justinbarrett wrote: »I've docked my bosmer toons since the change....
Marcus_Thracius wrote: »Vote with your wallet - otherwise they ignore you
I think it was Rich Lambert who said “You know you don’t have to be here” in response to criticism. Somehow I think they’d rather feel “right” than acquiesce to “customers”. I found the quote. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3160562/#Comment_3160562
Besides they are counting on bringing in a bunch of Khajiit players to make up for anything lost. Cats appeal to the internet meme community (3rd person speech is basically Can Haz Cheezeburger), to people who don’t care about Elder Scrolls but like cats, to people who identify as furry/anthro, etc. They’re planning on raking it in with the flash in the pan gaming community. Those are also the people who are most likely to splurge on cosmetics to make their kitten unique.
I am interested to see if there is a patch today and that the detect invisible target bug/feature survives.
Cundu_Ertur wrote: »
Hand_Bacon wrote: »I'm not saying anyone should accept something they don't like, but I do truly hope people who have grown to enjoy the characters they've created find a way to continue with them despite this change. It may feel like its all over for that character right now, but its not over, who knows what the future might bring.
For now, maybe your character is on a new life mission or something.
A_Silverius wrote: »Hand_Bacon wrote: »I'm not saying anyone should accept something they don't like, but I do truly hope people who have grown to enjoy the characters they've created find a way to continue with them despite this change. It may feel like its all over for that character right now, but its not over, who knows what the future might bring.
For now, maybe your character is on a new life mission or something.
No thanks, I'll take back my stealth thank you very much. A Bosmer without stealth is a Bosmer doom to be a Guard with an arrow in its knee.
A_Silverius wrote: »No thanks, I'll take back my stealth thank you very much. A Bosmer without stealth is a Bosmer doom to be a Guard with an arrow in its knee.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »A_Silverius wrote: »No thanks, I'll take back my stealth thank you very much. A Bosmer without stealth is a Bosmer doom to be a Guard with an arrow in its knee.
Okay...
Until then, I guess...happy misery?
Sylvermynx wrote: »So.... the thought that comes to my mind is that the devs have done this whole stupid "*** on the lore" thing because they don't want TG and DB to give so many tickets that the next event or so won't be bothered with.
You know, that hadn't even occurred to me, but now that you mention it..... they did say that event tickets would be available for purchase in the crown store. Perhaps this upcoming event will be the one? That would be a terrible coincidence. Please tell me it's not planned that way!Try doing heists or sacraments where you're actually timed and it matters whether you get detected or not. Try to get all objectives.
Exactly. They are hard enough to do perfectly with a maxed out stealth character, let alone one gimped because his stealth bonus was removed.
What about adding 10% movement speed in stealth instead of penetration?
Useless, set bonuses from gear, vampirism passives, and a nightblade skill all outstrip that, meanwhile the racial stealth bonus is stronger than any set bonus, to give you a comparison for power.
Now if you made the bonus +30% speed in stealth, it'd be slightly faster than default move speed so slightly better than night's silence or other means of ignoring stealth's movement speed penalty, that would be comparable to -3 detect radius from the racial vs -2 detect radius from sets. I'd still rather have -3 stealth detect radius, but at least then it'd be somewhat comparable in power. Khajiit would still hide better, Bosmer would just be the fastest race in stealth.
I would be against this, mainly because I don't think you should ever be able to sneak faster than the default walk speed.
What about adding 10% movement speed in stealth instead of penetration?
Useless, set bonuses from gear, vampirism passives, and a nightblade skill all outstrip that, meanwhile the racial stealth bonus is stronger than any set bonus, to give you a comparison for power.
Now if you made the bonus +30% speed in stealth, it'd be slightly faster than default move speed so slightly better than night's silence or other means of ignoring stealth's movement speed penalty, that would be comparable to -3 detect radius from the racial vs -2 detect radius from sets. I'd still rather have -3 stealth detect radius, but at least then it'd be somewhat comparable in power. Khajiit would still hide better, Bosmer would just be the fastest race in stealth.
I would be against this, mainly because I don't think you should ever be able to sneak faster than the default walk speed.
Well the idea is that the racial stealth bonus is more powerful than a 3 or 5 piece set bonus, so you shouldn't replace it with a bonus that is LESS than that.
What about adding 10% movement speed in stealth instead of penetration?
Useless, set bonuses from gear, vampirism passives, and a nightblade skill all outstrip that, meanwhile the racial stealth bonus is stronger than any set bonus, to give you a comparison for power.
Now if you made the bonus +30% speed in stealth, it'd be slightly faster than default move speed so slightly better than night's silence or other means of ignoring stealth's movement speed penalty, that would be comparable to -3 detect radius from the racial vs -2 detect radius from sets. I'd still rather have -3 stealth detect radius, but at least then it'd be somewhat comparable in power. Khajiit would still hide better, Bosmer would just be the fastest race in stealth.
I would be against this, mainly because I don't think you should ever be able to sneak faster than the default walk speed.
Well the idea is that the racial stealth bonus is more powerful than a 3 or 5 piece set bonus, so you shouldn't replace it with a bonus that is LESS than that.
I know. My resistance to that as a bonus stems from I don't think anything should let you sneak faster than you can walk.
If it comes down to lore I doubt they will do anything about it. They seem to throw lore to the side when making changes, I mean.I’m guessing many of you will be interested to know more about the racial balance changes. While we aren’t ready to share specific details yet, here’s a peek at the goals driving the team’s effort:When selecting a race, players should have multiple effective options for any given gameplay role. The combat power provided by each race should be more equalized. Players should feel a stronger sense of power progression through racial passives as they level up. The unique feeling and flavor each race provides should be retained and enhanced where possible, and remain faithful to established lore.
That's all for now. Feedback, as always, is welcome.
Sorry none of those are even close to true for Argonians. Also how is removing Argonian poison resistance staying faithful to established lore?
It's all over the actual in game lore from quest NPC's. Let's see we have the Bleakrock spider quest, Eastmarch Daril quest, Green-Venom-Tongue Shadowscale stating he got his name because he drank so much poison, his tongue is permanently stained green, Jee-Lar mentioning it in that poison sniffer lizard quest, and prob others I'm forgetting.
@ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Gilliam care to elaborate on this epic lore fail?
That's about as lore breaking as you can get, saying a race is resistant to something in game and removing it from them.
Marcus_Thracius wrote: »Vote with your wallet - otherwise they ignore you
I think it was Rich Lambert who said “You know you don’t have to be here” in response to criticism. Somehow I think they’d rather feel “right” than acquiesce to “customers”. I found the quote. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3160562/#Comment_3160562
Besides they are counting on bringing in a bunch of Khajiit players to make up for anything lost. Cats appeal to the internet meme community (3rd person speech is basically Can Haz Cheezeburger), to people who don’t care about Elder Scrolls but like cats, to people who identify as furry/anthro, etc. They’re planning on raking it in with the flash in the pan gaming community. Those are also the people who are most likely to splurge on cosmetics to make their kitten unique.
That quote was taken out of context and reused in many places.
A_Silverius wrote: »Hand_Bacon wrote: »A_Silverius wrote: »No thanks, I'll take back my stealth thank you very much. A Bosmer without stealth is a Bosmer doom to be a Guard with an arrow in its knee.
Okay...
Until then, I guess...happy misery?
Until then, we give feedback until its fixed that's what.
“But you can wear glyphs if you want to role play as poison resistant.” Is what forum dwellers would say if you pointed this out to them.
I agree and as I’ve said, they should have given stealth radius reduction to more races, Argonian and Dunmer need it too.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
Hand_Bacon wrote: »
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In Coldharbor, the player runs across a group of Wood Elves that seem to vanish and reappear at will amongst the trees there. That is what Bosmers should be like.
Now I am willing to let the stealthiness originate in a form of a skill tree OUTSIDE of their racials, but that's where I am drawing the line.
Now I am willing to let the stealthiness originate in a form of a skill tree OUTSIDE of their racials, but that's where I am drawing the line.
I'd honestly draw the line even sooner. No Bosmer stealth racials? [snip] But I'm probably easier to please when it comes to what kind of stealth buff to give them.
Hand_Bacon wrote: »@BlueRaven
A better analogy would be...
"I've got a flesh wound, guess I'll go ahead and cut my legs off, that'll show 'em"
or
"My leg is bleeding badly, but I won't put on that tourniquet!
No sorry, that's a terrible analogy and it is missing the point entirely. I'm not saying his was better, but it came definitely closer.