Kicked from dungeons for using sword and board as dps.

Stinkyremy · November 2017

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

This has to be a troll post. If it's not then I'll explain why someone wouldn't want you in there group. First magdks are "selfish" dps. They're undesirable atm as they steal off balance. But in random dungeons that isn't that big of a deal but wait there's more. Your using a sword and board on a mag toon. Not only will it not increase your survivability but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all. If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg. And then your an orc, witch isn't that big of a deal but u compile it all together and it makes a perfect storm of you being carried through every dungeon. It's not those random people's job to Carry you even if you think your pulling your own weight you deffinetly aren't. Find proof that you can pull your weigh in a group and prove us wrong otherwise you will continue to have this issue.

THIS has to be a troll post
"Not only will it not increase your survivability"
defensive posture has a word to speak with you

"but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all"
hummmm apart form adding another 1000 magika with a magika armour glyph, and allow me to use 2 5 set bonuses from 2 sets as well as a monster set

" If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg"
or you know, I could just use pelenals aptitude and have equal high spell and weapon damage enabling me to do as much damage with a sword as a magika character than if I was using a destruction staff as a magika character!
Probably best for you to give up and go to sleep or think before you type.

Stinkyremy · November 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Target dummies have been in the game 9 months, since Homestead in February. And DPS meters have been around for years, as well as the ability to divide boss healthy by time for things like the old Bloodspawn tests. You may not want to do one, but DPS tests have been around a long time.

sorry my bad I honestly thought it came out in the summer, I must have been getting homestead confused with morrowind for release dates.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

This has to be a troll post. If it's not then I'll explain why someone wouldn't want you in there group. First magdks are "selfish" dps. They're undesirable atm as they steal off balance. But in random dungeons that isn't that big of a deal but wait there's more. Your using a sword and board on a mag toon. Not only will it not increase your survivability but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all. If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg. And then your an orc, witch isn't that big of a deal but u compile it all together and it makes a perfect storm of you being carried through every dungeon. It's not those random people's job to Carry you even if you think your pulling your own weight you deffinetly aren't. Find proof that you can pull your weigh in a group and prove us wrong otherwise you will continue to have this issue.

THIS has to be a troll post
"Not only will it not increase your survivability"
defensive posture has a word to speak with you

"but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all"
hummmm apart form adding another 1000 magika with a magika armour glyph, and allow me to use 2 5 set bonuses from 2 sets as well as a monster set

" If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg"
or you know, I could just use pelenals aptitude and have equal high spell and weapon damage enabling me to do as much damage with a sword as a magika character than if I was using a destruction staff as a magika character!
Probably best for you to give up and go to sleep or think before you type.

Alright just telling you not everyone wants to Carry you.

WrathOfInnos · November 2017

But Pelinals is so bad. You're adding at most 20% to your light and heavy attacks, which are probably about 10% of your damage, for a total of maybe 2% increased DPS from a 5-piece set. So many other sets would be better for your build.

Stinkyremy · November 2017

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

This has to be a troll post. If it's not then I'll explain why someone wouldn't want you in there group. First magdks are "selfish" dps. They're undesirable atm as they steal off balance. But in random dungeons that isn't that big of a deal but wait there's more. Your using a sword and board on a mag toon. Not only will it not increase your survivability but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all. If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg. And then your an orc, witch isn't that big of a deal but u compile it all together and it makes a perfect storm of you being carried through every dungeon. It's not those random people's job to Carry you even if you think your pulling your own weight you deffinetly aren't. Find proof that you can pull your weigh in a group and prove us wrong otherwise you will continue to have this issue.

THIS has to be a troll post
"Not only will it not increase your survivability"
defensive posture has a word to speak with you

"but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all"
hummmm apart form adding another 1000 magika with a magika armour glyph, and allow me to use 2 5 set bonuses from 2 sets as well as a monster set

" If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg"
or you know, I could just use pelenals aptitude and have equal high spell and weapon damage enabling me to do as much damage with a sword as a magika character than if I was using a destruction staff as a magika character!
Probably best for you to give up and go to sleep or think before you type.

Alright just telling you not everyone wants to Carry you.

no one is carrying me, I'm not struggling I'm thriving, you just have it in your mind that a dps cannot use a sword and shield just like these people, because you probably lack originality and imagination to make your own build.
I am steaming through dungeons with my alt, fire everywhere, next to no sustain or health issues and I can even tank with the toon.

Saphorius · November 2017

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you wont do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

Stinkyremy · November 2017

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you can't do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

yeah obviously "if you cant do it on a dummy you cant do it on a boss, or mob" in most cases yeah, apart from including skills and passives that rely upon groups to increase your potential dps, like inhale, which I use for example or the heavy armour wrath passive

Still it is irrefutable logic that the dummy is an inaccurate measurement of actual dps.
If anything it is a way to measure a player against a player, or gear sets against gear sets, not actual dps done in combat, which is all that really matters.

Saphorius · November 2017

Wrath was removed with CwC anyways. Also its called selfbuffed for a reason...

Stinkyremy · November 2017

Saphorius wrote: »

Wrath was removed with CwC anyways. Also its called selfbuffed for a reason...

has it? I did hear something about changes to wrath, not removal though it, also changes to medium armour ability.
I think CWC comes to console tomorrow so I will see.
Still there must be other abilities and even gear sets that rely upon groups of mobs or multiple enemies to have the max potential effect, further proving that dummies are inaccurate.
That reminds me, that I put a reduce spell and weapon damage glyph on my weapon and nosses or large chars are immune to it.
I imagine desto staff 5th skill morph pulsar "lower enemy health by 10%" doesn't work on bigger mobs. Though I have not triad it out.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

This has to be a troll post. If it's not then I'll explain why someone wouldn't want you in there group. First magdks are "selfish" dps. They're undesirable atm as they steal off balance. But in random dungeons that isn't that big of a deal but wait there's more. Your using a sword and board on a mag toon. Not only will it not increase your survivability but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all. If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg. And then your an orc, witch isn't that big of a deal but u compile it all together and it makes a perfect storm of you being carried through every dungeon. It's not those random people's job to Carry you even if you think your pulling your own weight you deffinetly aren't. Find proof that you can pull your weigh in a group and prove us wrong otherwise you will continue to have this issue.

THIS has to be a troll post
"Not only will it not increase your survivability"
defensive posture has a word to speak with you

"but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all"
hummmm apart form adding another 1000 magika with a magika armour glyph, and allow me to use 2 5 set bonuses from 2 sets as well as a monster set

" If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg"
or you know, I could just use pelenals aptitude and have equal high spell and weapon damage enabling me to do as much damage with a sword as a magika character than if I was using a destruction staff as a magika character!
Probably best for you to give up and go to sleep or think before you type.

Alright just telling you not everyone wants to Carry you.

no one is carrying me, I'm not struggling I'm thriving, you just have it in your mind that a dps cannot use a sword and shield just like these people, because you probably lack originality and imagination to make your own build.
I am steaming through dungeons with my alt, fire everywhere, next to no sustain or health issues and I can even tank with the toon.

Look it's your prerogative to run any way u want as to the point your trying to make. But what I'm saying is you can't compell others to play any way other then ther chosen way either. And that could be optimising for the best possible outcome. My experience in the past and probably most other is that sword and board dps have no clue about game mechanics. Personally I wouldn't kick you but you can't expect others to be that way.

Additionly your attempting to convince others of your builds viability. With out parse pictures or anything else maybe a Valerial parse would do there's no way to verify other then you saying trust me I know what I'm talking about. If you like this setup play it you should enjoy yourself after all in the end. But the reality is other setups are better more sustainable and won't get you kicked from groups.

Remember you can't compell others to enjoy your creative build.

Merlin13KAGL · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

This has to be a troll post. If it's not then I'll explain why someone wouldn't want you in there group. First magdks are "selfish" dps. They're undesirable atm as they steal off balance. But in random dungeons that isn't that big of a deal but wait there's more. Your using a sword and board on a mag toon. Not only will it not increase your survivability but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all. If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg. And then your an orc, witch isn't that big of a deal but u compile it all together and it makes a perfect storm of you being carried through every dungeon. It's not those random people's job to Carry you even if you think your pulling your own weight you deffinetly aren't. Find proof that you can pull your weigh in a group and prove us wrong otherwise you will continue to have this issue.

THIS has to be a troll post
"Not only will it not increase your survivability"
defensive posture has a word to speak with you

"but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all"
hummmm apart form adding another 1000 magika with a magika armour glyph, and allow me to use 2 5 set bonuses from 2 sets as well as a monster set

" If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg"
or you know, I could just use pelenals aptitude and have equal high spell and weapon damage enabling me to do as much damage with a sword as a magika character than if I was using a destruction staff as a magika character!
Probably best for you to give up and go to sleep or think before you type.

Alright just telling you not everyone wants to Carry you.

no one is carrying me, I'm not struggling I'm thriving, you just have it in your mind that a dps cannot use a sword and shield just like these people, because you probably lack originality and imagination to make your own build.
I am steaming through dungeons with my alt, fire everywhere, next to no sustain or health issues and I can even tank with the toon.

Clearly. You're "thriving" so much you had to make a thread about getting kicked.

What you may gain with Pelinials and thus S&B LA/HA, you're losing much more by not having the passives that will boost the skills you have on your S&B bar.

Your survivability will go up with S&B, but it shouldn't have to. Bottom line, if your healer is doing their job and the tank is doing their job and both dps are doing their job, you shouldn't need more survivability.

Your build is either awesome or not quite there. If it's the first, you'll have some groups that won't understand, but ones that see you in action will be fine.

If it's the second, then you should stick to solo or tanking (which I hope you're not doing with a bow, btw)

You don't have to "believe in" DPS checks for them to exist, and as has been mentioned on several occasions, you can get those same set bonuses by dual wielding. Your LA/HA will actually hit even harder and those will actually boost your spell damage.

You seem to be set in your ways. So, you've either got it figured out or you have a long road ahead.

Best of luck either way.

Koensol · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you can't do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

yeah obviously "if you cant do it on a dummy you cant do it on a boss, or mob" in most cases yeah, apart from including skills and passives that rely upon groups to increase your potential dps, like inhale, which I use for example or the heavy armour wrath passive

Still it is irrefutable logic that the dummy is an inaccurate measurement of actual dps.
If anything it is a way to measure a player against a player, or gear sets against gear sets, not actual dps done in combat, which is all that really matters.

OP, you are trying to mingle in a discussion when you obviously lack the knowledge. Inhale adds nothing to your dps. With "dps" people mean single target damage per second. Not AoE.

And yes a dummy isn't an inaccurate measure of 'actual' dps. But if you fail to pull 15k dps on a dummy, you will have even less dps in non stationary bossfight. And I don't see your dps going anywhere above 15k single targrt to be honest with you. You miss out on so many passives by going with a sub par race and using SnB, which means you miss out on a LOT of spelldamage, not to mention penetration. Your light attack dmg sucks and you don't even weave all your attacks, which means you probably lose out on some 4k dps. The facts just don't add up.

Your build might be fun for you, but your build doesn't take group play seriously. Therefore you shouldn't complain when people would rather take another dd that takes group play more seriously. No matter how you phrase it, your build will be inferior to other pure dd builds when played well. Simple as that. Period.

newtinmpls · November 2017

People get dropped for stupid reasons...don't take it personally.

Stinkyremy · November 2017

Koensol wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you can't do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

yeah obviously "if you cant do it on a dummy you cant do it on a boss, or mob" in most cases yeah, apart from including skills and passives that rely upon groups to increase your potential dps, like inhale, which I use for example or the heavy armour wrath passive

Still it is irrefutable logic that the dummy is an inaccurate measurement of actual dps.
If anything it is a way to measure a player against a player, or gear sets against gear sets, not actual dps done in combat, which is all that really matters.

OP, you are trying to mingle in a discussion when you obviously lack the knowledge. Inhale adds nothing to your dps. With "dps" people mean single target damage per second. Not AoE.

And yes a dummy isn't an inaccurate measure of 'actual' dps. But if you fail to pull 15k dps on a dummy, you will have even less dps in non stationary bossfight. And I don't see your dps going anywhere above 15k single targrt to be honest with you. You miss out on so many passives by going with a sub par race and using SnB, which means you miss out on a LOT of spelldamage, not to mention penetration. Your light attack dmg sucks and you don't even weave all your attacks, which means you probably lose out on some 4k dps. The facts just don't add up.

Your build might be fun for you, but your build doesn't take group play seriously. Therefore you shouldn't complain when people would rather take another dd that takes group play more seriously. No matter how you phrase it, your build will be inferior to other pure dd builds when played well. Simple as that. Period.

My build is fun, I literally just tanked vet selenes web hard mode with a 157 who was 160 by the end of the dungeon dps and a 138 healer, 1 wipe on selene because healer died and they didn't rez, I swapped out inhale for chains and it was over quick.
i'm having fun knowing that I can do both roles pretty decently and it's still a challenge to be a tank with the char, as my main tank is pretty much OP that I never find a challenge.
Though i didn't build this char to tank, I built it to dps, it's nice I can take up the role. I even tanked nmol last boss with this char swapping out inhale for inner fire and heroic strike for ransack.

InvitationNotFound · November 2017

Well, i didn't read all of it, but just my thoughts here:
The play as you want argument is very bad in most cases. I saw / heard it quite often but it simply doesn't work like that.

Of course you can equip whatever you want skill and equipment wise, up to you. But you can't expect it will work out well. I mean "okay, I'm a tank now. Let's eat some regeneration food and light armor, so i'm stuck at 12k health not having shields or anything. But yes, I will tank everything that way". Might even work at some places, not at other places. Simple as that.

It is okay if you don't like that but there is no reason to deny the fact that "play as you want" isn't working anymore (if it ever did). So either you live with the fact that you sacrifice dps (otherwise you likely wouldn't be kicked), which other people won't like, or you simply adjust.

I rarely run random vets as the amount of people who have no idea what they are doing is too great. Sometimes you're lucky and get a group where you're capable on running through even harder content like cradle of shadows, but that's rarely the case. Often you are stuck with people just "playing as they want". Fine for them, but a waste of time for others.

Personally, I've never kicked someone out of a random group. But when I see it won't work or it will take too long, i'll leave. Sometimes I willingly waste my time, just to get some of the randoms complaining about my dps (funny when the other dd complains but i'm dealing like 75% of the group damage according to cmx...).

Anyway. Long story short: Adjust, search people who agree with your play style or live with people who will complain / kick.

Koensol · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you can't do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

yeah obviously "if you cant do it on a dummy you cant do it on a boss, or mob" in most cases yeah, apart from including skills and passives that rely upon groups to increase your potential dps, like inhale, which I use for example or the heavy armour wrath passive

Still it is irrefutable logic that the dummy is an inaccurate measurement of actual dps.
If anything it is a way to measure a player against a player, or gear sets against gear sets, not actual dps done in combat, which is all that really matters.

OP, you are trying to mingle in a discussion when you obviously lack the knowledge. Inhale adds nothing to your dps. With "dps" people mean single target damage per second. Not AoE.

And yes a dummy isn't an inaccurate measure of 'actual' dps. But if you fail to pull 15k dps on a dummy, you will have even less dps in non stationary bossfight. And I don't see your dps going anywhere above 15k single targrt to be honest with you. You miss out on so many passives by going with a sub par race and using SnB, which means you miss out on a LOT of spelldamage, not to mention penetration. Your light attack dmg sucks and you don't even weave all your attacks, which means you probably lose out on some 4k dps. The facts just don't add up.

Your build might be fun for you, but your build doesn't take group play seriously. Therefore you shouldn't complain when people would rather take another dd that takes group play more seriously. No matter how you phrase it, your build will be inferior to other pure dd builds when played well. Simple as that. Period.

My build is fun, I literally just tanked vet selenes web hard mode with a 157 who was 160 by the end of the dungeon dps and a 138 healer, 1 wipe on selene because healer died and they didn't rez, I swapped out inhale for chains and it was over quick.
i'm having fun knowing that I can do both roles pretty decently and it's still a challenge to be a tank with the char, as my main tank is pretty much OP that I never find a challenge.
Though i didn't build this char to tank, I built it to dps, it's nice I can take up the role. I even tanked nmol last boss with this char swapping out inhale for inner fire and heroic strike for ransack.

Yea that is all fine. But I hope you got my point. You are free to experiment any way you want of course. But do not expect others to put up with sub par dps if they can get better dps. Don't make yourself look like the victim, when you willingly chose to gimp yourself. Actually, you would function a lot better in the tank role. A tank that adds a decent amount of dps is a lot better in vet dungeons that a trials specced blocktard, in my opinion.

LadyNalcarya · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you can't do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

yeah obviously "if you cant do it on a dummy you cant do it on a boss, or mob" in most cases yeah, apart from including skills and passives that rely upon groups to increase your potential dps, like inhale, which I use for example or the heavy armour wrath passive

Still it is irrefutable logic that the dummy is an inaccurate measurement of actual dps.
If anything it is a way to measure a player against a player, or gear sets against gear sets, not actual dps done in combat, which is all that really matters.

OP, you are trying to mingle in a discussion when you obviously lack the knowledge. Inhale adds nothing to your dps. With "dps" people mean single target damage per second. Not AoE.

And yes a dummy isn't an inaccurate measure of 'actual' dps. But if you fail to pull 15k dps on a dummy, you will have even less dps in non stationary bossfight. And I don't see your dps going anywhere above 15k single targrt to be honest with you. You miss out on so many passives by going with a sub par race and using SnB, which means you miss out on a LOT of spelldamage, not to mention penetration. Your light attack dmg sucks and you don't even weave all your attacks, which means you probably lose out on some 4k dps. The facts just don't add up.

Your build might be fun for you, but your build doesn't take group play seriously. Therefore you shouldn't complain when people would rather take another dd that takes group play more seriously. No matter how you phrase it, your build will be inferior to other pure dd builds when played well. Simple as that. Period.

My build is fun, I literally just tanked vet selenes web hard mode with a 157 who was 160 by the end of the dungeon dps and a 138 healer, 1 wipe on selene because healer died and they didn't rez, I swapped out inhale for chains and it was over quick.
i'm having fun knowing that I can do both roles pretty decently and it's still a challenge to be a tank with the char, as my main tank is pretty much OP that I never find a challenge.
Though i didn't build this char to tank, I built it to dps, it's nice I can take up the role. I even tanked nmol last boss with this char swapping out inhale for inner fire and heroic strike for ransack.

I mean, of course you can tank with sword and board. Thats hardly a revelation.

VaranisArano · November 2017

I've got a stam sorc who's a DPS/Tank myself. She runs One hand and Shield and Dual Wield, and exists pretty much so that my friends have a tank with a taunt when we do otherwise full DPS runs.

She does good DPS as well...but she does less DPS than she would if she switched out her 1H&S for a bow on her back bar. Being a quality off-tank is nice, but its not the same as being a full DPS.

Storymaster · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Kicked from dungeons for using sword and board as dps

How @Stinkyremy enters a dungeon ready to do DPS with his sword and board:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62bYUbiPpc4

Stinkyremy · November 2017

Storymaster wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Kicked from dungeons for using sword and board as dps

How @Stinkyremy enters a dungeon ready to do DPS with his sword and board:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62bYUbiPpc4

LMAO

Bladerunner1 · November 2017

This reminds me of the people in my RP guild! I finished my first run of Vet White Gold Tower as a Bosmer Nightblade tank wearing medium pelinals armor when Gold Coast first came out. The rest I joined were vampires. The healer was a Nightblade wearing Valkyn Skoria. One of the DPS was an Argonian Sorc with sword and board/ flame staff. We all went in with our mediocre DPS / healer / tanky hybrid roles but all that hybridization seemed to work out, albeit slowly. But it was fun.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2017

I never vote to kick anyone before at least one wipe on a boss. That said, if it comes to it, the DPS sword and board would be first to go.

I am not saying you cant pull passable DPS (certainly not competitive) with a sword and board, but I am 100% not surprised that you would run into issues in groupfinder. If you cant pull at least 20-25k with it on a dummy, you shouldnt be in the vet dungeon group finder with it IMO.

pepe1337 · November 2017

Stinkyremy wrote: »

My build is fun, I literally just tanked vet selenes web hard mode with a 157 who was 160 by the end of the dungeon dps and a 138 healer, 1 wipe on selene because healer died and they didn't rez, I swapped out inhale for chains and it was over quick.
i'm having fun knowing that I can do both roles pretty decently and it's still a challenge to be a tank with the char, as my main tank is pretty much OP that I never find a challenge.
Though i didn't build this char to tank, I built it to dps, it's nice I can take up the role. I even tanked nmol last boss with this char swapping out inhale for inner fire and heroic strike for ransack.

You've been making a large amount of claims without any proof and when people ask you just take offense and back it up with more claims with less evidence. you could really save yourself here by screenshotting a 3m target dummy phrase, it gives a good idea of your sustain aswell as general dps. or a video of one of your solo runs.

Qbiken · November 2017

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you wont do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

Target dummy parses are so skewed anyway. On a stamina character you can go 2-fanged + NMG +Kragh + Major fracture +lover and get insane numbers. But would you use it in a raid/dungeon??? Never (unless you´re the only stamina DD in the group). With a setup like that I can do 40k+dps on my stamDK selfbuffed. But if I equip my REAL trialgear instead (Hundings + Sunder +Velidreth + Warrior) I´ll get around 32-33k dps. Always bring the setup you´re doing to use in a trial to a DPS test. Like, if you´re doing to use vigor in a trial, it should be on your bar during the dummy dps test as well.

Always ask for a DPS-parse for an actual fight/boss and not a target dummy. They´ll give a better picture of your actual DPS.

kritonX67 · November 2017

You do sound you what you are doing. It's a shame. I would understand people going for leaderboards or even maybe hardmode trials would not be wanting you in their ranks, as every tiny bit of optimization may matter there I guess..

But for casual content? WTF I say! But I blame ZOS. This game is very very noob unfriendly. I've seen people who play DPS or healer with 1h-shield and actually taunt bosses... which is well.. a great reason to kick .... still only if they after explaining, they continue to repeat. Even in such cases, kicking without discussing is horrible practice.

And it's not just that. People can kick you for all sort of reasons so easily. I joined a random group the other day with my nightblade (only toon) as healer. Just a second after I say "hi" in the group chat I get kicked. I ask why in say. I get back this: sorry need templar. wtf people. I've been commented for my healing many times (it is the role I am best at), yet people kick you "just because" basically.

I don't know what the solution to this would be. Stereotypes in this game are so strong. And I repeat, ZOS is to blame for not taking time to explain roles properly. People when they see sth is off the norm, they just assume the worst, because there is a actually a good chance for the worst happening.

Storymaster · November 2017

Saphorius wrote: »

Also its called selfbuffed for a reason...

Selfbuffing is something you're supposed to do in private, certainly not in a party, and certainly not in a public dungeon

kritonX67 wrote: »

You do sound you what you are doing.

You do not sound like you know what you are Englishing.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you wont do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

Target dummy parses are so skewed anyway. On a stamina character you can go 2-fanged + NMG +Kragh + Major fracture +lover and get insane numbers. But would you use it in a raid/dungeon??? Never (unless you´re the only stamina DD in the group). With a setup like that I can do 40k+dps on my stamDK selfbuffed. But if I equip my REAL trialgear instead (Hundings + Sunder +Velidreth + Warrior) I´ll get around 32-33k dps. Always bring the setup you´re doing to use in a trial to a DPS test. Like, if you´re doing to use vigor in a trial, it should be on your bar during the dummy dps test as well.

Always ask for a DPS-parse for an actual fight/boss and not a target dummy. They´ll give a better picture of your actual DPS.

I actually disagree with that to some degree. There is nothing wrong with using dummy parses to discuss DPS as long as the variables are known. The reason stamina users wear TFS and that sort of thing is that we are trying to compensate for buffs that a good raid should give us. A 40k single target parse with penetration gear will be closer to 50 in a pure raid. If you want to see how things perform in a trial, you should try to mimic a trial wherever possible when testing. That starts with trying to get close to the penetration cap.

Storymaster wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

Also its called selfbuffed for a reason...

Selfbuffing is something you're supposed to do in private, certainly not in a party, and certainly not in a public dungeon

If you are in a groupfinder dungeon and you arent prepared to self buff to some degree, you are part of the problem. The only time you should be 100% glass cannon DPS that relys on your group for everything is if you are in a 12 man raid and you know everyone's name and what they are doing.

HatchetHaro · November 2017

lynog85 wrote: »

Id kick you too. Nomatter whether you was from pc or not. Wtf are you doing playing a orc mag dk anyway?

I'd ask the same about my Argonian stam DK and stamsorc.

Oh wait, that's right. I scorepush vet trials and pull better numbers than many Redguards and Khajiiti.

You disgust me.

LadyNalcarya · November 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Saphorius wrote: »

You still don't understand that the dummy parse is just there to show that you CAN do the dps. Its obvious that you wont do the same dps in all situations, but if you are unable to do your "excellent OP dps" on a dummy you will most certanly not be able to pull decent dps in harder fights.

Target dummy parses are so skewed anyway. On a stamina character you can go 2-fanged + NMG +Kragh + Major fracture +lover and get insane numbers. But would you use it in a raid/dungeon??? Never (unless you´re the only stamina DD in the group). With a setup like that I can do 40k+dps on my stamDK selfbuffed. But if I equip my REAL trialgear instead (Hundings + Sunder +Velidreth + Warrior) I´ll get around 32-33k dps. Always bring the setup you´re doing to use in a trial to a DPS test. Like, if you´re doing to use vigor in a trial, it should be on your bar during the dummy dps test as well.

Always ask for a DPS-parse for an actual fight/boss and not a target dummy. They´ll give a better picture of your actual DPS.

Thats true: there are ways to "cheese" dummy parse, but if someone cant get a decent-ish parse on a skeleton, they are probably unable to do reasonable dps in dungeons.

Jamini · November 2017

If it cannot produce good numbers on a single, stationary target that does not fight back. Then we know it cannot produce the numbers needed on a boss with difficult mechanics.

Khajiit thinks it does not understand what good damage is.