Console text chat discussion
Update 46 is now available for testing on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/676209
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Laranoye✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....1 -
urkonse✭✭✭today i tried "Group finder" tool to join dungeons.
Reason: No text chat.
What happened: It put me to random group in somewhere far away from single dungeon.Lightning guild is recruiting active players at any level & skill ( PS4 , EU)0 -
BigMac_Smiley✭✭✭http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/199830/console-should-text-chat-be-implemented-with-the-ic-patch#latest
Someone made a poll take a look and vote before ZOS closes there thread.0 -
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✭Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »
That is because we (most of us) feel adding back in text chat would be a benefit to the game as a whole, by making the in game community stronger, more "global". Yes additional UI enhancements would be nice, but if there isnt a strong community in game people are not going to stick around for long so its kinda moot.
Trust me I'll be with you asking for alot of the UI/QoL improvements I feel this game needs, but not until they put after they put back in text chat, till then what's the point?
The thing that some of you are not getting is that the community will be split even more then it is now.Also as all NMO players know if you don't have the casual on your side and bring no players in the game will die no matter how many Hardcore fans you have.If The casual are not on board then what's the point it will just split us up more you can not have a strong community if it's factured.That's why ZOS create a App the Casual player would more then likely download a app then use the text box especially of it needs to be enabled first not probably won't even know it been implemented.
If we have the UI/Qol added sooner then later the casual will want to stay and play since the game is made easier for them to enjoy and play.
Side note:I have ppl played MMO for Years like am sure most of you here have as well while I know text chat is something fundamental to an MMO on PC it's different on Consoles the Casual I. My opinion will not use it and will more then likely still use voice chat.I am not disagreeing with you all just to disagree but I honestly don't think that they should implement something that will only be used by a few.If you disagree with me that's is everyone's right but this is my opinion on the matter.0 -
VoidBlue✭✭✭✭text chat, its just easier on everyone.
dont have to repeat yourself because someone started talking while you were, they can just reread it.
dont have to talk over others and hope people heard you, they can just read it.
dont have to worry about people not understanding you because of your accent or speech problems, they can just read it.
dont have to travel to a town to hope people have voice chat enabled, you can stay at the group delve and zone chat.
dont have to listen to babies crying, dogs barking, tons of insane people talking at once, you can just look at the chat box and read what you want.
dont have to scream over mic that you are selling this or are haggling a price, you can just PM them in text chat.
what a wonderful time everyone would have not having to hear people voice chat it up and have to turn off your voice chat because you dont want to hear that loud crying baby, or because these 3 guys are yelling at each other about something stupid. voice chat is pointless now because you turned it off because of these reasons and you wont be able to hear if someone is looking for group or wanting to trade now anyways.
text chat, its what keeps the game and community together.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Kleptobrainiac wrote: »I'm new to this game but am a long time mmo player and just wanted to jump in & say that personally I'm really enjoying the minimal UI & lack of text chat. This game really has a distinct feel that sets it apart in a good way.
Kudos to the Devs.
My first post!!!
Cheers!
I love the ui as well. Minimal and easy its just awesome in my opinion. I run it minimal even in PvP.
Thanks for the post!
I think you deserve a fishy stick!
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭
Their already people being social able I hear the same thing I would probably have to read in text chat their players talking all the time.Also the only reason I used if was respond to the OP was to be sarcastic he more then likely will find a Guild and group to play with just because you can't doesn't mean he won't everyone Experience is different.People tall all the time and not all of it is bad OK here a example from a hour ago some of you might consider it spam but I consider it hurt warming and something you wouldn't get from text chat.
So I was at a crafting stationed in Waryrest X1 and this player had his mic on and out of no where his father just came and yelling at him and said every cursed word in the boom.Afterwards the player wasn't crying but he was down you can tell from his voice and the people around the crafting station started telling him its OK it be alright and out of no where this man he sounded around 40 started talking to him and he just told him his life story and that when he was young his father was the same way and he told him how he got through it.That thing was beautifully and not one person said anything about it and the kid thanked him.He could have just saved that boys life right their. That's something you would never get from Just a text box.
My example isn't a argument for not adding it but to show you guys not all of it is spam and people playing music.Their are actual conversation and bonds being forged.So please don't say all of it is spam some of it is real and have more players being social then you might think.
My experiences have been more similar to this one.
I really like the console community and I feel like some people are trying to have a bad time.
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Laranoye✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
I love the ui as well. Minimal and easy its just awesome in my opinion. I run it minimal even in PvP.
Thanks for the post!
I think you deserve a fishy stick!
I'm sorry but I don't see how lack of text chat gives it a really distinct feel and in a good way?
Yeah a Distinctly lonely feeling lol.
Could someone explain how VOIP is better than text chat in all circumstances?
The kids screaming,
The music,
the random chat, combined with multiple people talking at once,
TV's really load,
Having to invite people to voice chat via respective consoles social menu..,
So your argument will be if you don like all that... then leave the channel?!?! What then have no SOCIAL at all? OH NO!
This is just a glorified single player game at present,
With a pinch of 12 year old wanting to bang my mum...
Yeah so immersive...
Don't get me wrong I love the game and would play it until the cows come home.... If they add text chat..
It just doesn't feel immersive enough for me to continue playing.
And i'd rather not continue on PC as I want it for console, And i wont be able to transfer the same character back over to the console now..
I'd rather play dedicated single player games like Arkhum Knight.
At the moment this is going down the route of Destiny.... And I wouldn't like to see it like that..4 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭
A second screen option is a non-option
Whoa. Hold up.
Second screen is clearly the middle ground solution and likely what zos was intending.
In no way did the poster claim to be dogmatically opposed to text chat, just a certain form of text chat.
I and many others agree that second screen is the BEST choice.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭DeanWinchester88 wrote: »For those wanting an ESO app, make your own thread. Like @Ace-2112 said, this is about in game text chat. That nonsense has no place here.
A second screen experience is such a great and perfect solution to the debate that some people want it excluded from the conversation.
That just proves it is the best and most likely option. Companion apps are actually very common on console games and are sometimes really awesome.
Bf Commander mode ftw!0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL i'm done. wow just wow. you really have no clue what you're talking about.
Next up we should charge people real money for Trading in the game, if they want to so badly, they'll pay for it.
That's how business works. You want this business to work right?0 -
Dahkoht✭✭✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
Whoa. Hold up.
Second screen is clearly the middle ground solution and likely what zos was intending.
In no way did the poster claim to be dogmatically opposed to text chat, just a certain form of text chat.
I and many others agree that second screen is the BEST choice.
Amusing how you pull out of your ass what Zenimax was intending.
They intended to have text chat all the way up to a couple months before it launched.
And here's where the few of you who have been saying using a keyboard or typing in text on the game is too hard argument goes into stupid land , at the same time you say that , you imply typing on a small phone or ipad is ok and good middle ground.
None of you can even follow your own arguments , as they are about as illogical as it gets.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭DeanWinchester88 wrote: »For those wanting an ESO app, make your own thread. Like @Ace-2112 said, this is about in game text chat. That nonsense has no place here.
Actually, I had started such a thread and parts of it got moved into this one, lol.
I think someone agrees that the second screen solution is the solution;)0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭
There are already sites for both LFG and Trading. However since they are not directly tied to the game, they reach a very limited scope. Text chat is zone based it reaches everyone in the area online at that time.
It seems you are saying that as long as the app has a link to a dedicated trade site, when everyone starts using the app for text chat , more traffic will hit the sites suggested by the app. Thus eliminating the need for a chat box on console.
The app would expand the trade sites scope and help interested parties to find it.0 -
Laranoye✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
My experiences have been more similar to this one.
I really like the console community and I feel like some people are trying to have a bad time.
Whilst i agree and disagree, Yes VIOP is great for the odd occasion this happens, Its still not great for a lot of things.
VOIP with text chat would be an awesome combination on console.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭
Yeah, it kinda does.
While the forums might only represent a minority in number of players, it doesn't there by default represent the minority opinion.
Compare the number of unique posters who want text chat added and felt strongly enough to visit the forums and ask for it.
Now compare that number to the rest of the people happily playing the game without complaint. Its never bothered them that there was no text chat and they have not felt the same inspiration that many here felt. Otherwise they would be here.
I can assume the majority agrees because if the majority wanted text, the majority would have done what many unhappy with the game have done and post in this thread.
Logic suggests that many here saw there was no text and despite being forewarned that there would be no text, purchased this version of the product and then took to the forums to campaign for the change.
Why aren't there more people here agreeing with you?
Because they aren't coming, won't bother with text chat and would be furious if they knew a splinter group of forum posters were trying to slow down development of actual dlc or patches or anything they could be doing to make new content with a sprawling demand post.
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Duragon_Darko✭✭✭Someone told me there already is an app for searching for groups and such. True? Could use that until text chat, no? I'm all for text chat, but would like to enjoy the game now that I'm close to vet. Please, if anyone can confirm, I would appreciate it..... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.1 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
LOL are you serious? Didn't realize Tamriel was like America.
No he means the poll should only include the groups involved.
Its too easy for PC players to look at no text chat on console and go 'oh of course text chat, I love my keyboard'. And not really get that console is a tighter faster more head set and controller friendly.
Console players should not have their game experience dictated by people who don't even play on console.
How many people in this thread have admitted they are PC players but 'uh yeah they need text chat'.
I hope that helps to clarify his very easy to understand point.2 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Duragon_Darko wrote: »Someone told me there already is an app for searching for groups and such. True? Could use that until text chat, no? I'm all for text chat, but would like to enjoy the game now that I'm close to vet. Please, if anyone can confirm, I would appreciate it.
I thought that was a troll, suggestion post and probably fake.
But yeah if there's s third party app we can use for text chat and trading, I guess I would just buy and use that.0 -
Duragon_Darko✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
I thought that was a troll, suggestion post and probably fake.
But yeah if there's s third party app we can use for text chat and trading, I guess I would just buy and use that.
Hes actually telling me it's not an app, it's a website?!? He's on vacation in Florida, don't know if he's drank too much already. I've been looking but haven't found anything yet..... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.0 -
Ace_of_Destiny✭✭✭✭✭Duragon_Darko wrote: »
Hes actually telling me it's not an app, it's a website?!? He's on vacation in Florida, don't know if he's drank too much already. I've been looking but haven't found anything yet.
Maybe if you google: ESO LFG
A couple showed up last time I did that.
Good Luck, Mate!
EQUALIZE ALL PLATFORMS!
IF ONE HAS IT...ALL SHOULD HAVE IT!!
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I don't care what platform it is on...an MMORPG without Text Chat is NOT an MMORPG!0 -
Zensonar✭✭✭
What do you even base this kind of conjecture on? Do you just pull it out of the air? There is no factual basis for it and no effort from you to actually show it to be the case.mrskinskull wrote: »Why aren't there more people here agreeing with you?
Because they aren't coming, won't bother with text chat and would be furious if they knew a splinter group of forum posters were trying to slow down development of actual dlc or patches or anything they could be doing to make new content with a sprawling demand post.
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Duragon_Darko✭✭✭Don't know if this is what he meant. I'll keep searching. @ZOS, dudes, this is a very weak alternative to text chat. You guys really need to step it up.
www.esotulfg.com .... Link won't paste, wtf..... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.1 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭What do you even base this kind of conjecture on? Do you just pull it out of the air? There is no factual basis for it and no effort from you to actually show it to be the case.
Except empirical evidence, and logical deduction, lol.
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Mighty_oakk✭✭✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
It seems you are saying that as long as the app has a link to a dedicated trade site, when everyone starts using the app for text chat , more traffic will hit the sites suggested by the app. Thus eliminating the need for a chat box on console.
The app would expand the trade sites scope and help interested parties to find it.
If people Wanted to use their phones for lfg and trade they would now. All kins of group finder and trade boards noone uses2 -
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✭Duragon_Darko wrote: »
Hes actually telling me it's not an app, it's a website?!? He's on vacation in Florida, don't know if he's drank too much already. I've been looking but haven't found anything yet.
I believe the website is ESOLFG .com but am not 100% sure.What platform are you on if X1 a group of Guildies are about to run it you can join them.0 -
Ace_of_Destiny✭✭✭✭✭What do you even base this kind of conjecture on? Do you just pull it out of the air? There is no factual basis for it and no effort from you to actually show it to be the case.
This is the same guy that put me on his ignore list because I said I reported a player ingame.
A player which was blaring music, and swearing at a 13 year old kid who asked him to turn it down.
And, this "skinjob" even had to post it on my "wall" that he ignored me, like I give a rat's furry behind what he does.
I have rarely ever put anybody on an ignore list, but I am thinking of adding him to mine...just to make this thread about 1/3 shorter!
EQUALIZE ALL PLATFORMS!
IF ONE HAS IT...ALL SHOULD HAVE IT!!
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I don't care what platform it is on...an MMORPG without Text Chat is NOT an MMORPG!1 -
Is there a good reason we can't have both options? Both are useful tools when used at the right time.2
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There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 26, 2015 8:27PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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