Sotha Sil (EU PC)

Leeched

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

lol you two guys must be really sore arsed Arent you bored of PvD'in kings or farra when the other faction attacks arrius? Yes, at prime time pact is tanking two factions, the map proves it every prime time. And by tanking I mean holding arrius/farra/kings and or brk/chalman. Anything else is not possible for any faction when being hit on two fronts by factions who doesnt have to worry about their backlines as only reds will go there And yes, I see EP players becoming better and better and not giving up. Whats gonna happen is you blues and yellows will lose the better players, because theyll get bored of the onesided show pushing ep to spawngates, youll end up with the trash and at the same time the best ep players remain, while you get the easygoers and zergsurfers,

Ahahahaha

DivineFirstYOLO

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

lol you two guys must be really sore arsed Arent you bored of PvD'in kings or farra when the other faction attacks arrius? Yes, at prime time pact is tanking two factions, the map proves it every prime time. And by tanking I mean holding arrius/farra/kings and or brk/chalman. Anything else is not possible for any faction when being hit on two fronts by factions who doesnt have to worry about their backlines as only reds will go there And yes, I see EP players becoming better and better and not giving up. Whats gonna happen is you blues and yellows will lose the better players, because theyll get bored of the onesided show pushing ep to spawngates, youll end up with the trash and at the same time the best ep players remain, while you get the easygoers and zergsurfers,

lmao

better go back to playing zerging, EP is gonna lose the campaign again.

Scamh

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Whats gonna happen is you blues and yellows will lose the better players, because theyll get bored of the onesided show pushing ep to spawngates, youll end up with the trash and at the same time the best ep players remain, while you get the easygoers and zergsurfers,

Who will you be joining, AD or DC?

Feanor

Congrats on another Emp Run for the Pact. 12 am CET, 3 bars reds, 2 bars, AD, Blues offline. The almighty faction stack empire strikes back.



Note 27 EP is the number in the immediate flag vicinity. There were lots more. Well done. They get better and better with the zerging they refined over 8 months now.

Shardan4968

Well, from what I see from last few days, zerglings are getting interested in dc and ad more and more.


And here's a picture showing DC's skills, jumping with EP's scroll to plasm and die so it will respawn back in Warden from where it was taken by reds:

Checkmath

Actually sotha sil very much got pretty zergy or big group based, since the attitude of reds forced the other two factions into the same playstyle they showed for over a year now. small scale and solo game play pretty much is dead in sotha sil and everyone sees the need of playing either in a zerg or in a guildgroup to be competitive. its right, all three factions zerg, still reds are the best in it and forced that playstyle on everyone else. i talked with a lot of reds about it and they all said the same stuff like "since we can do it, we will do it" or "people need to be prepared to die, when they enter cyro". those statements are correct, but destroy pretty much every playstyle and DC and AD are only left with the possibility the do the same. somebody said EPs good players stay and other good players will leave. that would be a harsh situation for all three factions, since neither AD nor DC could withstand EP's zerg and we will be back like some months ago, where DC and AD only showed up between 6 and 10pm, since at every other daytime you only could meet a 20+ man zerg of EP. Campaign was dead in those hours, nobody had fun playing, not even reds, who were left with running in empty keeps with their zerg.

What i want to say is, that we all need to wake up. EP's, you guys just zerg too much and destroy the fun of all solo and small scale players. You know, that there is a small group or a solo player is on a ressource, so let him be there, he is looking for some nice action with a few enemy pugs, they dont want to meet a zerg. same with small groups.
guys, if you want to have fun, think about it and fight your enemies like you want to be treated as an enemy. if you want to zerg, then zerg around keeps, where enemy zergs are expected or guild groups. and think about it, what you are doing for the campaign, if its healthy or not. for example huge zerging at 2pm is definitely not what should be done. everyone else, who has no brain to think a little bit: gg on being a brainless zergling, do not wonder when you get called like this.

killimandrosb16_ESO

Scamh wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Whats gonna happen is you blues and yellows will lose the better players, because theyll get bored of the onesided show pushing ep to spawngates, youll end up with the trash and at the same time the best ep players remain, while you get the easygoers and zergsurfers,

Who will you be joining, AD or DC?

It depends really, since your faction needs help with weaving light attacks, maybe Ill go yellow then

Still amazed at the green alliance complaining about ep zerging....Are you surprised ep shows up to defend their last keeps? Would it be better if we just went fishing all? EP last by far, every evening after prime time reduced to one or two keeps, still its not enough. Tell me, how many are EP allowed to muster prime time? SS has been locked on all 3 factions primetime lately, thats 6 bars vs ep's 3 full bars. You have double the number of people fighting ep. But its still not enough. Maybe ZoS needs to nerf EP?

I dont particularly support or promote zerging. I roam around on my own, usually at blue side since they have some decent players to just tag around with until I die, but be less biased to what SS actually is today, not what it was 4 months ago. Today SS has the potential to be a great 3 way battlefield, still it normally comes down to 2-3 hour messing around at arrius' various sides. Its not easy to do smallscale when both blue and yellow factionstack at arrius around midnight, is it:) And EP still tank pretty good both factions Even Sexy Squad melt to pug groups, maybe its time for you guys to test the deeper waters at Vivec prime time?

And Check Math, I cant argue against most of what you say, IF you add DC and AD to that definition. Or is zerging a legitimate tactic as long as the colour is not red?

InvitationNotFound

how some ppl try to defend the red masses. it's cute. "oh when we're pushed back so hard we have to zerg" and bla bla bla.
even when the whole map is completely red the red zerg is real. you hardly see them split up and even at the beginning when the other factions are taking back the keeps there is one huge blob of reds. and that's maybe one of the reasons they are pushed back that good. as all other keeps except one are free of reds...

BigBadVolk

Checkmath wrote: »

Actually sotha sil very much got pretty zergy or big group based, since the attitude of reds forced the other two factions into the same playstyle they showed for over a year now. small scale and solo game play pretty much is dead in sotha sil and everyone sees the need of playing either in a zerg or in a guildgroup to be competitive. its right, all three factions zerg, still reds are the best in it and forced that playstyle on everyone else. i talked with a lot of reds about it and they all said the same stuff like "since we can do it, we will do it" or "people need to be prepared to die, when they enter cyro". those statements are correct, but destroy pretty much every playstyle and DC and AD are only left with the possibility the do the same. somebody said EPs good players stay and other good players will leave. that would be a harsh situation for all three factions, since neither AD nor DC could withstand EP's zerg and we will be back like some months ago, where DC and AD only showed up between 6 and 10pm, since at every other daytime you only could meet a 20+ man zerg of EP. Campaign was dead in those hours, nobody had fun playing, not even reds, who were left with running in empty keeps with their zerg.

What i want to say is, that we all need to wake up. EP's, you guys just zerg too much and destroy the fun of all solo and small scale players. You know, that there is a small group or a solo player is on a ressource, so let him be there, he is looking for some nice action with a few enemy pugs, they dont want to meet a zerg. same with small groups.
guys, if you want to have fun, think about it and fight your enemies like you want to be treated as an enemy. if you want to zerg, then zerg around keeps, where enemy zergs are expected or guild groups. and think about it, what you are doing for the campaign, if its healthy or not. for example huge zerging at 2pm is definitely not what should be done. everyone else, who has no brain to think a little bit: gg on being a brainless zergling, do not wonder when you get called like this.

Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.

DTStormfox

Scamh wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

morning and night cap is obviously not a problem as long as the map is yellow But it doesnt really matter, pact fights on two fronts and its ok with me. Loads of action and eventually were tanking two sides every prime time, which isnt bad for a faction of pugs

Tanking generally means that you can withstand the onslaught, which EP clearly can't.

I'm also not sure if Draco, Immortal legends, Loups, Squishy Tomatos and every other guild I see running with the faction moshpit would refer to themselves and their faction as "pugs", in the literal sense anyway.

EP vs Reality, 0-100

We (Immortal Legends) are the best "pugs" in the game. You better get used to our supreme pugness and join the fun. Every faction has pugs, zerglings, bowtards, skilled and extremely skilled players. We, we are just having a bunch of fun to destress from work or whatever everybody does during a normal day. See you on the battlefield!

Thraben

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Scamh wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Whats gonna happen is you blues and yellows will lose the better players, because theyll get bored of the onesided show pushing ep to spawngates, youll end up with the trash and at the same time the best ep players remain, while you get the easygoers and zergsurfers,

Who will you be joining, AD or DC?

Still amazed at the green alliance complaining about ep zerging....Are you surprised ep shows up to defend their last keeps? Would it be better if we just went fishing all? EP last by far, every evening after prime time reduced to one or two keeps, still its not enough. Tell me, how many are EP allowed to muster prime time? SS has been locked on all 3 factions primetime lately, thats 6 bars vs ep's 3 full bars. You have double the number of people fighting ep. But its still not enough. Maybe ZoS needs to nerf EP?

I dont particularly support or promote zerging. I roam around on my own, usually at blue side since they have some decent players to just tag around with until I die, but be less biased to what SS actually is today, not what it was 4 months ago. Today SS has the potential to be a great 3 way battlefield, still it normally comes down to 2-3 hour messing around at arrius' various sides. Its not easy to do smallscale when both blue and yellow factionstack at arrius around midnight, is it:) And EP still tank pretty good both factions Even Sexy Squad melt to pug groups, maybe its time for you guys to test the deeper waters at Vivec prime time?

And Check Math, I cant argue against most of what you say, IF you add DC and AD to that definition. Or is zerging a legitimate tactic as long as the colour is not red?

At the moment the campaign is fine. I can´t remember when I could farm at Sejanus the last time without losing blue homekeeps. You can even play ungrouped in the afternoon. Just keep it that way. Of course, the yells are winning but this can shift anytime anyway.

Dedimos

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Sexy Squad melt to pug groups, maybe its time for you guys to test the deeper waters at Vivec prime time?

Wow, wiping to 50+ pugs including guilds (I suppose u count guilds as pugs too), some of them spamming meteors like crazy, which lead to exploiting current bug (rollback), much wow, much counterplay this is really amusing, how can zergling type such things. I can't believe that some EP have such tunnel vision, if you want to see EP PoV, search for Draco Imperia videos on YouTube.

Checkmath

@killimandrosb16_ESO

I said that all factions zerg, but reds do it the most and pretty force the other factions to do the same. it is actually legitimate for all factions, since ZOS did not prohibit it, but that does not mean it is fair or right.

@BigBadVolk

Nice...just a meaningless sentence in here, when we actually want to make it clear to people, why sotha sil got so zergy and unplayable for solo players and small scale groups....

red_emu

A year ago non-CP was really fun and vibrant to play. Now it's more of the same every day:

-9am: Map is Red. Tries to retake one keep with 10 people - 30+ reds show up
-10am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11:30am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-12pm: Map is still red. We have one keep - 60+ reds show up with EMP
-3pm: We have 2 keeps and now DC and EP push south together with an occasional scrap at Bleakers.
-6pm: Bleakers UA for 7 hours now
-8pm: We dethrone the EMP
-8:05pm: DC forms a zerg, EP forms a zerg.
-8:10pm: DC makes sure EP can take all the EMP keeps
-9pm: DC and EP get officially married at Bleakers and have a tea party
-10pm: AD owns 3/4 of the map
-11pm: EP reforms the zerg
-1am: EP PvDoor
-2am: EP PvDoor
-3am: EP PvDoor
-4am: EP PvDoor
-5am: EP PvDoor
-6am: EP PvDoor
-7am: Tries to take one resource - 110 EP show up
-8am: Day off wasted on 1v300

CoachPower

red_emu wrote: »

A year ago non-CP was really fun and vibrant to play. Now it's more of the same every day:

-9am: Map is Red. Tries to retake one keep with 10 people - 30+ reds show up
-10am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11:30am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-12pm: Map is still red. We have one keep - 60+ reds show up with EMP
-3pm: We have 2 keeps and now DC and EP push south together with an occasional scrap at Bleakers.
-6pm: Bleakers UA for 7 hours now
-8pm: We dethrone the EMP
-8:05pm: DC forms a zerg, EP forms a zerg.
-8:10pm: DC makes sure EP can take all the EMP keeps
-9pm: DC and EP get officially married at Bleakers and have a tea party
-10pm: AD owns 3/4 of the map
-11pm: EP reforms the zerg
-1am: EP PvDoor
-2am: EP PvDoor
-3am: EP PvDoor
-4am: EP PvDoor
-5am: EP PvDoor
-6am: EP PvDoor
-7am: Tries to take one resource - 110 EP show up
-8am: Day off wasted on 1v300

I love you.

CapuchinSeven

red_emu wrote: »

A year ago non-CP was really fun and vibrant to play. Now it's more of the same every day:

-9am: Map is Red. Tries to retake one keep with 10 people - 30+ reds show up
-10am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11:30am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-12pm: Map is still red. We have one keep - 60+ reds show up with EMP
-3pm: We have 2 keeps and now DC and EP push south together with an occasional scrap at Bleakers.
-6pm: Bleakers UA for 7 hours now
-8pm: We dethrone the EMP
-8:05pm: DC forms a zerg, EP forms a zerg.
-8:10pm: DC makes sure EP can take all the EMP keeps
-9pm: DC and EP get officially married at Bleakers and have a tea party
-10pm: AD owns 3/4 of the map
-11pm: EP reforms the zerg
-1am: EP PvDoor
-2am: EP PvDoor
-3am: EP PvDoor
-4am: EP PvDoor
-5am: EP PvDoor
-6am: EP PvDoor
-7am: Tries to take one resource - 110 EP show up
-8am: Day off wasted on 1v300

You missed out, 7pm - DC is trying to push Pact and with almost all AD keeps in Pact hands some AD ride all the way up to Glade or Warden, lock it out and troll around the tower

red_emu

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

A year ago non-CP was really fun and vibrant to play. Now it's more of the same every day:

-9am: Map is Red. Tries to retake one keep with 10 people - 30+ reds show up
-10am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-11:30am: Log in - Map Red - Log out
-12pm: Map is still red. We have one keep - 60+ reds show up with EMP
-3pm: We have 2 keeps and now DC and EP push south together with an occasional scrap at Bleakers.
-6pm: Bleakers UA for 7 hours now
-8pm: We dethrone the EMP
-8:05pm: DC forms a zerg, EP forms a zerg.
-8:10pm: DC makes sure EP can take all the EMP keeps
-9pm: DC and EP get officially married at Bleakers and have a tea party
-10pm: AD owns 3/4 of the map
-11pm: EP reforms the zerg
-1am: EP PvDoor
-2am: EP PvDoor
-3am: EP PvDoor
-4am: EP PvDoor
-5am: EP PvDoor
-6am: EP PvDoor
-7am: Tries to take one resource - 110 EP show up
-8am: Day off wasted on 1v300

You missed out, 7pm - DC is trying to push Pact and with almost all AD keeps in Pact hands some AD ride all the way up to Glade or Warden, lock it out and troll around the tower

Since we can't have yellow keeps, we try and make a new home in Covenant territory. It's not war anymore. It's mass migration

elpazho

Isnt it allways the same ? Scrubs scream its unfair, zerglings tell that factions working together , mimimimimi ...
What i see is the dead virtual bodys of all the zerglings in sotha after we fisted them hard,
Everyday. So pls EP ignore all the stupid comments and go on! Your zergs of meat is what i aim for !!

laksikus

@killimandrosb16_ESO

thats Sotha sil before prime time^^

Leeched

laksikus wrote: »

@killimandrosb16_ESO

thats Sotha sil before prime time^^

On this image one can clearly see that DC is zerging - Rayles AND DC are blue and Bleak is under attack so what exactly do you want to tell us with that picture?

Croucamp

laksikus wrote: »

@killimandrosb16_ESO

thats Sotha sil before prime time^^

Pact tanking the Green Alliance l2p

NupidStoob

laksikus wrote: »

@killimandrosb16_ESO

thats Sotha sil before prime time^^

Apart from the stupid zerging the biggest problem is that defending keeps is just not worth it. So all EP does is bring the entire faction to either DC or AD gates and takes all keeps and then swaps to the other. Over and over for a few hours until more DC and AD log in.

A few months back I wanted to get caltrops on my ep plar and went to join the morning capping on Sotha. The groupleader was actively trying to make strategies like in which order to take which keeps and from where to attack and how. It was pretty pathetic considering we fought 3 enemies in the entire 2 hours. Never went to Sotha again with my ep char after that.

ordraveeb17_ESO

laksikus wrote: »

@killimandrosb16_ESO

thats Sotha sil before prime time^^

lol after this rayles was taken in 15 min by MEGAZERG with 10 ppl group)))

killimandrosb16_ESO

and still ep is last, I find it hillarious But please continue If your statements were true, ep should have same lead as yellow on vivec, but ep doesnt. Thats the facts. Ep is last. How can a faction zerging the other two factions so hard making map unplayable be last in score? It just doesnt make sense or someone just go dadidaablaablaablaa to reality. Fact is all three factions zerg, BUT at prime time the zerg is poplocked, AND yellows/blues get tanked by ep, till after midnight when ep goes to sleep. Isnt that correct, yes we know it is.

Now how are you going to stop zerging, was the question; Answer is, it wont stop. And dont come crying about EP starting it. Ive been here since beta and Ive seen my fair share of zerging from both sides. You can look at the past with your rose tainted glasses, but its always been like this. Since the bat-swarms until todays bombing NB's (and yes, most guilds who run so called guild groups are pugs, because a pug is a member of a pick up group, and if you advertize in /z to fill up your group, youre a pug group by definition).

Still I manage at times to find soloers or smallish groups roaming around, which is nice. I dont have problems finding small scale fights, but if your primary target is to push ep back to spawngates, you will never do that. EP wont smallscale arrius/kings and farragut if theyre under a threat. Leaders on EP side spread out in two directions, one is south and one is west, that means either pact are on the offensive on one side, or they try to tank the other side. Yellows and blues on the other hand, apart from some very few small groups, head directly into red territory the moment they log in. And then they meet a zerg and complain about it. Now thats hypocrizy if you ask me If you REALLY wanna small scale, try avoiding the obvious chokepoints, especially at prime-time. If your pug jesuses of various colours bark you to smash into one direction and dozer all in its path down, you should go the other way Its not harder actually

laksikus

, you didnt say anything about the pic of the map.
Must be fake

NupidStoob

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

and still ep is last, I find it hillarious But please continue If your statements were true, ep should have same lead as yellow on vivec, but ep doesnt. Thats the facts. Ep is last. How can a faction zerging the other two factions so hard making map unplayable be last in score? It just doesnt make sense or someone just go dadidaablaablaablaa to reality. Fact is all three factions zerg, BUT at prime time the zerg is poplocked, AND yellows/blues get tanked by ep, till after midnight when ep goes to sleep. Isnt that correct, yes we know it is.

Ever since Morrowind EP has consistently more players online than the other factions in Sotha. My guess is that morrowind brought a huge influx of dunmer due to the nostalgia with the original Morrowind. Even with poplock during primetime the queuetimes for EP are way longer than other factions.

Yes all factions zerg and it's totally a problem, but saying EP isn't the biggest culprit in Sotha is as dumb as saying that AD isn't the biggest culprit in Vivec. I play my EP chars exclusively in Vivec because reds actually need some numbers there and even in their zonechat people occasionally make fun of EP on Sotha.

Regarding score reds will catch up soon enough. Alone today they got tons of points by having 3 bars from noon onwards after morning capping while yellows got to two only in the afternoon and blues in the evening. Yes reds get ganged on during primetime, because it's the only way the other two factions can compete with reds morning capping.

I hate playing during primetime since it's just laggy so I have to aim for the windows at the start or end of prime. At the start is kind of okayish until it gets too laggy, but at the end is absolutely frustrating when your faction starts logging off while reds will stay strong with 3 bars way past midnight. Outside of primetime I can only play on DC or EP in Vivec.

IndorilArwynLlethran

Briefly visited Sotha yesterday exactly when the map was like on the picture above. Met the Emperor. Dear EP, he is popping destro ulti 1v1. Shame on you.

Trashs1

Blue and yellow only pushing against reds??

Not true. As soon the map looks a bit more normal we try to get some interesting competition, hail on fistys and luxys here.

We will loose our good players for running against reds with no danger in our backlines?

There are at least 4 good grps on blue side, 2 and 1 smallscale on yellow.. and on red? I cant remember when i saw zerg squad the last time..

We are all working, between 30 and 40 years old. We are not able to nightcap. Every day the same, we log in, find the whole map red or newly yellow and have to pvd the map back first.

Im not complaining we have fun in our ts. But as soon the map looks good we try to find some equal competition. When we find luxys or fistys its dead silence in our ts and only the raid leader talks. Full conzentration there. If we win its a great feeling and pvp experience! If we loose its ok for me to

Feanor

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

and still ep is last, I find it hillarious But please continue If your statements were true, ep should have same lead as yellow on vivec, but ep doesnt. Thats the facts. Ep is last. How can a faction zerging the other two factions so hard making map unplayable be last in score? It just doesnt make sense or someone just go dadidaablaablaablaa to reality. Fact is all three factions zerg, BUT at prime time the zerg is poplocked, AND yellows/blues get tanked by ep, till after midnight when ep goes to sleep. Isnt that correct, yes we know it is.

Now how are you going to stop zerging, was the question; Answer is, it wont stop. And dont come crying about EP starting it. Ive been here since beta and Ive seen my fair share of zerging from both sides. You can look at the past with your rose tainted glasses, but its always been like this. Since the bat-swarms until todays bombing NB's (and yes, most guilds who run so called guild groups are pugs, because a pug is a member of a pick up group, and if you advertize in /z to fill up your group, youre a pug group by definition).

Still I manage at times to find soloers or smallish groups roaming around, which is nice. I dont have problems finding small scale fights, but if your primary target is to push ep back to spawngates, you will never do that. EP wont smallscale arrius/kings and farragut if theyre under a threat. Leaders on EP side spread out in two directions, one is south and one is west, that means either pact are on the offensive on one side, or they try to tank the other side. Yellows and blues on the other hand, apart from some very few small groups, head directly into red territory the moment they log in. And then they meet a zerg and complain about it. Now thats hypocrizy if you ask me If you REALLY wanna small scale, try avoiding the obvious chokepoints, especially at prime-time. If your pug jesuses of various colours bark you to smash into one direction and dozer all in its path down, you should go the other way Its not harder actually

EP is last because the average Red on Sotha Sil is hilariously bad. EP has only numbers going for them, and you can be sure to be chased by a full raid as solo player any time, but as soon as the numbers advantage in a combat situation is gone EP crumbles like a cookie.

And frankly, you can be grateful that your “tanking 2 factions” escape route isn’t true - if DC would really focus only Reds (and AD wouldn’t push past Roe/Ash) you wouldn’t own one keep for all of prime time.

Thraben

laksikus wrote: »

@killimandrosb16_ESO

thats Sotha sil before prime time^^

Sorry for pushing against red yesterday. The next time our target selection will be less biased.