Official PAY 2 WIN (grand overlord)

The_Lex

mikey_reach wrote: »

Not pay to win but pay to have an edge. Which i guess its fine.

What "edge?" There's no edge in gaining a PvP title.

PigofSteel

Dont like this much...Looks like mobile game stuff.

JKorr

Elsonso wrote: »

We crossed a line already with the buyable Skyshards, which come with skill points.
This? Anti-climax.

I haven't looked recently, so I'm not sure if anything has changed.

I want to buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil. I never have, and probably never will actually find them with any of my characters because I loath pvp with the passion of a million burning suns. Last time I looked, I couldn't buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil.

Difference is, for someone who actually did the work on at least one character, buying skyshards is paying to be lazy. I know I'll never get the skyshards in cyrodiil. That's completely on me, and I'm fine with that. Letting me buy the Cyrodiil shards I never did the work for, that would be a line crossed. Afaik, hasn't happened yet.

Reverb

So much hyperbole here.

1) this doesn’t level alliance ranks, only the skill lines. It works exactly the same as the 50/100/150% buff foods that were introduced in the last patch, this just makes those buffs available in the crown store in addition to the rare recipes that sell for 2m and up. It’s beneficial for unlocking the speed passives, barrier and warhorn on new toons and that’s it. It won’t speed anyone getting to GO

2) even if it did speed rank leveling (which it doesn’t) it still wouldn’t be pay to win, because nothing is won by being a GO. I didn’t become all powerful the first time I hit rank 49, and my house doesn’t get any new perks by having a decoy elder scroll it.

In order to be p2w there must be tangible power-benefit only obtained through an outlay of cash. That just doesn’t exist in this scenario. OP is just being a doomsayer without cause.

And to anyone still throwing fits about this - Colovian War Torts sell for cheap in the guild traders.

Atreyix

Anything ZOS sells on the crown store has never been p2w. Its solely been cosmetic, This XP Scroll literally gives you a boost to get a cosmetic title(WHICH YOU STILL HAVE TO WORK FOR). Which is craftable ingame anyways.

This is actually why I like ESO, they sell cosmetic stuff to help fund there development, along with there sub giving access to all the dlc..... They deliver content every single quarter of the year... I am(and I'm sure 95% of the community) is fine with cosmetics being sold for them to be able to develop so much content. Go to any other MMO and you don't get that much content at all.

This isn't pay to win, this is pay for qol. Huge difference.

Galbsadi

Flamebait wrote: »

Second as others have mentioned a title that gives you nothing but a cosmetic really is not anything that can be called winning outside of some nebulous personal feeling of accomplishment that you may or may not have towards it.

It's not a major deal worth worrying about IMO, but this is technically incorrect. Alliance War ranks come with skill points (up to 50 of them!), which is quite a bit more than a personal feeling of accomplishment or cosmetics.

(That said, eventually skill points become redundant [see: my main, who still has a few skill points unspent after maxing out all passives and everything I need].)

Elsonso

JKorr wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

We crossed a line already with the buyable Skyshards, which come with skill points.
This? Anti-climax.

I haven't looked recently, so I'm not sure if anything has changed.

I want to buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil. I never have, and probably never will actually find them with any of my characters because I loath pvp with the passion of a million burning suns. Last time I looked, I couldn't buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil.

Difference is, for someone who actually did the work on at least one character, buying skyshards is paying to be lazy. I know I'll never get the skyshards in cyrodiil. That's completely on me, and I'm fine with that. Letting me buy the Cyrodiil shards I never did the work for, that would be a line crossed. Afaik, hasn't happened yet.

My point is that buyable Skyshards is way past the line that people think that this is drawing.

Smexykins

Elsonso wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

We crossed a line already with the buyable Skyshards, which come with skill points.
This? Anti-climax.

I haven't looked recently, so I'm not sure if anything has changed.

I want to buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil. I never have, and probably never will actually find them with any of my characters because I loath pvp with the passion of a million burning suns. Last time I looked, I couldn't buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil.

Difference is, for someone who actually did the work on at least one character, buying skyshards is paying to be lazy. I know I'll never get the skyshards in cyrodiil. That's completely on me, and I'm fine with that. Letting me buy the Cyrodiil shards I never did the work for, that would be a line crossed. Afaik, hasn't happened yet.

My point is that buyable Skyshards is way past the line that people think that this is drawing.

You have to actually go out and get the skyshards once to buy them. You can craft the boosts in game for free. All it is is pay-to-speed-up. I can't go on the crown store and buy some exclusive weapon that allows me to do 100k DPS with my eyes closed. That is pay-to-win.

Elsonso

Smexykins wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

We crossed a line already with the buyable Skyshards, which come with skill points.
This? Anti-climax.

I haven't looked recently, so I'm not sure if anything has changed.

I want to buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil. I never have, and probably never will actually find them with any of my characters because I loath pvp with the passion of a million burning suns. Last time I looked, I couldn't buy the skyshards for Cyrodiil.

Difference is, for someone who actually did the work on at least one character, buying skyshards is paying to be lazy. I know I'll never get the skyshards in cyrodiil. That's completely on me, and I'm fine with that. Letting me buy the Cyrodiil shards I never did the work for, that would be a line crossed. Afaik, hasn't happened yet.

My point is that buyable Skyshards is way past the line that people think that this is drawing.

You have to actually go out and get the skyshards once to buy them. You can craft the boosts in game for free. All it is is pay-to-speed-up. I can't go on the crown store and buy some exclusive weapon that allows me to do 100k DPS with my eyes closed. That is pay-to-win.

This thread has the words "pay to win" in it, but it is not about that, at all. Even the skyshards are not pay to win, but they are a lot closer than this is.
(edit:fixed word)

BRCOURTN

For all the people saying "it's pay to win for double xp scrolls! It's pay to win for double AP scrolls! It's pay to win for skill lines!" You're basically just paying to skip content. Which is fun. If you're paying to skip the content then generally you're paying to not play the game. Don't fall for it. If you want Grand Overlord, and you see AP as a grind that you need to spend money for, it's just not worth it. Same for CP cap.

Raptorcorn

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

"Pay to Win" is when you give cash, and you get a literal/direct/otherwise-unobtainable Power Advantage over other players who do not give cash. Like, weapons and armor that are more powerful than those available in-game, so you can best your opponents in direct competition (i.e, fighting other people in PvP, or topping PvE leaderboards).

You mean like buying expansions or eso+ vs. just the base game?

Smexykins

BRCOURTN wrote: »

For all the people saying "it's pay to win for double xp scrolls! It's pay to win for double AP scrolls! It's pay to win for skill lines!" You're basically just paying to skip content. Which is fun. If you're paying to skip the content then generally you're paying to not play the game. Don't fall for it. If you want Grand Overlord, and you see AP as a grind that you need to spend money for, it's just not worth it. Same for CP cap.

I really would pay to get the Psijic line on my other toons though because as much as I love Summerset, that is an awful time to level. I would probably grind it out first but I've done it before, no point in suffering through it again. And that's probably the only thing I'd ever buy like that other than Cyro skyshards due to the gate randomness.

CleymenZero

Xarc wrote: »

crown store june 2021 : https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/60165

Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Grand



This consumable can be used only by players level 10 and above. You gain a 150% experience bonus to Alliance Rank and Alliance War Skill Lines from all sources for 1 hour. The timer pauses when you are offline, and resumes when you return. This bonus is compatible with other foods or drinks.

The Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Grand will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms, starting on June 24 at 10am EDT.

Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Major




This consumable can be used only by players level 10 and above. You gain a 100% experience bonus to Alliance Rank and Alliance War Skill Lines from all sources for 1 hour. The timer pauses when you are offline, and resumes when you return. This bonus is compatible with other foods or drinks.

The Alliance War Skill Line Scroll, Major will be available in the Crown Store on all platforms, starting on June 24 at 10am EDT.

All you have to do to get Grand Overlord is play. It gives you no advantage except for that sick Legate Black that's sure to strike fear in the hearts of your enemies.

Everyone I know as well as myself regularly smack 5 stars like it's a sport and I don't even main pvp. 5 stars doesn't grant you an advantage over me, if you think those skill points are an advantage just doing the public dungeons across the game will grant you more skill points and faster than if you had constant +150% scrolls and4constsnt double AP.

Nice try. I'm very sensitive to p2w and this isn't that.

PrinceDamien

P2W is when someone can buy something not obtainable ingame and is usually an item with far greater stats than anything else obtainable for free.
Paying for faster lvl/rank isn't really P2W, in my book at least.
The only thing a person would pay for is the convenience of saving some time to gain ranks which anyone can do anyway without paying, just at a slower (normal) pace.
It doesn't make anyone more powerful or better than the next guy not paying for it.

Amottica

joseayalac wrote: »

How does Grand Overlord make you win? It doesn't affect stats in anyway as far as I'm concerned.

@Xarc

Does Grand Overlord grant some extra skill one or bonus to our base stats?

Also, I thought I had seen a consumable in-game that granted increased AP earning similar to Xp scrolls for XP.

Neoauspex

I was in a BG team with a Grand Overlord the other day and he performed extremely poorly; the rank did not help us win. At all.

ApoAlaia

May I also point out that ESO is the first game I have played where you can exchange a basic currency (gold) for a premium currency (crowns) without getting swiftly banned.

Therefore is entirely possible to purchase these scrolls with in-game earned gold as if you were buying tortes from the guild sellers. Well, perhaps slightly more involved as to do so with a certain degree of safety you many need to enlist the assistance of a trusted intermediary and arrange a meeting of the interested parties but still, is achievable.

There is the matter that for this to happen someone has to spend actual money to purchase those crowns so how these games are monetised is still very much an open discussion however this is not what is being discussed in this thread.

On the matter at hand you can purchase these with in-game gold if you choose to do so.

Given that 'AR grinding' predates both tortes and scrolls by a fair margin this is more a matter of identifying untapped sources of 'monetising convenience' than anything else.

Hamboot

This is an extremely bad and terrible idea, in the Elder Scrolls Online, people care about achievements and sense of progression, titles are everything in this game, you use them to showcase (and flex) your skills and level of experience in this game and commitment to your favorite character, a lot of pvpers take pride in getting to max rank also called Grand Overlord, it's a very prestigious title that demonstrates how much time and effort and sense of progression people put in their main character. Dumbing down the time and effort to get this title with this booster and especially knowing that midyear mayhem event already gives an ap boost is just gonna make this title so ez to get, any sense of achievement that people may have in playing pvp will be gone (you can already get emperor title by just mindlessly farming ap in empty servers and killing your friends in your other alliance for more ap (commonly called feeding) it's pretty much just a meaningless pve title at this point). This xp boost does not benefit anyone but pve ultra casual achievement hunters who pvp once per year. I ask zos this what's the POINT of getting to rank 50 Grand Overlord now? If you are just gonna sell the title through xp boosters

Firstmep

How dare they attempt to make money? Just boggles the mind, really.
You still need to be out there gaining ap, it's not like you are just given go for 20 bucks or something.
Not to mention, the title has been meaningless since forever
I personally know ppl that got go from purely repairing walls... come on.

Odovacar

I have 1 proud Grand Overlord and she can still get blasted like a volunteer sometimes...AVA rank is not a indication of skill, period.

Klad

It would be nice if once just once we had a day without folks screaming "Pay to win!!" in Their shrill shrill voices.

Also pay to win what exactly? What do you win in a MMO?

Not a damn thing, because there is no ending.

Hamboot

Odovacar wrote: »

I have 1 proud Grand Overlord and she can still get blasted like a volunteer sometimes...AVA rank is not a indication of skill, period.

It is not an indication of skill maybe, but it sure is an achievement that people put time and effort to get, it's create a very powerful sense of achievement, attachment and progression to your character. Just like all achievements and titles. It's very important, you might not care about achievement or titles or rewards but a lot of people who play this game do. And besides just because you see someone with volunteer as a title doesn't mean they are really in volunteer rank.

MasterSpatula

Yeah, guys, how does achieving a goal that some people work towards for years count as winning? Sheesh.

Not that I agree that this is pay to win, because there are in-game ways to get the same results. I just can't stand this whole argument of what winning means. I find it disingenuous.

Hamboot

Klad wrote: »

It would be nice if once just once we had a day without folks screaming "Pay to win!!" in Their shrill shrill voices.

Also pay to win what exactly? What do you win in a MMO?

Not a damn thing, because there is no ending.

This might not be a pay 2 win element, but it just devaluate any sense of progression players who mainly play pvp might have in this game.

Vevvev

Uhhh.... this only speeds up your progress. You still have to fight and play the game to "win". And let's be honest here but Cyrodiil is a long game with some campaign rating system to try and make it a short game. You can never truly win as the war goes on forever.

barney2525

Xarc wrote: »

Getting achievements easier and faster isnt p2w?

If they had a Fishing scroll, would you consider that P2W?

Sumbuddy needs to lay out a Dictionary description of what exactly P2W is. And specifically define " Win ".

Just because you can pay money to obtain something does Not mean that receiving that item helps you " Win ".

IMHO

Hamboot

This boost really is just shameful and disappointing coming from ZOS... What's next are you gonna start selling achievements and titles in the crown store?

ClawOfTheTwoMoons

Grand overlord is not indicative of skill at all.

Lady_Galadhiel

Neoauspex wrote: »

I was in a BG team with a Grand Overlord the other day and he performed extremely poorly; the rank did not help us win. At all.

Same We lost that match because the Grand Overlord refused to play with anyone who would be belowe his level so he did stand there doing nothing apart from insulting the rest of us.

Klad

Hamboot wrote: »

Klad wrote: »

It would be nice if once just once we had a day without folks screaming "Pay to win!!" in Their shrill shrill voices.

Also pay to win what exactly? What do you win in a MMO?

Not a damn thing, because there is no ending.

This might not be a pay 2 win element, but it just devaluate any sense of progression players who mainly play pvp might have in this game.

My dude

Maybe for you and that's cool, but I nor anyone else is bound by a few opinions...that is the road to what happened in SWG with the "New players enhancements"