The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/

WW LA (Normalized) ... WW Feedback Thread

  • RoyJade
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    RouDeR wrote: »
    I will start preparing my WW R.I.P. video tomrw.

    Feel free to do. Nothing changed, WW light and heavy are still the exact same as non WW attack.
  • Osubaker33
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    I really need to start looking for an alternative game, ZoS just doesnt pay any attention to what thier customers actually want. .
  • Aznox
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    Ok my new recommendation is to keep this thread at the top of the PTS forum until we get an acknowledgement. Our post count is going to skyrocket :)
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  • jediprime74
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    Aznox wrote: »
    Ok my new recommendation is to keep this thread at the top of the PTS forum until we get an acknowledgement. Our post count is going to skyrocket :)

    I'm okay with this idea.
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  • ZOS_GinaBruno
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.
    Gina Bruno
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  • Aznox
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    Edit : new recommendation is to thank Gina for the acknowledgement and go back to a trusting-yet-vigilant position :)
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  • Sharee
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    Observation: your WW light damage will actually be higher on PTS than on live if your wolfie fights completely naked :D
    Edited by Sharee on May 7, 2018 9:32PM
  • RoyJade
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.

    So you confirm this is not intended ? If so, thanks a lot !
    If no, still thanks for the reply, we really need more these days.
  • Wuuffyy
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.

    Omg thank you so much. That’s all I needed.
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  • Osubaker33
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    Thank you very much for the acknoledgement that you have seen this!!!
  • jediprime74
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.

    Thank you, @ZOS_GinaBruno!
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  • jediprime74
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    Hey everyone,

    We understand you're frustrated and disappointed there won't be any additional changes to class balance. No, really. That isn't a canned response - the frustration today has been noticed. While we did implement several changes to class balance in the first PTS patch, there's still more to be done. Unfortunately, there simply aren't enough hours in the day to do everything and we don't want to implement changes sloppily (which will introduce loads of risk to other abilities and systems). In these cases, we need to prioritize. As mentioned earlier this morning, the current priority is making sure the new item sets are balanced and fixing outstanding bugs, among a few other things.

    It's worth noting we are still moving forward with the Class Representative Program mentioned a few weeks back, and are still in the process of narrowing down the nominations to a group of about 10-12 players. To give you some insight, we've gotten it down to about 30 players as of today. This program will help give us additional insight to the current class pain points and, if everything works as planned, open up the dialogue between everyone to give some more transparency which we know could use some improvement. We hope to have this spun up by time Summerset launches, so it will be soon.

    As far as the PTS class feedback threads, these do prove to be useful to have everything centralized in a single thread. In the future, though, we're talking about limiting these threads to the updates where we plan to actively make changes to class abilities to better set expectations.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    Would you be so kind as to give us an update on the issue of werewolf light attack damage? It received a 40% nerf, which was not indicated in any of the Patch Notes, and the thread dedicated to discussing that issue has received no response from any ZOS employee, so we are unsure if the issue is a bug or if it was intentional. If the former, it would be nice to see an acknowledgment and some idea of whether it is being fixed. If it is the latter, we would very much like for it to be included in Patch Notes along with an explanation of why the bread and butter damage mechanic for Werewolves is being nerfed to the point that most of those running WW builds will drop that skill line entirely.

    Just replied to that thread, but we've seen it and are digging in to see what's going on.

    From the other thread, glad we got some feedback.
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  • Ertthewolf
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    Thanks for keeping this thread going guys!
  • Jake1576
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    Just great ww already is bad enough is it is and now this ww will really suck then if this makes it to live ww needs to be reworked all together in this game or at least not nerfed if anything the time you can stay in ww needs to be increased and so does the damage
    Edited by Jake1576 on May 8, 2018 2:04AM
  • Qbiken
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.

    Thank you :smiley:
  • sneakymitchell
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.

    Yea since only the trait and enchantments work in werewolf form. Be nice if weapon passives can go with werewolf. It would help make it too complicated as well.

    And since vampire can still be able to use the weapon skill line passives and skills itself. Werewolf is just separated. And only very few things are added instead of being the same.

    So pretty much just Have werewolf and weapon skill line passive stay together while in werewolf form.
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  • Aznox
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    Did the test myself since the EU characters are now copied on PTS :

    Live : Max crit = 9845
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    PTS : Max crit = 6525
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    So currently on PTS my Werewolf form light attacks have a 33,7% reduction in damage while my human form (and probably all my opponents) have a 9% increase. So i can confirm the previously advanced number of around 40% relative decrease in WW LA damage.
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  • Qbiken
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    Hey all, thanks for the info posted here. Just confirming we've seen it and are taking a look.

    Yea since only the trait and enchantments work in werewolf form. Be nice if weapon passives can go with werewolf. It would help make it too complicated as well.

    And since vampire can still be able to use the weapon skill line passives and skills itself. Werewolf is just separated. And only very few things are added instead of being the same.

    So pretty much just Have werewolf and weapon skill line passive stay together while in werewolf form.

    If I´ve to guess, the reason that weapon-passives isn´t active in WW-form is because of the balance-issues it would create. Imagine running dual-wield axes on a werewolf. You already have a strong bleed from your light attacks, and then adding the twin-blade and blunt bleed on top of this. It would be way too strong.
  • jediprime74
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    Aznox wrote: »
    Did the test myself since the EU characters are now copied on PTS :

    Live : Max crit = 9845
    wnk4eeT.png

    PTS : Max crit = 6525
    2jWluDJ.png

    So currently on PTS my Werewolf form light attacks have a 33,7% reduction in damage while my human form (and probably all my opponents) have a 9% increase. So i can confirm the previously advanced number of around 40% relative decrease in WW LA damage.

    Thanks for this post!

    Has anyone else tested it on PTS? If so, please post your results here as well. The more data we can throw up here for them to look at, the better.
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  • Jake1576
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    More complaining needed less trying to be formal
  • ZOS_GinaBruno
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    To update everyone on this, we're going to try and get a fix in for this in next week's PTS patch. And yes, it was a bug; there will be a pretty significant buff coming with the change.
    Gina Bruno
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  • Lykanus
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    To update everyone on this, we're going to try and get a fix in for this in next week's PTS patch. And yes, it was a bug; there will be a pretty significant buff coming with the change.

    Thats great to hear ! And thank you for letting us know ! :)

    You made my day happier!
  • Koolio
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    We’ve won people lol
  • rafaelcsmaia
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    So as I understand now, it will scale correctly, which means instead of reducing 40%, it should get a boost? WW seems promising for pvp then
  • Chrlynsch
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    Our time has come wolves!
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  • Glaiceana
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    To update everyone on this, we're going to try and get a fix in for this in next week's PTS patch. And yes, it was a bug; there will be a pretty significant buff coming with the change.
    Thank you for letting us know Gina!! :)
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  • Koolio
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    Now if only pack leader morph wasn’t bugged
  • ClockworkCityBugs
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    any PTS testers can confirm boost?
  • Avran_Sylt
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    @ClockworkCityBugs

    It's slated to be pushed next week. It hasn't been yet.
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