Official PAY 2 WIN (grand overlord)

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Here we go with another P2W thread. I agree that some things ZOS does is on the P2W spectrum, generally pretty low on the spectrum, but this doesnt seem particularly egregious. GO is nothing more than a title. Titles have been for sale directly in the Crown Store since housing was released (Count/Countess).

XP scrolls are much more important for player power than AR rank, and they have been on sale for ever. Most people are going to argue that simple time savers arent P2W. While I might not totally agree with that, that is certainly all this is.

It does admittedly fit a pattern which is, make something grindy and sell a short cut, but that is pretty common place in current video game business models.

driosketch

Let's take a step back.

150% of 0 is still 0.

Even with the bonus, you have to actually go into PvP and earn AP, mainly by... well, Winning. (Even repairs require your Alliance to take and hold keeps and resources.)

This would be terrible as a pay-to-win model. It's a modifier to your rank up, but you still have to do the work.

tmbrinks

Hamboot wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievements (there are 50) almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

1. The war tortes, which do the same thing, have been in game for at least 6 months now.

2. It will still take you hundreds of hours of time in Cyrodiil to get the 64m "points" you need. Even on MYM w/ 150% war-torte, that's 25.6 million AP you need to earn. Even on MYM, where getting 200k an hour is "good" that's over 100 hours at 200k AP an hour continuously running a scroll to get it. I'd hardly call that "instantly"

1. That's completely irrelevant and doesn't show in any way that I agree with it.

2. Going to midyear with that boost you will get a new alliance war rank (which is considered an achievement) almost immediately especially the very first ones.

You get 2+ ranks now just stepping into Cyrodiil and doing the intro quest even without any MYM or Torte.

Heck, you can get Cyrodiil ranks from just collecting daily rewards of AP Are those P2W?

Kiralyn2000

Hamboot wrote: »

Again I can speak for the overwhelming majority of ESO player base when I say that achievement, rewards, titles (be them pve ones like Godslayer or pvp ones like Grand Overlord), and crafting motifs are extremely crucial elements that makes someone feel a sense of accomplishment and progression in this game.

Citation needed



I know I can only speak for myself, but I've never understood the whole "achievement chasing" thing. Especially the bizarre console version, where people are so focused on their total "points" that they buy & speedrun games that they have no interest in except for the achievement points. Also, hopefully not to disappoint anyone, but I've never noticed your titles.
Crafting motifs - yeah, those I enjoy collecting. But I'm not worked up over the fact that you can sometimes grab a book from the crown store. Because you can also buy pages from guild shops. Or find them in anniversary boxes. Or whatever. And I also don't care what motifs other people have, or that they got them faster/easier/whatever than I did. "Accomplishment and progression" from collecting motifs? Meh, if you say so. /shrug

...thinking about it, I care about collecting motifs to have more appearance options to build outfits out of. I don't care about "gotta catch 'em all" or making complete sets. I guess that's where the whole "accomplishment" thing would come in? If so, then yeah - that's not me, either.

Hamboot

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievement almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument.

Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please.

Video game is primarily for fun no? If you care so much about achievement through means of game progression, why even play eso in the first place? You can literally buy godslayer with gold.

Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier? This is a challenge for one self. I went through what was required at the time to get these achievements but more than welcome for these to be easier for fellow players to get as well.

"Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument."

I will show it you when the item get released how much time it will take to get the first few ranks. How much time do you think it takes to the very first one? (without even the mid year event).

" Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please."

It seems like you have troubles understanding the English language, I did not say that they are already sold I used another tense to talk about the next step ZOS will take after putting this boost in the crown store which will literally giving players achievements almost if not instantly (as it takes pretty no time to get the first few ARs without any ap boost). I said that I'm concerned that zos might decide to start selling other achievements in the cash shop directly or indirectly through some mechanism like this.


"You can literally buy godslayer with gold."
You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

"Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier?"
It's not about you, it's about the direction the game is going with through this disappointing micro transaction.

Vaoh

You’re not getting bonus AP though. So it’s not like you get more AP to sell for gold by using these.

But....

The cost of making the non-Crown versions of the 100% and especially 150% are insane.

Xarc

rpa wrote: »

Plenty of those in Crown store already.

I never said it was something new.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Here we go with another P2W thread.

feel free to leave this thread so.

amm7sb14_ESO

Not pay to win

VaranisArano

Did we have this level of handwringing when ZOS lowered the amount of AP necessary to get Alliance Ranks?

Or when Midyear Mayhem launched with massive AP boosts for the duration?

Or when ZOS introduced the War tortes?

If we're complaining about achievements being made easier and devalued through monetization, let's remember that Grand Overlord (and indeed most of the Alliance War skills) is a great example of ZOS making it more accessible prior to monetization.

I got my Alliance War skills before ZOS made them easier to get. I reached Legate without using War tortes, but with plenty of sweet Midyear Mayhem AP. I really don't feel like I can complain about walking uphill both ways, compared to newer players who might want to shell out the cash/gold for these scrolls.

Kiralyn2000

Vaoh wrote: »

You’re not getting bonus AP though. So it’s not like you get more AP to sell for gold by using these.

But....

The cost of making the non-Crown versions of the 100% and especially 150% are insane.

Hmm, it'd be interesting to compare the gold cost of making the consumables, and the crown-gifting cost of buying the scroll with gold.

(I know that in other games that have similar trading of cash-shop items, people use comparisons like that to see if the exchange rate from <gold equivalent> to <crowns equivalent> is relatively accurate.)

amm7sb14_ESO

Raptorcorn wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

"Pay to Win" is when you give cash, and you get a literal/direct/otherwise-unobtainable Power Advantage over other players who do not give cash. Like, weapons and armor that are more powerful than those available in-game, so you can best your opponents in direct competition (i.e, fighting other people in PvP, or topping PvE leaderboards).

You mean like buying expansions or eso+ vs. just the base game?

Not at all. That is entirely new content. Why is paying for expansions suddenly seen as "pay 2 win"

Xarc

VaranisArano wrote: »

Did we have this level of handwringing when ZOS lowered the amount of AP necessary to get Alliance Ranks?

Or when Midyear Mayhem launched with massive AP boosts for the duration?

Or when ZOS introduced the War tortes?

If we're complaining about achievements being made easier and devalued through monetization, let's remember that Grand Overlord (and indeed most of the Alliance War skills) is a great example of ZOS making it more accessible prior to monetization. So it really sounds to me like this is some grade A "When I was your age, I walked to school two miles in the snow uphill both ways" griping.

It 's a good thing you 're talking about that, because I always said and still say it was a bad idea.
I remember when taking a keep was 150ap only. I remember when people earned their AP by defending and killing people. They deserved their ranks, and the achievement for killing a grand overlord was something.

Now the game is just a western version of a corean grind mmo. But since people (americans, europeans) are lazy players who dont want to grind a lot, they add a lot of boosts from XP scrolls, XP cakes, and AP scroll is just the pvp version of this ***.

Malkiv

Hamboot wrote: »

Again I can speak for the overwhelming majority of ESO player base when I say that achievement, rewards, titles (be them pve ones like Godslayer or pvp ones like Grand Overlord), and crafting motifs are extremely crucial elements that makes someone feel a sense of accomplishment and progression in this game.

You cannot speak for the overwhelming majority, because you can only speak for yourself.

You cannot compare GO to GS. You can literally lose your way to GO given enough time. To obtain GS, even if you "buy" it, will cost you well over 200mil gold, requires a third party to log into your account and play for you, and could take multiple tries - during which you lose access to your account to play because someone else is logged in. The entire process could take well over a week, at the expense of not only gold, but also play time and the fact someone else is logged into your account.

To obtain GS legitimately, well, that's still not even the same thing as a point-based achievement. That's like saying the outfits that come with leveling up CP are sacred, and that it could be compared to GS because of a "sense of accomplishment and progression".

amm7sb14_ESO

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Again I can speak for the overwhelming majority of ESO player base when I say that achievement, rewards, titles (be them pve ones like Godslayer or pvp ones like Grand Overlord), and crafting motifs are extremely crucial elements that makes someone feel a sense of accomplishment and progression in this game.

Citation needed



I know I can only speak for myself, but I've never understood the whole "achievement chasing" thing. Especially the bizarre console version, where people are so focused on their total "points" that they buy & speedrun games that they have no interest in except for the achievement points. Also, hopefully not to disappoint anyone, but I've never noticed your titles.
Crafting motifs - yeah, those I enjoy collecting. But I'm not worked up over the fact that you can sometimes grab a book from the crown store. Because you can also buy pages from guild shops. Or find them in anniversary boxes. Or whatever. And I also don't care what motifs other people have, or that they got them faster/easier/whatever than I did. "Accomplishment and progression" from collecting motifs? Meh, if you say so. /shrug

...thinking about it, I care about collecting motifs to have more appearance options to build outfits out of. I don't care about "gotta catch 'em all" or making complete sets. I guess that's where the whole "accomplishment" thing would come in? If so, then yeah - that's not me, either.

Same.

I have absolutely 0 care or concern over anyone else's titles. Motifs and style pages are my personal end game, but that's for my own preferences to be able to individualize my characters the only way you really can in this game, which is through their appearance. If anyone else notices my appearances, that's great. But otherwise it's for me.

Einher2137

Seriously there are people who defending this things? Next crown store scroll will be double dungeon gear drop, wait for it. "Because it's only pay for Convenience.".

VaranisArano

Xarc wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Did we have this level of handwringing when ZOS lowered the amount of AP necessary to get Alliance Ranks?

Or when Midyear Mayhem launched with massive AP boosts for the duration?

Or when ZOS introduced the War tortes?

If we're complaining about achievements being made easier and devalued through monetization, let's remember that Grand Overlord (and indeed most of the Alliance War skills) is a great example of ZOS making it more accessible prior to monetization. So it really sounds to me like this is some grade A "When I was your age, I walked to school two miles in the snow uphill both ways" griping.

It 's a good thing you 're talking about that, because I always said and still say it was a bad idea.
I remember when taking a keep was 150ap only. I remember when people took their AP by defending and kill people. They deserved their ranks, and the achievement for killing an grand overlord was something. Now, it's just ***.

Now the game is just a westerb version of a corean grind mmo. But since people dont want to grind a lot, they add a lot of boosts from XP scrolls, XP cakes, and AD is just the pvp version of this ***.

I started PVPing, going out to solo resources back when capturing a resource only gave a couple hundred AP. I do remember.

That being said, I disagree with you. I don't see the point of gatekeeping achievements in the "I walked uphill both ways" style. For example, I got Master Angler before ZOS came out with Artaeum fishing foods and Fishing CP. I don't get bitter when new Master Anglers announce their achievement, even though it's easier now. I'm happy for them!

You can gripe about AP buffs all you want, and gatekeeping achievements that no longer take as much time as you think they ought to. I think Cyrodiil changed for the better with the AP buffs, with Midyear Mayhem, and I really don't think the War Tortes/Scrolls are going to hurt gameplay or achievements for the players who want to PVP.

Well, I suppose it might hurt the sort of players who want rare achievements because few people have them for bragging rights, or who look down on recent Master Anglers for using the boosts ZOS has provided...but I find it hard to be very sympathetic to them.

Xarc

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, I suppose it might hurt the sort of players who want rare achievements

rare achievement are necessary in a mmo.

GO was symbolic due to the amount of AP needed, and so the time / experience passed in cyrodiil.
But GO isnt rare anymore we all know that, my combat isnt only here about AP scroll, it's against zenimax's vision of the game, selling everyhing and ways to get the achievements, destroying the fun of having objectives, killing the game in fact.

Hamboot

Einher2137 wrote: »

Seriously there are people who defending this things? Next crown store scroll will be double dungeon gear drop, wait for it. "Because it's only pay for Convenience.".

Dude exactly I'm just mind-blowed by the staunch level of defence theses people have toward theses sort of micro transactions in the crown store.

The_Lex

Einher2137 wrote: »

Seriously there are people who defending this things? Next crown store scroll will be double dungeon gear drop, wait for it. "Because it's only pay for Convenience.".

Hey, everyone. Look at this straw man....kill it, kill it!

jaws343

Hamboot wrote: »

Einher2137 wrote: »

Seriously there are people who defending this things? Next crown store scroll will be double dungeon gear drop, wait for it. "Because it's only pay for Convenience.".

Dude exactly I'm just mind-blowed by the staunch level of defence theses people have toward theses sort of micro transactions in the crown store.

Well, they are optional. It'd be one thing if anything in the crown store was absolutely necessary to complete the game and play the content (outside of the DLCs obviously), but none of it is. So it's pretty irrelevant. Either buy them and enjoy the content or don't buy them and... still enjoy the content since it literally has no effect on you.

VaranisArano

Xarc wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, I suppose it might hurt the sort of players who want rare achievements

rare achievement are necessary in a mmo.

GO was symbolic due to the amount of AP needed, and so the time / experience passed in cyrodiil.
But GO isnt rare anymore we all know that, my combat isnt only here about AP scroll, it's against zenimax's vision of the game, selling everyhing and ways to get the achievements, destroying the fun of having objectives, killing the game in fact.

Rare achievements are necessary, and hey, Grand Overlord is still pretty darned rare!

But I specifically said "players who want rare achievements because few people have them for bragging rights, or who look down on recent Master Anglers for using the boosts ZOS has provided" for a reason.

Master Angler is pretty rare, among the whole player base. It's a fantastic title that still takes a lot of time and dedication, though less than it used to.

That's no excuse for the players who turn their noses up at newer Master Anglers out of snobbery or even say they are killing the game by devaluing the achievement.

Good luck fighting your fight against ZOS' vision for the game, but I am not there with you.

Jeffrey530

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievement almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument.

Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please.

Video game is primarily for fun no? If you care so much about achievement through means of game progression, why even play eso in the first place? You can literally buy godslayer with gold.

Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier? This is a challenge for one self. I went through what was required at the time to get these achievements but more than welcome for these to be easier for fellow players to get as well.

"Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument."

I will show it you when the item get released how much time it will take to get the first few ranks. How much time do you think it takes to the very first one? (without even the mid year event).

" Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please."

It seems like you have troubles understanding the English language, I did not say that they are already sold I used another tense to talk about the next step ZOS will take after putting this boost in the crown store which will literally giving players achievements almost if not instantly (as it takes pretty no time to get the first few ARs without any ap boost). I said that I'm concerned that zos might decide to start selling other achievements in the cash shop directly or indirectly through some mechanism like this.


"You can literally buy godslayer with gold."
You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

"Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier?"
It's not about you, it's about the direction the game is going with through this disappointing micro transaction.

You literally wrote 'ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement' It seems you are the one that needs english lessons, you are indicating that this new crown store item is selling eso achievement directly.

Come on, at least admit your own hyperbole, you literally wrote you can get the 'achievement' almost instantly, not the first few ranks which you changed to in a later reply. Sure, show me the entire video with 150% scroll from rank 1 to GO aka the achievement, do it 'almost instantly' to show everyone please, then I will apologise and eat my word.

Hamboot wrote: »

You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

No, you can get gold from crowns and get Godslayer and literally any pve achievements (other than solo ones) instantly, is that not pay to win by you definition?

Edit:

Hamboot wrote: »

It's not about you, it's about the direction the game is going with through this disappointing micro transaction.

Oh lol and you talk so much about your own feelings of progression being diminished, I am not allowed to share my opinion that I don't mind if fellow players can achieve what I have achieved in a less grindy easier way.

Hamboot

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

Jeffrey530 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievement almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument.

Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please.

Video game is primarily for fun no? If you care so much about achievement through means of game progression, why even play eso in the first place? You can literally buy godslayer with gold.

Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier? This is a challenge for one self. I went through what was required at the time to get these achievements but more than welcome for these to be easier for fellow players to get as well.

"Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument."

I will show it you when the item get released how much time it will take to get the first few ranks. How much time do you think it takes to the very first one? (without even the mid year event).

" Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please."

It seems like you have troubles understanding the English language, I did not say that they are already sold I used another tense to talk about the next step ZOS will take after putting this boost in the crown store which will literally giving players achievements almost if not instantly (as it takes pretty no time to get the first few ARs without any ap boost). I said that I'm concerned that zos might decide to start selling other achievements in the cash shop directly or indirectly through some mechanism like this.


"You can literally buy godslayer with gold."
You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

"Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier?"
It's not about you, it's about the direction the game is going with through this disappointing micro transaction.

You literally wrote 'ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement' It seems you are the one that needs english lessons, you are indicating that this new crown store item is selling eso achievement directly.

Come on, at least admit your own hyperbole, you literally wrote you can get the 'achievement' almost instantly, not the first few ranks which you changed to in a later reply. Sure, show me the entire video with 150% scroll from rank 1 to GO aka the achievement, do it 'almost instantly' to show everyone please, then I will apologise and eat my word.

Hamboot wrote: »

You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

No, you can get gold from crowns and get Godslayer and literally any pve achievements (other than solo ones) instantly, is that not pay to win by your definition?

Oh god did you read the beginning of the thread before commenting? The item still isn't sold in the crown store yet.... It will come June 24th so no.... I cannot show you anything because... It doesn't exist yet? I said that zos is gonna be directly selling eso achievement through this boost which it will.. As this isn't just a mere xp scroll boost..

MurderMostFoul

P2W = better "Die, Die, Die!"

P2W =/= better dye, dye, dye.

Jeffrey530

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Hamboot wrote: »

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jaws343 wrote: »

Hamboot wrote: »

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Grand Overlord has very little to do with effort. In fact, the less effort you put in the quicker you can get to it. Because all it is a reward for is time spent in PVP. Not actual pvp experience and prowess. I spent 30 minutes last night fighting outside of Alessia, killing a bunch of players. The AP I earned during that 30 minute fight was nothing compared to the AP I'd have earned had I just followed the zerg taking keeps. And following the zerg takes less effort than fighting players outnumbered.

Again as I said many times, this is besides the point you might not see any value in any achievement in this game, but a lot of people do hence my comment. I'm talking about achievement in general. Grand Overlord is one them (I know that GO doesn't mean everything and that a lot of people who have it are just bad this isn't the point of my comment I'm talking here about the sense of progression that comes with this achievement) you saying that it is low effort achievement is completely besides the point that I'm making which is that Zos is pretty much selling achievements and titles with this boost.

Do you even know how much time needs to be spent to get GO even with the 150% boost? Zos isn't selling any achievements and titles unless you are telling me after spending certain amount of money I will get it instantly.

Sense of progression as you described is subjective, which we can all agree. It does not devoid your sense of progression just because people can get GO quicker now.

If you are so concerned, I have a solution for you: Spam tell everyone you meet that you got GO before there were 150% scrolls lol, if that makes you feel better, but honestly that just sounds a tad bit pathetic.

With the 150% boost + the mid year mayhem event ap boost you will get the achievement almost instantly.

Oh boy.... if you do not see any sense of progress in your character by getting new levels and achievements and rewards, then what's the point of even keep playing a video game especially if it's an mmo...

And no, I'm talking here about the big picture here, which is that ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement. If you think that they are going to stop with Alliance War Ranks you are completely naive (that is assuming you actually care about achievement in this game).

Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument.

Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please.

Video game is primarily for fun no? If you care so much about achievement through means of game progression, why even play eso in the first place? You can literally buy godslayer with gold.

Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier? This is a challenge for one self. I went through what was required at the time to get these achievements but more than welcome for these to be easier for fellow players to get as well.

"Instantly really lol, video it for me I will give an extra time of an hour rather than 'instantly' to go from rank 1 to GO. Stop with the hyperbole please it isn't helping your argument."

I will show it you when the item get released how much time it will take to get the first few ranks. How much time do you think it takes to the very first one? (without even the mid year event).

" Again where is the 'directly selling eso achievement', link me the price of GO, Godslayer in the crownstore please."

It seems like you have troubles understanding the English language, I did not say that they are already sold I used another tense to talk about the next step ZOS will take after putting this boost in the crown store which will literally giving players achievements almost if not instantly (as it takes pretty no time to get the first few ARs without any ap boost). I said that I'm concerned that zos might decide to start selling other achievements in the cash shop directly or indirectly through some mechanism like this.


"You can literally buy godslayer with gold."
You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

"Saying this, I actually quite like titles and achievements, which I have emperor, tamerial hero spirit slayer, GO etc etc, but why would I care if others can get these easier?"
It's not about you, it's about the direction the game is going with through this disappointing micro transaction.

You literally wrote 'ZOS is dumbing down the game by reducing the amount of effort it takes to get an achievement and is through this new crown store item directly selling eso achievement' It seems you are the one that needs english lessons, you are indicating that this new crown store item is selling eso achievement directly.

Come on, at least admit your own hyperbole, you literally wrote you can get the 'achievement' almost instantly, not the first few ranks which you changed to in a later reply. Sure, show me the entire video with 150% scroll from rank 1 to GO aka the achievement, do it 'almost instantly' to show everyone please, then I will apologise and eat my word.

Hamboot wrote: »

You need hundreds of millions of gold to get carried by it and it takes a (very very long time to amass that kind of money) which indicates that it still takes progress to get that achievement.

No, you can get gold from crowns and get Godslayer and literally any pve achievements (other than solo ones) instantly, is that not pay to win by your definition?

Oh god did you read the beginning of the thread before commenting? The item still isn't sold in the crown store yet.... It will come June 24th so no.... I cannot show you anything because... It doesn't exist yet?

Have you even been to cyro and grind for a grand overlord? Do you know how much ap and time you need to achieve it? Even with MYM and 150% scroll it would not be 'almost instantly'. Anyone can see that even before june 24th, can't believe you still won't admit your own unnecessary exaggeration.

If you insist, I will wait till june 24 for your video of your instant grand overlord from rank 1.

Dojohoda

Well darn.

Are you all saying that when I got grand overlord 4 years ago, I didn't win Cyrodiil? Awwwww it FELT like I won. I celebrated and told everyone for days!!! I even told my sister!

(>^.^)> <(^.^<) (>^.^)> <(^.^<)

agegarton

Win what exactly?

Also, these buffs have been in the game for months.

spartaxoxo

It's the paid version of something you can craft in game. It's just a convenience item

INe_Saninus

I'm not trying to be that guy, but I kill former Emps and 5 stars all day long.
Who cares what little symbol is next to your name.
You'd better be more worried about these hands.
I'm just saying...

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Xarc wrote: »

By "win", you only see fights.

That's the problem. I do not consider only fights, but titles, achievements, etc. Theses are our objectives, fights are only ways to reach it.
So when a game is selling boosts to get faster the achievement, i say it's p2w.

You can whatever you want it deooesnt make it true