Kicked from dungeons for using sword and board as dps.

altemriel

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I don't know how much DPS you are doing, but if you get it up to about 25k, then nobody will complain in dungeons, regardless of what weapon you are using. While sword and shield is not optimal for DPS, it does allow you to use two 5-piece sets with a monster helm set, which should almost make up for the loss of staff skills on that bar.

even 20K is ok for normal dungeons, or a good group even for veteran ones

Qbiken

I really don´t get why people kick others before testing if the group they´re in actually works. Sure, I might have gone a little sceptical if I meet you in veteran Bloodroot Forge and start seeing someone dps with SnB, but I wouldn´t instantly kicks someone before I see how it works.

If it works and doesn´t take un necessary amount of time, then there´s no reason to kick anyone from a group. No matter what role they have, what kind of role they qued for, what gear they use, what CP they are: If you decide to go with the groupfinder for a random dungeon, you don´t kick people before you see how the groupsetup works. If it doesn´t work or becomes a total mess, then fine, leave or votekick someone.

Qbiken

I really don´t get why people kick others before testing if the group they´re in actually works. Sure, I might have gone a little sceptical if I meet you in veteran Bloodroot Forge and start seeing someone dps with SnB, but I wouldn´t instantly kicks someone before I see how it works.

If it works and doesn´t take un necessary amount of time, then there´s no reason to kick anyone from a group. No matter what role they have, what kind of role they qued for, what gear they use, what CP they are: If you decide to go with the groupfinder for a random dungeon, you don´t kick people before you see how the groupsetup works. If it doesn´t work or becomes a total mess, then fine, leave or votekick someone.

altemriel

but appart from the dps, some people just take this game too seriously, ignore list is your friend

Magdalina

Stinkyremy wrote: »

To those who replied, I actually have just done coa vet with the char and we all just ran through it, we did vicp after, it's not a matter of me not being able to dps adequately, it was a matter of people seeing i had a shield and kicking me.
The guy (well obviously vote kick) who kicked me form coa earlier whispered me after with "dps with shield I don't think so", like he has a clue about my damage. it wasn't as if i was there spending 5 minutes killing a scamp I was just running through crushing mobs as any dps does to get the pledge over quick.

After testing this build out I am considering to scrap the pelenals aptitude and crafting seducer in it's place so that i have more sustain, probably get rid of heroic strike and use pure DK skills other than elemental blockade. I found that I am messing up rotations with this build atm and am wasting a lot of magika on aoe dots where the situation changes, like tank has to roll out of aoe dam ect, icp was a drain on resources too, seducer will help better with that.

CoA is soloable, ICP is 2 mannable. Having finished these dungeons in a team of 4 is not really a demonstration of capability. I've had a tank in vet WGT once who was like...think of a thing a tank can do wrong and he got that part down. Had like 50k health and capped cp yet managed to die on trash, panic and run around pulling more trash, never blocked, lost agro a lot, kited bosses around for no reason whatsoever, had 0 dps for when he got portals, had absolutely no idea how to tank Kena...best part was when he ran into a Crem guard, nearly died(despite getting heals), panicked, ran back and ran into ANOTHER Crem guard that we skipped. Was absolutely hilarious He got rekt within like 5 seconds, then one of the dps with 16k health got agro from both guards and "tanked" them just fine. Idk why we didn't kick him, it was just too funny I guess. He spent about 80% of Kena fight dead but we made it eventually because we had great dps. The best part is, the whole run he kept snapping at us for any advice we tried to offer, saying he'd finished the dungeon on vet before, so if we got any issues that's us not him...and in the end he did get the dungeon done - except it was ONLY because he got REALLY lucky with the rest of the team and got carried as hard as possible. Moral of the story: sometimes you don't complete a dungeon because you're good but because you're getting carried. I obviously cannot say that was the case in your case, but I cannot say otherwise either.

You keep saying "like he has a clue about my damage". But you don't have a clue about your damage either. I'm genuinely curious what your dps would be with that build. I'd assume something around 15k or so tops if you actually doing a proper rotation.

commdt

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I don't know, i don't check these things

At this point i became annoyed

Stinkyremy wrote: »

my stam DK can do something like 58k damage in less than one second with 3 attacks very quick

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And at this point stopped reading any further.

Its a shame youre playing since what, first PTS and dont know what your role is and what are you there for. Reminds me of people that go to work instead of really working, not giving a slightest about how they benefit for a company

Id kick you just for this

zaria

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

I think they're worried you'd steal aggro from the tank. Just explain yes, you use sword&board, but you won't be stealing aggro b

Do people look at others setup at start at fight? Now if you wipe or dps is very low you might start to look for reasons.
If I see an DD with sword and board I assume he is primarily PvP and want to farm some gear.

Stinkyremy

Magdalina wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

To those who replied, I actually have just done coa vet with the char and we all just ran through it, we did vicp after, it's not a matter of me not being able to dps adequately, it was a matter of people seeing i had a shield and kicking me.
The guy (well obviously vote kick) who kicked me form coa earlier whispered me after with "dps with shield I don't think so", like he has a clue about my damage. it wasn't as if i was there spending 5 minutes killing a scamp I was just running through crushing mobs as any dps does to get the pledge over quick.

After testing this build out I am considering to scrap the pelenals aptitude and crafting seducer in it's place so that i have more sustain, probably get rid of heroic strike and use pure DK skills other than elemental blockade. I found that I am messing up rotations with this build atm and am wasting a lot of magika on aoe dots where the situation changes, like tank has to roll out of aoe dam ect, icp was a drain on resources too, seducer will help better with that.

CoA is soloable, ICP is 2 mannable. Having finished these dungeons in a team of 4 is not really a demonstration of capability. I've had a tank in vet WGT once who was like...think of a thing a tank can do wrong and he got that part down. Had like 50k health and capped cp yet managed to die on trash, panic and run around pulling more trash, never blocked, lost agro a lot, kited bosses around for no reason whatsoever, had 0 dps for when he got portals, had absolutely no idea how to tank Kena...best part was when he ran into a Crem guard, nearly died(despite getting heals), panicked, ran back and ran into ANOTHER Crem guard that we skipped. Was absolutely hilarious He got rekt within like 5 seconds, then one of the dps with 16k health got agro from both guards and "tanked" them just fine. Idk why we didn't kick him, it was just too funny I guess. He spent about 80% of Kena fight dead but we made it eventually because we had great dps. The best part is, the whole run he kept snapping at us for any advice we tried to offer, saying he'd finished the dungeon on vet before, so if we got any issues that's us not him...and in the end he did get the dungeon done - except it was ONLY because he got REALLY lucky with the rest of the team and got carried as hard as possible. Moral of the story: sometimes you don't complete a dungeon because you're good but because you're getting carried. I obviously cannot say that was the case in your case, but I cannot say otherwise either.

You keep saying "like he has a clue about my damage". But you don't have a clue about your damage either. I'm genuinely curious what your dps would be with that build. I'd assume something around 15k or so tops if you actually doing a proper rotation.

the dots alone are rounded 7k dam, not including the initial cast dam.

Alexandrious

Stinkyremy wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Id kick you too. Nomatter whether you was from pc or not. Wtf are you doing playing a orc mag dk anyway?

Because I want to, I thought it was implicit in the thread, I want to run a build that i want to play with, an orc DK with a sword and shield doing flame damage because that is the way i want to play. The pelinal aptitude allows me to use the sword and shield as a mag char with no damage drop off, and also works with the orcs melee passives.
Orcs move fast as f and with all the aoe and target attack I have going on I am chewing threw mobs running around like a maniac.

I'm not trying to play a meta, or be the world wide champ for highest dps, I am just trying to play a build/playstyle that I want to play.

You know if I was incompitent and not doing any damage I would understand that people would complain, but I am actually doing the opposite.
Think of any stam DK you have seen, have you ever seen then run in mobs at sanic speeds slamming venomous claw on every one of the mob with massive aoe dots constantly renewing all without taking little to no damage

Sorry mate. That wont work in this game. Ppl will just see you as confused n00b then kick. Its how the game is. Either rebuild your orc or group with friends. Its ok though, with all the loot crates ppl buying you will be able to play how you want........

In Fallout Online!

Kek

Motherball

You cant change someones mind who’s been spoonfed. It’s possible but very rarely worth the effort.

raj72616a

this has to be a troll bait right?

zaria

altemriel wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I don't know how much DPS you are doing, but if you get it up to about 25k, then nobody will complain in dungeons, regardless of what weapon you are using. While sword and shield is not optimal for DPS, it does allow you to use two 5-piece sets with a monster helm set, which should almost make up for the loss of staff skills on that bar.

even 20K is ok for normal dungeons, or a good group even for veteran ones

20K is ok for vet dlc if you are not an idiot or glass cannon.
Now pugging vet dlc is stupid in the first place, has vFH on bucked list, guild run healer for nFH, mistake it was vet, we try and switch to normal, pretty well up to second last boss that took 2-3 wipes now comes the eater of repair set:)
did it or this one is not an noob anymore
Group dps was in the 40-45K

Stinkyremy

zaria wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I don't know how much DPS you are doing, but if you get it up to about 25k, then nobody will complain in dungeons, regardless of what weapon you are using. While sword and shield is not optimal for DPS, it does allow you to use two 5-piece sets with a monster helm set, which should almost make up for the loss of staff skills on that bar.

even 20K is ok for normal dungeons, or a good group even for veteran ones

20K is ok for vet dlc if you are not an idiot or glass cannon.
Now pugging vet dlc is stupid in the first place, has vFH on bucked list, guild run healer for nFH, mistake it was vet, we try and switch to normal, pretty well up to second last boss that took 2-3 wipes now comes the eater of repair set:)
did it or this one is not an noob anymore
Group dps was in the 40-45K

"pugging vet dlc is stupid in the first place"
While normally I would agree, and so many times I have got to planar on vwgt as a tank just for the noobs to think if they ignore mechs thre tank can magically take the planars dots. First day of falkreach release, I did random dungeon, it gave me falkreackh hold, none of us had ever done it before and we got through it working out the mechanics together in text chat, 2 wipes on the bone colossus, 3 wipes on last boss and we killed him just as he was about to shout, but we had no pillars left,

Sixty5

Honestly people get too hung up on what other people are running.

There is a huge *** for big DPS numbers around the community, but really, you can run any Vet dungeon in the game with a DPS who is pulling 10-15k and not really have any issue.

Vet Trials and some Vet DLC dungeons are the only real place in the game where you need to pulling 25k+ as a DPS.

Am I against kicking the guy from the group that is playing a Nord DK dps and running around taunting everything and repeatedly dying? Not at all.

Am I willing to give that guy a shot first? Sure.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

I queued for a random dungeon as a healer but I was actually a magicka sorc DPS. Me and my friend who queued as a "tank" were queued with two DPS characters who used both sword and board (most likely they were premade as well).

Basically I was doing 95% of all the damage according to combat metrics. As in most cases the two DDs complained that they were not receiving heals (a valid argument if they were doing damage and not being carried over the dungeon).

Therefore just for laughs I put on a healing staff for the last boss and did no damage (my tank buddy just taunted and did no damage as well). The short story is that we let those guys try to kill the boss for thirty minutes with no success as they were wiping for not knowing the mechanics.

The thing is that most people will not have the time to spare 30 minutes to prove a point that your sword and board build will not work as a damage dealer and as expected will kick you. Don't get me wrong I've seen sword and board guys do massive amounts of damage, but this is used mainly for single target enemies which is not sufficient for dungeons as there are swarms of enemies at times.

Sixty5

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I queued for a random dungeon as a healer but I was actually a magicka sorc DPS. Me and my friend who queued as a "tank" were queued with two DPS characters who used both sword and board (most likely they were premade as well).

Basically I was doing 95% of all the damage according to combat metrics. As in most cases the two DDs complained that they were not receiving heals (a valid argument if they were doing damage and not being carried over the dungeon).

Therefore just for laughs I put on a healing staff for the last boss and did no damage (my tank buddy just taunted and did no damage as well). The short story is that we let those guys try to kill the boss for thirty minutes with no success as they were wiping for not knowing the mechanics.

The thing is that most people will not have the time to spare 30 minutes to prove a point that your sword and board build will not work as a damage dealer and as expected will kick you. Don't get me wrong I've seen sword and board guys do massive amounts of damage, but this is used mainly for single target enemies which is not sufficient for dungeons as there are swarms of enemies at times.

Reminds me of the time me and my mate queued up for White Gold Tower to get the pledge out of the way, me on my PVP Stam Sorc as DPS/Tank and him Queuing as all three roles on his Mag Sorc. We thought it would be fine, since normal dungeon lol.

Turns out I had messed up and clicked Vet instead.

And as it turns out, it is very possible to tank that dungeon, including hard mode with a shield stacking sorc using Inner Fire.

Stinkyremy

Sixty5 wrote: »

Honestly people get too hung up on what other people are running.

There is a huge *** for big DPS numbers around the community, but really, you can run any Vet dungeon in the game with a DPS who is pulling 10-15k and not really have any issue.

Vet Trials and some Vet DLC dungeons are the only real place in the game where you need to pulling 25k+ as a DPS.

Am I against kicking the guy from the group that is playing a Nord DK dps and running around taunting everything and repeatedly dying? Not at all.

Am I willing to give that guy a shot first? Sure.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

I queued for a random dungeon as a healer but I was actually a magicka sorc DPS. Me and my friend who queued as a "tank" were queued with two DPS characters who used both sword and board (most likely they were premade as well).

Basically I was doing 95% of all the damage according to combat metrics. As in most cases the two DDs complained that they were not receiving heals (a valid argument if they were doing damage and not being carried over the dungeon).

Therefore just for laughs I put on a healing staff for the last boss and did no damage (my tank buddy just taunted and did no damage as well). The short story is that we let those guys try to kill the boss for thirty minutes with no success as they were wiping for not knowing the mechanics.

The thing is that most people will not have the time to spare 30 minutes to prove a point that your sword and board build will not work as a damage dealer and as expected will kick you. Don't get me wrong I've seen sword and board guys do massive amounts of damage, but this is used mainly for single target enemies which is not sufficient for dungeons as there are swarms of enemies at times.

I'm doing absolutely fine damage, I have a flame desto on my back bar, put down wall of elements and erruption DK skill, all aoe dots (75 in thurmatage), using DK fire breath (forgot name) for extra 10% flame damage, running in the middle of the mob, use volatile shield for another dot, burning embers, light attack and heroic strike on each enemy.
if enoughvof the mob havssurvived all that, which would be time for me to reapply wall of elements, i use inhale DK skill for another aoe and mega heals for me, but only if it is worth it with a lot of the mob still alive.
In this time I am constantly holding block too, burning embers, shield and inhale keep me alive but if it gets too heavy I roll out and restart rotation, or use ferocious leap and roll out.
It's a fun playstyle.
I am also able to tank dungeons too, even Vcos up to valedor so far, just by switching heroic strike for ransack. The DK heal skills like burning embers are perfect for keeping me alive.

commdt

Man what we are trying to tell you is your setup is just not for a team. In team as a DD your role is solely to deal damage, not to tank mobs or boost your survivability. The damage you simply cant deal with a shield. The fact that everyone except you wiped on a simple trash confirms the problem, as with a good DPS trash simply doesnt live that long to kill anybody.
Your build may be good though, at least it sounds interesting, but for solo play. Theres a place called veteran Maelstrom arena which fits perfectly for your build and your role. Go there, show a good result or if it is too easy, run DLC vet dungeons solo, share you results with us and youll get our awesomes, mine at least.
Just please stop ruining the game for team players

Koensol

Stinkyremy wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

@Stinkyremy A target skeleton test should be a decent indicator. Not perfect, as you pointed out, but a useful way to compare different builds. Just kill a 3 million health one solo in one go and it will give a baseline number.

I also just saw the part where you said pelinals. I have to say I have been disappointed with this set in every build I have tried to make with it. And I really wanted to make it work. The problem is that you don't have enough sources of exclusively weapon damage that will make the increase to spell damage worthwhile. Breaking this down, your sword gives 1335 to both weapon AND spell damage, you can use a berserker glyph for another 348 weapon AND spell damage, healers using spell power cure give you both weapon AND spell damage. The main way to get one or the other is jewelry enchant, but you could just go all 3 jewelry pieces with spell damage for 174 X 3, then you can use molten armaments for a 20% multiplier to spell damage (or the other morph if you want more weapon damage too).

I think you would benefit from replacing pelinals with a spell damage or spell crit set like Burning Spellweave, Julianos, Mothers Sorrow, or even the new Mechanical Acuity. You would gain a lot more out of the set, and only lose a little damage on light and heavy attacks and stamina skills.

Again, I'm not trying to make some sort of badass dps or meta trial dps crusher. I just made a char with the race, class, sets and weapons I want to play with.
I am well aware how under perfmoing pelenals is, i's great on paper but bad in theory.
And again, I am not even using stamina based attack, I wasn't even using heroic strike earlier today but was using burning talons.
I use pelenals so that i can use a sword and shield on a mag dk without the light attacks doing zero damage.
I'm a mag dk, i'm not a hybrid char, i'm 64 magika 30k no food and no mage guild passives/ skills slotted and currently i'm only lvl 7 in undaunted.

The problem is that ignorant people wrote me off as some sort crap dps because of the myth that sword and shield cant be used in a dps build.

Let me play devil's advocate. Why should people take you, when they can get a 100 other dd who are more focussed on their specific role than playing what they like? You can't expect people to just take your dps loss for granted just because you find it fun. Because in essence you are wasting their time. I'm not saying I agree, but that it just how it is.

Bisbatron

Part of the problem is you keep saying "my dps is good" then just list gear, cp etc, or "my dots do 7k." Saying that you do 56k over the course of a few seconds on some trash is not a good indicator of your dps. For all you know the reason you;ve done these vet dungeons so far, is because you've been very lucky in your group.

You can play as you want in solo areas, or even in normal dungeons, but when you queue for group content you then have to take into account other people's playing experience too.

Also, saying you barswap to your destro, and cast so quick no one can ever see it?

I agree that everybody should be given a chance, but bearing in mind that there are a lot of selfish players out there does make people somewhat biased when they see something like a DD running S&B, as 9/10 they are going to be taking taunt from the tank, and people do not have the time to try to explain to a DD that they need to stop, especially when most of the time you get ignored.

If, as you say, you can pull "insane" dps(which the only way you're going to stop people calling ***, is to just do a dps test on a 3 mil dummy, which takes a minute to do) then you got unlucky, or a group who had already had to deal with their share of DD's who don't listen, and made an assumption. Tough ***, it happens, if you are running a build that at first looks like you are a DD who is going to make a run far harder then it needs to be, then you have to be prepared to deal with being kicked sometimes, it's that simple.

Izaki

"Light attacks deal minor damage anyway" LOL

I don't think you realize what you're saying is extremely wrong. Its basically the exact opposite of truth. Look at literally any good Dps parse and you'll see light attacks being at the top of the recap.



Total light attack DPS? Around 6,8k. That's on a Sorc with 2 heavy attacks during the whole fight. On a Magblade or a DK the Light Attack DPS would be even higher since the sustain is much better than on a Sorc.



Total light attack DPS is around 5k. You can't see the bow light attacks in the recap. That would make it 2nd on the recap. Now obviously for other stamina classes the same isn't true since they have to weave heavy attacks constantly to sustain.

So yeah, weapon attacks do a crap ton of DPS.

Merlin13KAGL

@Izaki , those are magicka based attacks on magicka characters and stamina based attacks on stamina characters though.

OP is talking about doing stamina based light attacks on a magicka based dps.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

I wouldn't kick ya. As long as you don't slot that Taunt ability everything is good to go!

Had to kick a Fake Healer in a Vet run yesterday.

Stinkyremy

commdt wrote: »

Man what we are trying to tell you is your setup is just not for a team. In team as a DD your role is solely to deal damage, not to tank mobs or boost your survivability. The damage you simply cant deal with a shield. The fact that everyone except you wiped on a simple trash confirms the problem, as with a good DPS trash simply doesnt live that long to kill anybody.
Your build may be good though, at least it sounds interesting, but for solo play. Theres a place called veteran Maelstrom arena which fits perfectly for your build and your role. Go there, show a good result or if it is too easy, run DLC vet dungeons solo, share you results with us and youll get our awesomes, mine at least.
Just please stop ruining the game for team players

"everyone except you wiped on a simple trash"
I never said that.
"The damage you simply cant deal with a shield"
so if on my main bar I have burning embers, choking talons, volitile armour, engulfing flames, flame lash and inhale, what difference is there gonna be in damage than if I was holding a sword and shield or a destruction staff? or even bare handed.
Very little if any.
While I am not 100% sure if the desto passives still pertain to the class abilities, and if they do that means a DK should never hold any desto staff other than flame, if the desto passive do relate to the class abilities the damage is pretty minimal, especially in vet dungeons.
While I could understand the elitism and not wanting that setup in vet trials, I have ran normal trials with the alt, no one complained about my damage or even mentioned about me holding a sword and board.

Stinkyremy

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Izaki , those are magicka based attacks on magicka characters and stamina based attacks on stamina characters though.

OP is talking about doing stamina based light attacks on a magicka based dps.

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idk how the stats would work out and those pics are jargon to me, but by basic stats, unbuffed, is 2945 spell dam, which means on my front bar my light attach with the sword is also 2945 unbuffed.
I'm not evene weaving desto light attacks as it is my back bar and i'm not that heavy into veaving and animation canceling between putting down aoes.
I animation cancel weapon swaps and weave between target attacks though.

@Bisbatron
I am using 5 piece pelenals, 5 piece sun set and valkyn skoria, everything gold, cp 638 atm

Bisbatron

I didn't ask for your armour sets, I said that whenever somebody here has asked you what your actual dps is, all you do is reply with what sets your wearing, or your cp, which won't suddenly make your dps "insane".

Izaki

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Izaki , those are magicka based attacks on magicka characters and stamina based attacks on stamina characters though.

OP is talking about doing stamina based light attacks on a magicka based dps.

Nah he mentionned Staff attacks not doing much damage and I got really triggered.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

This has to be a troll post. If it's not then I'll explain why someone wouldn't want you in there group. First magdks are "selfish" dps. They're undesirable atm as they steal off balance. But in random dungeons that isn't that big of a deal but wait there's more. Your using a sword and board on a mag toon. Not only will it not increase your survivability but it doesn't buff any of your damage at all. If you had a flame staff front bar those light attacks would hit much harder as it gets buffed by max mag and spell dmg. And then your an orc, witch isn't that big of a deal but u compile it all together and it makes a perfect storm of you being carried through every dungeon. It's not those random people's job to Carry you even if you think your pulling your own weight you deffinetly aren't. Find proof that you can pull your weigh in a group and prove us wrong otherwise you will continue to have this issue.

Stinkyremy

Bisbatron wrote: »

I didn't ask for your armour sets, I said that whenever somebody here has asked you what your actual dps is, all you do is reply with what sets your wearing, or your cp, which won't suddenly make your dps "insane".

I already explained in above posts my view on "dps checks" I don't believe in them, but feeling your competence as the dps role by putting into practice.
If i am killing mobs quick and bosses health bars are going down at a steady rate then I know that I am doing adequate damage.
Doing a constant rotation on a static target like a dummy (which is an addition to the game not over 4 months old may I add) is an inaccurate representation of actual dps your char is actually putting out.
it doesn't take into account rolling, blocking, sustain changes from self healing, time spent not attacking from moving position and all variables.
It is far from accurate. the old autismo bloodspawn kill timing is more accurate but still inaccurate because it is a controlled environment.
To add to that, class skills and weapon choices are completely different ranges of ability to dps, as well as the battlefield.
Where I might be doing less damage on city of ash because I am fire based and a lot of the enemies are fire enemies with fire resistance, then visa versa for direfrost keep. Also change to actual playstyle affects dps in combat, where I am a melee magika "tanky" char who can be in the middle of a group, a mag sorc would have to be at a distance, ranged for example.
As simple as it needs to be is base stats and skill.
Remember dps checks on PC are an add on, before target dummies, there was no such thing as "ohh im a 26k dps" in the game but only from external sources.
Even more so on console, where I am now playing.

i have only twice hit the target dummies and that was with a stam dk trying to get a rotation correct for vma and when a guildie asked me to come to his house and hit a dummy.
Other than that I actually just play the game.

WrathOfInnos

Target dummies have been in the game 9 months, since Homestead in February. And DPS meters have been around for years, as well as the ability to divide boss healthy by time for things like the old Bloodspawn tests. You may not want to do one, but DPS tests have been around a long time.