above. You gain a 150% experience bonus to Alliance Rank and Alliance War Skill Lines from all sources for 1 hour. The timer pauses when you are offline, and resumes when you return. This bonus is compatible with other foods or drinks.

The Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Grand will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms, starting on June 24 at 10am EDT.

Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Major




This consumable can be used only by players level 10 and above. You gain a 100% experience bonus to Alliance Rank and Alliance War Skill Lines from all sources for 1 hour. The timer pauses when you are offline, and resumes when you return. This bonus is compatible with other foods or drinks.

The Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Major will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms, starting on June 24 at 10am EDT.

The are the pvp equivalant of the exp scroll
Like the torte are the pvp equivalent to the ambrosia

Also the 50% one is alredy in the crownstore

tmbrinks

Reverb wrote: »

So much hyperbole here.

1) this doesn’t level alliance ranks, only the skill lines. It works exactly the same as the 50/100/150% buff foods that were introduced in the last patch, this just makes those buffs available in the crown store in addition to the rare recipes that sell for 2m and up. It’s beneficial for unlocking the speed passives, barrier and warhorn on new toons and that’s it. It won’t speed anyone getting to GO

2) even if it did speed rank leveling (which it doesn’t) it still wouldn’t be pay to win, because nothing is won by being a GO. I didn’t become all powerful the first time I hit rank 49, and my house doesn’t get any new perks by having a decoy elder scroll it.

In order to be p2w there must be tangible power-benefit only obtained through an outlay of cash. That just doesn’t exist in this scenario. OP is just being a doomsayer without cause.

And to anyone still throwing fits about this - Colovian War Torts sell for cheap in the guild traders.

Unequivocally False. It absolutely, verifiably affects the alliance ranks, all up to GO.

I personally used them during the last MYM because they did exactly this. Not big on PVP, but wanted the achievements and furnishings that came from getting that achievement. So I spent a lot of gold (10+ million) to buy enough 150% war tortes to last me through MYM and lived in Cyrodiil during the event. Made about 10 million AP, but gained about 23 million "points" towards GO.

virtus753

Xarc wrote: »

(and btw I think buyable XP scrolls is the same)

That ship sailed in June of 2015. It was just over a year from the PC launch. Consoles got just under two months of ESO before buyable XP scrolls were introduced there.

Reverb wrote: »

So much hyperbole here.

1) this doesn’t level alliance ranks, only the skill lines. It works exactly the same as the 50/100/150% buff foods that were introduced in the last patch, this just makes those buffs available in the crown store in addition to the rare recipes that sell for 2m and up. It’s beneficial for unlocking the speed passives, barrier and warhorn on new toons and that’s it. It won’t speed anyone getting to GO

If these didn't level Alliance ranks as explicitly stated in the description, ZOS would be open to complaints of false advertising. War Tortes help Alliance rank, and so (per the advertisement) will these scrolls.

jaws343

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Goregrinder

Jierdanit wrote: »

And what exactly about that is pay2win now?

The only thing it helps you with is getting high alliance ranks faster and leveling Assault and Support faster.
Neither of which really seems to be pay2win to me.

Yeah I'm stumped too..you don't really "win"...you just level up a rank, which doesn't do anything. If something is Pay To Win, that means when I pull my wallet out and pay $$, I expect to immediately win. But what is there to win here?

Hamboot

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

OtarTheMad

I think people are really grasping here. What are you "winning"? And, btw, methods are already in-game that are similar to this that you can get with gold or killing a boss in a cyro dungeon sooooo.... what? BTW, someone in lowbie got GO... so don't tell me the title means anything anymore... so someone can buy a scroll to get a title and a new dye... who the f cares.

jaws343

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sens of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos has pretty much started selling achievement and titles with this boost.

But it is the point. Either the achievement is an actual achievement rather than just time spent following the zerg and it matters. Or it is just a measure of following the zerg around and it doesn't matter.

It's no different than CP as a gauge for player skill or even player longevity in the game. Without knowing whether the player earned that CP by playing the game or by grinding Alikr dolmens, the CP number is a useless measure. Just as Grand Overlord is a useless measure of an achievement.

Hamboot

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sens of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos has pretty much started selling achievement and titles with this boost.

But it is the point. Either the achievement is an actual achievement rather than just time spent following the zerg and it matters. Or it is just a measure of following the zerg around and it doesn't matter.

It's no different than CP as a gauge for player skill or even player longevity in the game. Without knowing whether the player earned that CP by playing the game or by grinding Alikr dolmens, the CP number is a useless measure. Just as Grand Overlord is a useless measure of an achievement.

Whether you think that this achievement "is a fake or not a real achievement" is completely irrelevant. As it is TECHNICALLY an achievement that comes with a title and rewards that allow to buy a bunch of housing stuff in the housing merchant in your faction's base, on top of a title that you can use on your character.

This isn't equivalent to CP, because CP is merely a new level there are no achievements that comes with it. CP part of the game's leveling system that increases the power of your character, very different from Alliance Rank which is an achievement, that also technically tracks your progress in pvp through a new number that goes up to 50.

Tornaad

Pay to win = something I could purchase to guarantee that I would win, because I purchased it when the other guy didn't have it regardless of skill.
When it comes to PVP no amount of experience scrolls would let me win.
I'm not sure I could win a dual against a level one player if I was a CP 3000 wielding Volendrung's hammer, with the Emperor bonuses backing me up.
So, no, that is not Pay to win.

jaws343

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sens of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos has pretty much started selling achievement and titles with this boost.

But it is the point. Either the achievement is an actual achievement rather than just time spent following the zerg and it matters. Or it is just a measure of following the zerg around and it doesn't matter.

It's no different than CP as a gauge for player skill or even player longevity in the game. Without knowing whether the player earned that CP by playing the game or by grinding Alikr dolmens, the CP number is a useless measure. Just as Grand Overlord is a useless measure of an achievement.

Whether you think that this achievement "is a fake or not a real achievement" is completely irrelevant. As it is TECHNICALLY an achievement that comes with a title and rewards that allow to buy a bunch of housing stuff in the housing merchant in your faction's base, on top of a title that you can use on your character.

This isn't equivalent to CP, because CP is merely a new level there are no achievements that comes with it. CP part of the game's leveling system that increases the power of your character, very different from Alliance Rank.

I am quite literally only speaking on your evaluation in a previous comment that the achievement shows effort. Which it does not. As I already said, the more effort you expend in PVP for this the longer it takes to do it, since the most efficient way is follow the zerg/faction stack. Speeding up that process is irrelevant since the requirements to get it already are fairly irrelevant.

Now, if say the way to get Grand Overlord was something more substantial, like kill 1 million players, then maybe you'd have a point. Since killing players requires more skill to do, so if a war torte were to double your player kill count whenever you kill a player, it'd be pretty dumb. But as it is only decreasing time to do something, it is pretty irrelevant. Since time as a measure of achievement is arbitrary.

Xarc

By "win", you only see fights.

That's the problem. I do not consider only fights, but titles, achievements, etc. Theses are our objectives, fights are only ways to reach it.
So when a game is selling boosts to get faster the achievement, i say it's p2w.

jaws343

Xarc wrote: »

by "win", you only see a fight.

that's the problem. I do not consider only fights, but titles, achievements, etc. Theses are our objectives, fights are only ways to reach it.
So when a game is selling boosts to get faster the achievement, i'm saying it's p2w.

But pay to win implies that the item is not available in the game already. It is, it can be earned, crafted, traded, etc, already in game. So no, not pay to win because the crown store version offers nothing more than the in game version.

Klad

Hamboot wrote: »

Klad wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Klad wrote: »

It would be nice if once just once we had a day without folks screaming "Pay to win!!" in Their shrill shrill voices.

Also pay to win what exactly? What do you win in a MMO?

Not a damn thing, because there is no ending.

This might not be a pay 2 win element, but it just devaluate any sense of progression players who mainly play pvp might have in this game.

My dude

Maybe for you and that's cool, but I nor anyone else is bound by a few opinions...that is the road to what happened in SWG with the "New players enhancements"

Again I can speak for the overwhelming majority of ESO player base when I say that achievement, rewards, titles (be them pve ones like Godslayer or pvp ones like Grand Overlord), and crafting motifs are extremely crucial elements that makes someone feel a sense of accomplishment and progression in this game.

Bull...You can't speak for anyone except yourself.

Xarc

Where is the fun ?

I mean, why dont zenimax sell a character with all achievements already ? I'm sure many people would buy if with real money.
Perhaps I'm an oldshool player. For me, achievements & titles must be deserved.

Jeffrey530

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

Hamboot

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievements (there are 50) almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

tmbrinks

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievements (there are 50) almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

1. The war tortes, which do the same thing, have been in game for at least 6 months now.

2. It will still take you hundreds of hours of time in Cyrodiil to get the 64m "points" you need. Even on MYM w/ 150% war-torte, that's 25.6 million AP you need to earn. Even on MYM, where getting 200k an hour is "good" that's over 100 hours at 200k AP an hour continuously running a scroll to get it. I'd hardly call that "instantly"

Hamboot

tmbrinks wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievements (there are 50) almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

1. The war tortes, which do the same thing, have been in game for at least 6 months now.

2. It will still take you hundreds of hours of time in Cyrodiil to get the 64m "points" you need. Even on MYM w/ 150% war-torte, that's 25.6 million AP you need to earn. Even on MYM, where getting 200k an hour is "good" that's over 100 hours at 200k AP an hour continuously running a scroll to get it. I'd hardly call that "instantly"

1. That's completely irrelevant and doesn't show in any way that I agree with it.

2. Going to midyear with that boost you will get a new alliance war rank (which is considered an achievement) almost immediately especially the very first ones.

itscompton

Xarc wrote: »

Getting achievements easier and faster isnt p2w?

What are you winning at and who are you competing against? And what do you win as a prize?

Jeffrey530

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievement almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument.

Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please.

Video game is primarily for fun no? If you care so much about achievement through means of game progression, why even play eso in the first place? You can literally buy godslayer with gold.

Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier? This is a challenge for one self. I went through what was required at the time to get these achievements but more than welcome for these to be easier for fellow players to get as well.

rpa

It's a "timesaver" you pay to skip a timegate or ease some grind. Plenty of those in Crown store already. Anyone who does not pay can do the grind hard way or feed horse and research traits half year with each character and get it done in this game. Some other games actually do have impossible grinds or waits during gameplay and in those particular games "timesavers" indeed are pay 2 win.

I would not pay to not play a game because not playing it at all would make more sense. But it's just me.