anatole1234 wrote: »

People Seem to forget that sorc has access to a Breath of Life equivalent : Twilight Matriarch. Although I would love for sorc's pet to be castable and not toggeable to make it more consistent with other classes and not waste a skill spot . Let's be real for a second : shield stacking has been a massive issue since day one. Already working on a heavy armor magicka sorc to show it won't be the death of the class.

anatole1234 wrote: »

People Seem to forget that sorc has access to a Breath of Life equivalent : Twilight Matriarch. Although I would love for sorc's pet to be castable and not toggeable to make it more consistent with other classes and not waste a skill spot . Let's be real for a second : shield stacking has been a massive issue since day one. Already working on a heavy armor magicka sorc to show it won't be the death of the class.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

anatole1234 wrote: »

People Seem to forget that sorc has access to a Breath of Life equivalent : Twilight Matriarch. Although I would love for sorc's pet to be castable and not toggeable to make it more consistent with other classes and not waste a skill spot . Let's be real for a second : shield stacking has been a massive issue since day one. Already working on a heavy armor magicka sorc to show it won't be the death of the class.

I'm waiting for your results. Not like people didn't already tried to make a no-shields magsorc work.

But short question: how do you keep the twilight alive without instant wards? And where do you put all your skills when your two bars are riddled with toggles and your OL bar is gone?

• Make it deplete 5/10 ultimates every 1/2 seconds, it should reward skilful rotation. If your weaving is perfect you would make better use of this ultimate, get better damage and restore more magicka.
  Let's imagine you have 170 ultimate, the choice between an atronach and overload should be interesting ... Overload should deal more damage than the atronach IF your weaving is perfect ( + help with sustain ) WHILE atronach would be useful IF you can't weave properly or want to play a pet build or/and don't have any sustain issue and so want to grant major berserk to 1 ally.
• overload proc enchantment of the bar you are currently on ( this is a nice thing ) ... make it so your right hand hold the staff and do a LA while the other hand could do an OL LA if the ultimate is active ( both would hit at the same time )
• What about the morphs ? One give 1K magicka each time you do an OL LA, the other morph increase the LA range and the HA radius, nobody care about OL HA, and the increased range on OL LA is not needed since the base range is the same as a standard LA = it mean you don't need to get closer to the boss when you active the ultimate ... They should better merge both morphs into one and keep the 3rd bar on a morph ( the 3rd bar is really useful and unique on both stam and magsorc for PVP ).
• About the OL HA, Nobody is gonna use that ... I would prefer to charge the ultimate on trash and keep it for boss, I don't think i'm the only one. They should better make it a beam we could use on atronach or pets increasing their damage during X sec or a Dot ... Anything.

• Scamp and daedric prey both cost 500 less magicka, i's interesting ! Thank for this change.
• The tormentor change is laughable, the few players who play a pets build in pve and pvp prefer the Matriarch morph , 15% reduced cost on tormentor special attack isn't gonna make it interesting when the special attack we are talking about is beyond uselessness.

• if your goal is to make it interesting in both PVE and PVP, here is an idea (not the best):
  " Dark Conversion: Cost 2000 stamina ~ Cast-T : Instant ~ Duration: 20,4 sec ~ Self : Bargain with darkness, restore 8K health and 4696 Magicka after 1,2 sec. [ Then restore 1100 health and 230 magicka each 1,2 sec during 19,2 sec. After 1,2 the skill deplete 350 stamina each second, until you run out of stamina or the ability is toggled off]. You can be interrupted within 1,2 sec after you used the ability, in this case it won't restore the cost of the skill.
  
  Or Same thing But restore 2500 magicka after 1,2 sec instead of 4696 and you won't lose 2000 stamina if someone interrupt you
  I really like this idea, make it a toogle like mend wound ( requiered on one bar only), toggle the skill on ... wait 1,2 sec then toggle it off, and repeat if you only care about the first part of the skill, or keep it on and it will start draining your stamina while restoring your health and magicka each 1,2 sec after 1,2 sec.
  
  
• Dark Conversion: Cost 2250 stamina ~ Cast-T : Instant ~ Self : Bargain with darkness, restore 8K health and 4696 Magicka after 1,2 sec. and 2500 magicka over 20 second. you can be interrupted within 1,2 sec after you used the ability, in this case it won't restore the cost of the skill.
  
  Or Same thing But restore 2500 magicka after 1,2 sec instead of 4696, cost 2000 stamina, and you won't lose 2000 stamina if someone interrupt you
  ( This would make the ability useful in PVE cause the cast time is the main problem ) and keep it useful in PVP.

Class Reps Meeting Notes - August 16 wrote: »

Initial and early feedback for Sorcerers is that their class is walking in place with the buff-nerf cycle to Rune Prison.

• Most of the time you won't stun anyone with that ... If you stun someone they will break free easily within 3 sec ... And if they break free it won't deal any damage ... make it deal deal damage when the stun ends ( even if the target break free) would be a good step, even though I don't think it would worth slotting ... Clench is better and can be used instead force pulse ... and with all the nerf coming ( shields, 3rd bar gone ) we will need a lot of bar slot !

Class Reps Meeting Notes - August 16 wrote: »

Bound Armor needs to be more worthwhile

• Bound Aegis: Cost 3443 magicka ( reduce the cost ? ): Protect yourself and your pets ( cooool ) with the power of Oblivion, Creating a suit of Daedric mail for you and your pets that increases your block mitigation by 36% for 3 seconds, also anchor your Daedric Familiar in Tamriel during 42 sec. While slotted, your Max [...]
  
  Isn't that cool ? " Anchor " mean you would not need them on Both bar ... If you don't refresh the buff you will need to reactive the pet, it's the risk and it reward skilful rotation. Of course they would need to slightly change the pet ( see below).
  If you have the scamp or the twillight on 1 bar and barswitch ... they would just stand where they are " screaming" during 1 sec then dissapear unless you active bound aegis or barswitch )

ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know we've been monitoring the feedback on this thread and elsewhere on the forums. Clearly there's a lot of concern around the impact of adding a cast time to Conjured Ward and Annulment.

First I'd like to talk about our motivation with the change. We believe choices between damage output and survivability make combat more interesting. There are a number of areas within our system that could better adhere to this philosophy, but these self-cast damage shield abilities stood out as being particularly out of line. It was too easy to throw a bunch of effective health on yourself while making a minimal sacrifice in terms of DPS itemization and rotation. This applied to both PvE and PvP scenarios.

The addition of a cast time makes that choice between damage output and survivability more deliberate and strategic. However, as many of you have pointed out, there are several potential issues with this solution. We identified many of these risks prior to PTS, and we're actively monitoring feedback from the community, Class Reps, and PTS testers.

If we decide to make significant changes to the abilities, those changes would not appear until at least PTS 3. However, we agree Conjured Ward and Annulment are too easy to interrupt in PvP, so we'll be making both spells immune to interrupts for PTS 2. We'll also be meeting with the Class Reps next week to discuss the changes.

In the meantime, we encourage you to continue experimenting, evaluating, and providing feedback.

gpiolettipreeb18_ESO wrote: »

Hi all, it's long time i want to make this post.
I've been into this game since beta and StamSorc it's my main since 3 years, i agree with last changes and nerf to Dark Deal and Overload 3rd bar but after those changes a redesign of this class is mandatory because we are going to have even less buffs and chances to survive.

I'm writing all this text because i hope it will help to improve this game, i've appreciated many changes made by ZOS and i'm pretty sure you'll think also to sorc...if you finally nerfed shields after 4 years, we can always hope!
I'm sorry if i made some mistakes, please tell me.

I made 4 tables to compare all stamina classes:
Into those tables i've put all Stamina relevant passives, stamina morph of skills and some magicka skills which you don't need to spam and you can sustain on a stamina char, tha's why you'll se Crit Surge and not Streak or Toppling Charge.

I'll draw my own conclusion first so those who don't want to read the wall of text are free to stop here, at the end you'll find all the 4 tables with the name of the skills taken in account.
Table 1 – Buffs
Warden and Nightblade both shine here, they got 10 official buffs and keep being buffed every patch.
Dragonknight and Templars follow with half the buffes, luckly Templars got buffed this patch.
Sorcerer is the last one and, apart from generic buffs like Major Ward and Major Resolve, we only get Minor Expedition...nothing compared to classes who got Mending, Berserk or Protection.

Table 2 – Debuffs
Again Warden and Nightblade to the very top with all the best debuffs into the game.
Dragonknight and Templars follow with minor things.
Sorcerer got nothing.

Table 3 – Generic Boons
Here things changes a bit.
Templars and Dragonknight are the best with bonus to nearly everything.
Sorcerers are finally average with some regen and reduce costs, but again nothing important like buffs to defences or healing, and a buff to damage which is useless since we need to use only weapon skill on our main damage bar and can't slot more than one or two class skills.
Warden and Nightblade are at the end, but not that much.

Table 4 – Class Skills
This table is different because you can usually have only one buff, a second of the same will overwrite, while you can have multiple skills with the same effect.
Here Wardens are at the top of the food chain (and of course of the fun), they have everything: ultimate, spammable skills, CCs endless regen.
Dragonknight and Nightblade follow very close with full of utilities, even if Dks still lack of a true spammable attack but at least got many Dots, powerfull ulties and lot of regen and defences.
Templars are behind and i repeat luckly they got buffed last patch.
Last AND Least Sorcerers with just Hurricane and Implosion to shine, no defences, no healing or sustain apart Dark Deal which is cast time and interruptable nothing compared to Bully Netch or whatever.

So after this comparison don't be surprised when you see many stamblade and stamwarden around, to be honest i dont want to change.
I mean i have every stam class maxed and i could start playing stamden, but I LIKE my stamsorc, i dont want to cast flowers and trees, i like hurricanes and thunders!
What i dont like is to be pushed to play something i dislike only because it's 200% more powerfull, please i bought your game, Morrowind and Summerset aswell...i dont want nobody to be nerfed, only that you make justice of a huge difference that even a blind man would see.

Thank you.

Follow tables

Table 1 – Buffs
Warden
Buffs (10): Major Mending, Major Endurance, Minor Toughness, Major Ward, Major Resolve, Minor Evasion, Major Expedition, Major Heroism, Minor Berserk, Minor Protection
Skills: Falcon’s Swiftness (active), Green Lotus (active), Accelerated Growth (passive), Ice Fortress (active), Shimmering Shield (active), Maturation (passive).
Nightblade
Buffs (10): Major Brutality, Minor Endurance, Major Ward, Major Resolve, Major Evasion, Major Expedition, Major Berserk, Minor Berserk, Minor Savagery, Minor Protection
Skills: Reaper’s Mark (active), Relentless Focus (active), Power Extraction (active), Hemorrhage (passive), Shadow Barrier (passive), Dark Cloak (active), Double take (active).
Templar
Buffs (6): Minor Mending, Major Ward, Major Resolve, Major Savagery, Major Protection, Minor Protection
Skills: Biting Jabs (active), Sacred Ground (passive), Restoring Focus (active), Empowering Sweep (ultimate).
Dragonknight
Buffs (5): Major Brutality, Minor Brutality, Major Mending, Major Ward, Major Resolve
Skills: Hardened Armor (active), Igneous Weapons (active), Mountain’s Blessing (Passive), Fragmented Shield (active).
Sorcerer
Buffs (4): Major Brutality, Major Ward, Major Resolve, Minor Expetition
Skills: Critical Surge (active), Hurricane (active).


Table 2 – Debuffs
Nightblade
Debuffs (3): Major Fracture, Major Defile, Minor Maim.
Skills: Reaper’s Mark (active), Surprise attack (active), Mass Hysteria (active), Incapacitating Strike (ultimate).
Warden
Debuffs (2): Major Fracture, Minor Lifesteal.
Skills: Subterranean Assault (active), Leeching Vines (active).
Dragonknight
Debuffs (1): Major Fracture.
Skills: Noxious Breath (active).
Templar
Debuffs (1): Minor Fracture.
Skills: Power of the Light (active).
Sorcerer
Debuffs (0): .

Table 3 – Generic Boons
Templar
Bonus (11): Health regen, Stamina regen, Magika regen, Ulti. regen, Ulti. reduce cost, Stamina reduce cost, Magika reduce cost, Bonus to critical, Bonus to damage, Bonus to healing, Bonus to resistances.
Skills: Piercing Spear (Passive), Balanced Warrior (passive), Prism (Passive), Restoring Spirit (Passive), Mending (passive), Repentance (active).
Dragonknight
Bonus (8): Max Stats, Health regen, Stamina regen, Ulti. regen, Stamina reduce cost, Bonus to damage, Bonus to healing, Bonus to resistances.
Skills: Searing Heat (passive), World in Ruin (passive), Burning Hearth (passive), Scaled Armor (passive), Elder Dragon (passive), Elder Dragon (passive), Mountain’s Blessing (Passive).
Sorcerer
Bonus (8): Max Stats, Health regen, Stamina regen, Magika regen, Ulti. reduce cost, Stamina reduce cost, Magika reduce cost, Bonus to damage.
Skills: Daedric protection (passive), Bound armaments (active), Energized (passive), Expert Mage (passive) irrelevant since Stam.Sorc. needs to use weapon skill on his main dmg bar), Power Stone (passive), Unholy Knowledge (passive).
Warden
Bonus (6): Stamina regen, Magika regen, Ulti. regen, Bonus to damage, Bonus to healing, Bonus to resistances.
Skills: Savage Beast (Passive), Flourish (Passive), Advanced Species (Passive), Emerald Moss (passive), Frozen Armor (passive).
Nightblade
Bonus (5): Max Stats, Health regen, Stamina regen, Magika regen, Ulti. regen.
Skills: Master Assassin (passive), Pressure Point (passive), Hemorrhage (passive), Refreshing Shadows (passive), Transfer (passive).

Table 4 – Class Skills
Warden: 14
Nightblade: 12
Dragonknight: 11
Templar: 9
Sorcerer: 6

Main Spammable
Warden: Cutting Dive (active), Subterranean Assault (active).
Nightblade: Surprise attack (active).
Templar: Biting Jabs (active).
Sorcerer: No
Dragonknight: No

Gapcloser
Nightblade: Ambush (active).
Templar: No
Sorcerer: No
Dragonknight: No
Warden: No

Dot
Dragonknight: Venomous Claw (active), Noxious Breath (active).
Sorcerer: Hurricane (active).
Templar: Power of the Light (active).
Nightblade: No
Warden: No

Regen Skill
Dragonknight: Combustion (passive), Battle Roar (passive), Helping Hands (passive).
Nightblade: Executioner (passive), Leeching Strikes (active), Catalyst (passive).
Warden: Bull Netch (active), Nature’s Gift (passive).
Sorcerer: Dark Deal (active), Capacitor (passive).
Templar: Restoring Focus (active).

Snares and CCs
Dragonknight: Take Flight (ultimate), Warmth (passive).
Nightblade: Incapacitating Strike (ultimate), Mass Hysteria (active).
Templar: Binding Javelin (active), Sacred Ground (passive).
Warden: Permafrost (ultimate), Glacial Presence (passive).
Sorcerer: No

Defense and Heals
Warden: Shooting Spores (active), Leeching Vines (active), Shimmering Shield (active), Green Lotus (active), Icy Aura (passive).
Nightblade: Double take (active), Dark Cloak (active), Shadow Image (actrive)
Dragonknight: Iron Skin (passive), Fragmented Shield (active).
Templar: Extended Ritual (active), Repentance (active).
Sorcerer: Critical Surge (active), Dark Deal (active).

Ultimate
Warden: Wild Guardian, Permafrost, Healing Thicket.
Dragonknight: Take Flight, Corrosive Armor.
Nightblade: Incapacitating Strike
Templar: Empowering Sweep
Sorcerer: No

Execute
Sorcerer: Implosion (passive).
Nightblade: Killer’s Blade (active).
Templar: Burning Light (Passive).
Dragonknight: No
Warden: No

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Illuvatarr wrote: »

Until they figure out a solution, pets should be immune to siege in pvp and should be much tougher than they are. They die too quickly.