Publius_Scipio wrote: »Warden will suck and people will take to the forums en masse to rage at ZOS that the reason they purchased Morrowind was for the new class, and they want a full refund and all devs fired immediately.
Then Scipio will take to the forums and make fun of all those complaining.
BGS are already dead on arrival no restrictions on having multiple classes everyone in the group should have to be a different class also not making it required for the group to have a 2 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer setup is dumb without these 2 things BGS will undoubtedly be an unbalanced cancerous mess no thanks I'm steering clear of BGS it's a cool idea rip tho.
I understand that at the end of the day none of the above will completely stop cancer and cheese groups but it better than doing nothing at all and just allowing it to happen.
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.
I also disagree that there is a force fed meta. 4 tanks dps specs will have a real hard time even being a threat to the teams I plan to run with.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Warden will suck and people will take to the forums en masse to rage at ZOS that the reason they purchased Morrowind was for the new class, and they want a full refund and all devs fired immediately.
Then Scipio will take to the forums and make fun of all those complaining.
It's a combination of things that will put Warden in a great spot, not to mention they have every good buff in the game plus tools built in for infinite sustain. Don't see how anyone can't see why theyll be over the top.
Stam sorcs class wise don't stand out on paper BUT when you throw everything together plus theorycrafying the class comes out on top. Warden will be no different when it comes out.
BGS are already dead on arrival no restrictions on having multiple classes everyone in the group should have to be a different class also not making it required for the group to have a 2 dps, 1 tank, 1 healer setup is dumb without these 2 things BGS will undoubtedly be an unbalanced cancerous mess no thanks I'm steering clear of BGS it's a cool idea rip tho.
I understand that at the end of the day none of the above will completely stop cancer and cheese groups but it better than doing nothing at all and just allowing it to happen.
When was the last time you used the group finder? DDs tag themselves as healers and tanks all the time to get faster queue-ins. I definitely agree that the teams shouldn't have duplicate classes, Battle Spot style.
NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Not that they might not be dead in the water. I just haven't formed a definitive opinion yet. The matchmaking and queue systems will greatly impact their success as well.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Not that they might not be dead in the water. I just haven't formed a definitive opinion yet. The matchmaking and queue systems will greatly impact their success as well.
If there is ANY way to cheese the matchmaking system, so that two teams that know eachother, can fight an unaware team, then I will have to say DOA. If ZOS has given some thought to blind matchmaking and has some way to prevent cheesing the queue, then this has a chance.
I don't know if they need to go so far as to mask names of players in the Arena but I know some prominent players in PvP that refuse to fight other prominent players on opposite faction due to some false sense of professional courtesy.
Imagine 3 teams. Team one has a highly recognizable streamer on the team. Team 2 has a hardcore "elite" player that knows that streams. Team three is nameless pugs.
Do you really think that match is really going to be an unbiased three way fight?
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Not that they might not be dead in the water. I just haven't formed a definitive opinion yet. The matchmaking and queue systems will greatly impact their success as well.
If there is ANY way to cheese the matchmaking system, so that two teams that know eachother, can fight an unaware team, then I will have to say DOA. If ZOS has given some thought to blind matchmaking and has some way to prevent cheesing the queue, then this has a chance.
I don't know if they need to go so far as to mask names of players in the Arena but I know some prominent players in PvP that refuse to fight other prominent players on opposite faction due to some false sense of professional courtesy.
Imagine 3 teams. Team one has a highly recognizable streamer on the team. Team 2 has a hardcore "elite" player that knows that streams. Team three is nameless pugs.
Do you really think that match is really going to be an unbiased three way fight?
Is this fake news like you told me in zone the other night?
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »NightbladeMechanics wrote: »Not that they might not be dead in the water. I just haven't formed a definitive opinion yet. The matchmaking and queue systems will greatly impact their success as well.
If there is ANY way to cheese the matchmaking system, so that two teams that know eachother, can fight an unaware team, then I will have to say DOA. If ZOS has given some thought to blind matchmaking and has some way to prevent cheesing the queue, then this has a chance.
I don't know if they need to go so far as to mask names of players in the Arena but I know some prominent players in PvP that refuse to fight other prominent players on opposite faction due to some false sense of professional courtesy.
Imagine 3 teams. Team one has a highly recognizable streamer on the team. Team 2 has a hardcore "elite" player that knows that streams. Team three is nameless pugs.
Do you really think that match is really going to be an unbiased three way fight?
If you think battlegrounds will fail because there will be groups better than yours... well, that's kinda the whole point. You don't get to bring more numbers, you have to bring better play. Or better tactics. Or better builds. Or better team composition.
come on man, dont turn this into a L2P elitist post. The issue isnt what's "better" or whats not. the issue is that your idea of "better play, better builds" etc is forcing people to emulate what the other groups are running and you end up with very few variety meta cookie cutter builds.
so in Cyrodiil overworld, these "premades" are relegated to "small scale" groups and gankers. you can combat this by running in a larger group (for the most part) in BGs there is no countermeasure.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Warden will suck and people will take to the forums en masse to rage at ZOS that the reason they purchased Morrowind was for the new class, and they want a full refund and all devs fired immediately.
Then Scipio will take to the forums and make fun of all those complaining.
It's a combination of things that will put Warden in a great spot, not to mention they have every good buff in the game plus tools built in for infinite sustain. Don't see how anyone can't see why theyll be over the top.
Stam sorcs class wise don't stand out on paper BUT when you throw everything together plus theorycrafting the class comes out on top. Warden will be no different when it comes out.
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Warden will suck and people will take to the forums en masse to rage at ZOS that the reason they purchased Morrowind was for the new class, and they want a full refund and all devs fired immediately.
Then Scipio will take to the forums and make fun of all those complaining.
It's a combination of things that will put Warden in a great spot, not to mention they have every good buff in the game plus tools built in for infinite sustain. Don't see how anyone can't see why theyll be over the top.
Stam sorcs class wise don't stand out on paper BUT when you throw everything together plus theorycrafting the class comes out on top. Warden will be no different when it comes out.
Based upon what we've seen I'm left thinking a few things.
Where's the burst? Infinite sustaining buff machine sounds OP and all, but you've gotta get kills.
Where's the reliable CC? Its not there
I'm just saying, regardless of what you think you see in the warden skill line, its got weaknesses. Mag warden seems to be lacking good burst and has no useful offensive ult or reliable CC. Its gonna be like 1.6 magplar, with more group utility and less damage, but now there's no proxy det to supplement your burst against 1 or 2 people.
paulsimonps wrote: »Everyone keeps using the terms Cancer and cheese. Could someone give me good definition on those to terms in regards to this context? As objective as possible would be best, but I know a lot of it is subjective as well, but try. Cause at this point, everything is cheese and cancer for some people.
paulsimonps wrote: »Everyone keeps using the terms Cancer and cheese. Could someone give me good definition on those to terms in regards to this context? As objective as possible would be best, but I know a lot of it is subjective as well, but try. Cause at this point, everything is cheese and cancer for some people.
Cancer is something that you don't want your doctor to say or it is part of the zodiac in the heavens. Here, not in Tamriel. Cheese is something you put inside a grilled sandwich or even better, you bake some Brie on a plate with a little pesto and olive oil. throw in some flat bread and some roasted almonds and who need supper?
paulsimonps wrote: »Everyone keeps using the terms Cancer and cheese. Could someone give me good definition on those to terms in regards to this context? As objective as possible would be best, but I know a lot of it is subjective as well, but try. Cause at this point, everything is cheese and cancer for some people.
Cancer is something that you don't want your doctor to say or it is part of the zodiac in the heavens. Here, not in Tamriel. Cheese is something you put inside a grilled sandwich or even better, you bake some Brie on a plate with a little pesto and olive oil. throw in some flat bread and some roasted almonds and who need supper?