Console text chat discussion

BigMac_Smiley

Let me put out some facts about how text chat currently works on PC:

1) It can be minimized, yes it still leaves a small rectangular object on the screen

2)You can create different tabs and each tab can contain customized permissions on what will show up:
-Example: Tab 1) All channels show up in the feed
2) All Guilds only
3) Group, say, personal messages only
4) my favorite guild only
5) personal messages only
- So if you are really worried about spammers or people trolling you, you can make it so you only receive messages from your guild, or your group, or personal messages only

3)Ignoring people is easy. Just select there persons name and hit ignore. You will no longer receive messages from that person. So if you are afraid that there will be know way to stop trolls, that is not the case. takes as much work to mute someone, if not less.

These are some things I know people have concerns about, but this is how it is on PC, while it might not be exactly the same if it came to console you could expect something close.

Daishin15

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

Zensonar

mrskinskull wrote: »

Except empirical evidence, and logical deduction, lol.

Sherlocked!

Wait... what? There is no empirical evidence of what people's unspoken thoughts are on this matter. What are you even talking about?

Listen, you are not the appointed spokesperson for people who have yet to chime in on this subject. You know as much about their opinion as my magic 8 ball does. The sooner you get to grips with that the sooner you'll stop making a fool of yourself.

NewBlacksmurf

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Your last statement and argument goes out the window with DCUO, FFXIV. Hell, even FFXI on PS2 in 2002 had text chat. Consoles need text chat for communication if you want it to be an MMO. Agreed PC has a lot more details and should have a lot more options. But text chat from an MMO is ridiculous, and you sir are one of those tired PC players that instead of listening to reason, ate trying to convince everyone to jump to PC, when in today's world, PC is not the future, and everyone knows it.

Actually it doesn't go out the window.
Those games do not function and work like this does.
This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.

Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago

Zensonar

Ace-2112 wrote: »

I have rarely ever put anybody on an ignore list, but I am thinking of adding him to mine...just to make this thread about 1/3 shorter!

Nothing of value would be lost.

Duragon_Darko

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

Both DCUO and FFXI were PC games that everything on console. In fact, FFXI was cross server, both console, PS or Xbox and PC could play on the same servers. So yea, we can have with PC has. We had text in beta. So, your point goes moot real fast.

NewBlacksmurf

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Hmm....you know, I've never really had to deal with that stuff when I was playing DUCO.

Well...there was that time I went to the USPS server and watched the Trade chat before restart. After that, I never went to that channel again.


So....over 100 notifications about this thread....and nothing from ZOS

Just the same folk repeating the same arguments for and against cars text chat.

Seriously, all ZOS needs to do is come here say "Text chat is never going to happen" or "We're currently looking at options", and then lock the thread.

If they flat out state (on these forums) that it's not going to happen I'll keep playing and evaluate my options as I get closer to really needing to group up for content.

I'm not sure if we've interacted before but thanks for the respectful comments.

During prior ESO Live episodes this was addressed.
It's not being considered or looked at at this time.
They are looking at adding more pre-text emotes.

They've said never say never but also suggested it's not on the table

BigMac_Smiley

Daishin15 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.

Laranoye

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)

So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.

So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.

Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.

bareheiny

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Hmm....you know, I've never really had to deal with that stuff when I was playing DUCO.

Well...there was that time I went to the USPS server and watched the Trade chat before restart. After that, I never went to that channel again.


So....over 100 notifications about this thread....and nothing from ZOS

Just the same folk repeating the same arguments for and against cars text chat.

Seriously, all ZOS needs to do is come here say "Text chat is never going to happen" or "We're currently looking at options", and then lock the thread.

If they flat out state (on these forums) that it's not going to happen I'll keep playing and evaluate my options as I get closer to really needing to group up for content.

I'm not sure if we've interacted before but thanks for the respectful comments.

During prior ESO Live episodes this was addressed.
It's not being considered or looked at at this time.
They are looking at adding more pre-text emotes.

They've said never say never but also suggested it's not on the table

Probably not, I haven't been on the forums over the weekend....hence the comment about the 100+ notifications.

I jumped to ESO following years of playing DCUO (with a very brief flirtation with FF:ARR) - so I fully expected text chat - well, until I read it wasn't being included. After becoming disillusioned with DCUO (and don't get me started on their forums), I gave ESO a try.

And am loving it...aside from a few issues that irritate me at various levels. Top of the list of irritations is the lack of text chat....I really miss it. I'm not much of a mic user for various reasons, and honestly, the DCUO EUPS servers were such a mix of languages that text was easier (can't exactly Google Translate voice communication).

I miss that text chat box


But at the end of the day, circular arguments eventually devolve into petty name calling and trolling....which very rarely yields anything useful.

NewBlacksmurf

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

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OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

Both DCUO and FFXI were PC games that everything on console. In fact, FFXI was cross server, both console, PS or Xbox and PC could play on the same servers. So yea, we can have with PC has. We had text in beta. So, your point goes moot real fast.

Duplicate post....maybe you and others are throwing out the same argument

Those games do not play like this and let's be honest...IF those are done the way you like...why are you here?

I think it's because this game in your eyes is better or at least not a game you've grown bored of playing.
The gameplay does differ and I think we can all agree on that and not argue it.

What works for one game by a developers design doesn't work for another just because the genre is the same or even similar.

Let's do this...

For the sake of the topic progressing.

Please share what changes to the controller buttons would allow this addition of text chat without reducing the current buttons used during gameplay.

Also please share how the text chat linking, settings, minimize and resize as well as turning it on and off during gameplay would work without interrupting what exists.

Finally please outline how these players will communicate and be notified the other is trying to communicate without adding or cluttering the current UI in these scenarios:
Player 1 on VC but disabled TC
Player 2 off VC and off TC
Player 3 off VC but on TC
Player 4 deaf and on/off VC but on TV
Player 5 deaf and off TC and VC
Player 6 in party chat off/on VC but off TC
Player 7 who wants to use TC over VC but who has no more USB slots
*How does Zenimax build in a way to block text chat by player as PS4 and Xbox1 don't allow such without blocking all communication from the player (today you can mute voice only)

NewBlacksmurf

Repeating for others....

Let's do this...

For the sake of the topic progressing.

Please share what changes to the controller buttons would allow this addition of text chat without reducing the current buttons used during gameplay.

Also please share how the text chat linking, settings, minimize and resize as well as turning it on and off during gameplay would work without interrupting what exists.

Finally please outline how these players will communicate and be notified the other is trying to communicate without adding or cluttering the current UI in these scenarios:
Player 1 on VC but disabled TC
Player 2 off VC and off TC
Player 3 off VC but on TC
Player 4 deaf and on/off VC but on TV
Player 5 deaf and off TC and VC
Player 6 in party chat off/on VC but off TC
Player 7 who wants to use TC over VC but who has no more USB slots
*How does Zenimax build in a way to block text chat by player as PS4 and Xbox1 don't allow such without blocking all communication from the player (today you can mute voice only)

NewBlacksmurf

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)

So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.

So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.

Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.

My good sir...actually per the console devs that we were introduced to on ESO Live your comment is inaccurate.
As stated by ZOS for the console their targeted customers are the console gamers. Not the MMO gamers.

The gamer who will use a controller, sit on a couch 10-20 feet away and play with a headset who will not have a keyboard handy. All with Minimal elements on the screen to look like TES rather than a MMo

That's who this version is for according to them
(My comment isn't verbatim but it's the gist of what the actually said when addressing why text chat was removed/scrapped during early console development )

NewBlacksmurf

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.

The voice thing is suppose to split the community by platform
If not then why even make the game on console with different servers for each platform.

That's by design...and based on supporting what comes with each platform to operate. The basics are covered on all three platforms

BigMac_Smiley

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Repeating for others....

Let's do this...

For the sake of the topic progressing.

Please share what changes to the controller buttons would allow this addition of text chat without reducing the current buttons used during gameplay.

Also please share how the text chat linking, settings, minimize and resize as well as turning it on and off during gameplay would work without interrupting what exists.

Finally please outline how these players will communicate and be notified the other is trying to communicate without adding or cluttering the current UI in these scenarios:
Player 1 on VC but disabled TC
Player 2 off VC and off TC
Player 3 off VC but on TC
Player 4 deaf and on/off VC but on TV
Player 5 deaf and off TC and VC
Player 6 in party chat off/on VC but off TC
Player 7 who wants to use TC over VC but who has no more USB slots
*How does Zenimax build in a way to block text chat by player as PS4 and Xbox1 don't allow such without blocking all communication from the player (today you can mute voice only)

This is to easy.
1) Right now if a player is not in your voice channel with them and you want to get a hold of them you send them and Xbox live or PSN message. So your fear of people being separated has a simple fix. People are already separated because of voice chat. For the most part you are going to be playing with the same community you are know and the will all use the same form. Don't know why you have this big fear of everything falling apart.
2) As far as blocking people I don't know the how it works but on PC you just select there name and hit ignore, and I don't see why they could not do this the same way.

Jaronking

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.

What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.

Daishin15

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)

So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.

So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.

Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.

My good sir...actually per the console devs that we were introduced to on ESO Live your comment is inaccurate.
As stated by ZOS for the console their targeted customers are the console gamers. Not the MMO gamers.

The gamer who will use a controller, sit on a couch 10-20 feet away and play with a headset who will not have a keyboard handy. All with Minimal elements on the screen to look like TES rather than a MMo

That's who this version is for according to them
(My comment isn't verbatim but it's the gist of what the actually said when addressing why text chat was removed/scrapped
during early console development )

Legit shots fired LOL at PC gamers porting to console.

Neirymn

Why adding pre-text emotes if there was no need of an other way to communicate than voice chat only ? After all, those emotes are text based not voiced based. If there were absolutly no need for a text way to chat, ZOS would'nt have added them, right ?

In every MMO, some players want to use voice chat, some want to use text chat, some want to use both, some just don't want to chat at all. We're all different.

Voice chat only wipes out those who want or need to use text chat, that's less customers imo.

BigMac_Smiley

Jaronking wrote: »

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.

What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.

We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.

bareheiny

Jaronking wrote: »

What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.

How so?

Other console MMOs have voice and text with no issues. The community isn't split. Well...not along voice / text lines anyway.

Currently you'd probably find about two groups of people in ESO: those who use voice and those who don't (i.e. they leave area channels as soon as they log in). I'm mostly in the latter camp myself.

I ran a dungeon (low level) the other day - I had my mic on, but muted.....nobody said anything! Not a damn thing. It did take an hour or so for the queue to pop....a LFG channel would've probably solved that issue before it even happened.

VoidBlue

text chat will bring everyone closer. there will actually be communication and grouping!

text chat will make this game pure gold, right now its fools gold.

Jaronking

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.

What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.

We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.

I agree we see it differently the biggest problem in my eyes that will split the community is that the casual player is just playing because they played skyrim will not use it and will sooner or later leave because Their no community because of the split.I say we build up the community with what we have until the add it if they ever add it as it is now we are not helping the community by separating ourselves from it we are.weakening it.

Laranoye

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)

So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.

So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.

Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.

My good sir...actually per the console devs that we were introduced to on ESO Live your comment is inaccurate.
As stated by ZOS for the console their targeted customers are the console gamers. Not the MMO gamers.

The gamer who will use a controller, sit on a couch 10-20 feet away and play with a headset who will not have a keyboard handy. All with Minimal elements on the screen to look like TES rather than a MMo

That's who this version is for according to them
(My comment isn't verbatim but it's the gist of what the actually said when addressing why text chat was removed/scrapped during early console development )

No, the majority of player that are going to play this will be MMO players.. Most avid console gamers will not even touch it, they like their CoD or GTA V too much... I have many friends on console who dislike this type of game and they wont pick it up..
So its aimed at MMO players on a console..

And I have a small wireless keyboard handy for FF ARR..

My motto don't fix what aint broke.... They are trying to fix an MMORPG on console with no text chat.. the bread and butter of MMORPG's

Your continuing arguments leads me further to believe you have barely played any other MMO and are probably a console junky, I could be wrong! But if I am, I wonder... Why are you so against it..
( I know you've pointed out reason against, but they are the same for voice...)

Laranoye

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OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.

What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.

We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.

I agree we see it differently the biggest problem in my eyes that will split the community is that the casual player is just playing because they played skyrim will not use it and will sooner or later leave because Their no community because of the split.I say we build up the community with what we have until the add it if they ever add it as it is now we are not helping the community by separating ourselves from it we are.weakening it.

Casuals will leave in VR levels I guarantee it.. So its irrelevant. The problems with group finder and communication will get them at end game..

VoidBlue

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)

So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.

So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.

Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.

My good sir...actually per the console devs that we were introduced to on ESO Live your comment is inaccurate.
As stated by ZOS for the console their targeted customers are the console gamers. Not the MMO gamers.

The gamer who will use a controller, sit on a couch 10-20 feet away and play with a headset who will not have a keyboard handy. All with Minimal elements on the screen to look like TES rather than a MMo

That's who this version is for according to them
(My comment isn't verbatim but it's the gist of what the actually said when addressing why text chat was removed/scrapped during early console development )

No, the majority of player that are going to play this will be MMO players.. Most avid console gamers will not even touch it, they like their CoD or GTA V too much... I have many friends on console who dislike this type of game and they wont pick it up..
So its aimed at MMO players on a console..

And I have a small wireless keyboard handy for FF ARR..

My motto don't fix what aint broke.... They are trying to fix an MMORPG on console with no text chat.. the bread and butter of MMORPG's

Your continuing arguments leads me further to believe you have barely played any other MMO and are probably a console junky, I could be wrong! But if I am, I wonder... Why are you so against it..
( I know you've pointed out reason against, but they are the same for voice...)

idk what you two are on about but I agree. when you think MMO you think grouping up, and playing together. if 50% of the playerbase has no way to communicate than how can it be a MMO.

text chat is needed! give us text chat!

alexp0nential

Yeah, I seriously don't understand why text chat isn't a feature from day 1. It's in every MMO. It makes the game more fun as well as tremendously easier to interact with other players. If this is a "living world" you should be able to say something to someone in town, etc.

NewBlacksmurf

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Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)

So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.

So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.

Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.

My good sir...actually per the console devs that we were introduced to on ESO Live your comment is inaccurate.
As stated by ZOS for the console their targeted customers are the console gamers. Not the MMO gamers.

The gamer who will use a controller, sit on a couch 10-20 feet away and play with a headset who will not have a keyboard handy. All with Minimal elements on the screen to look like TES rather than a MMo

That's who this version is for according to them
(My comment isn't verbatim but it's the gist of what the actually said when addressing why text chat was removed/scrapped during early console development )

No, the majority of player that are going to play this will be MMO players.. Most avid console gamers will not even touch it, they like their CoD or GTA V too much... I have many friends on console who dislike this type of game and they wont pick it up..
So its aimed at MMO players on a console..

And I have a small wireless keyboard handy for FF ARR..

My motto don't fix what aint broke.... They are trying to fix an MMORPG on console with no text chat.. the bread and butter of MMORPG's

Your continuing arguments leads me further to believe you have barely played any other MMO and are probably a console junky, I could be wrong! But if I am, I wonder... Why are you so against it..
( I know you've pointed out reason against, but they are the same for voice...)

OK. See this is your issue.
You can only see things based on your assumptions and seemingly narrow point of view. Then somehow you're attacking my comments saying I'm narrow minded...well...

As you continue to comment and throw comments at me to either feel that you're "winning" an argument or to further argue your opinions towards me...realize our goal should be to hash out ideas for the community in support or opposition of this thread. You're spending a lot of effort towards the wrong audience. I am playing the game that I like the way I like it as is. You desire changes...think about that...

I won't even address your assumptions entirely but I will give you a snap shot of me.
I've been working in gaming since 2002 to current in different roles and fashions.
More so now I'm more of just a gamer than 3 years prior.

As far as MMO experiences...well I began in 1997-1998 as far as playing regularly up until today non-stop via many different games not limited to MMORPGs.

You're holding tight onto your idea is how Zenimax should do things.
Well...they as of right now... disagree. It helps to start there and also pull into your view their overall objective which is not to create a traditional MMORPG

What you have and how you choose to play is really of no interest to Zenimax. Actually how any of us play in this thread is of little interest to Zenimax.

Zenimax as they've shared are basing their development off "their" targeted customers. Anything extra is great but regarding console...they have figured out what works for them.

See understand that even the decision to remove the required sub and add the crown store, change to a UI for console and build voice chat and controller support is all in the decisions and sacrifices they've chosen for their targeted customers.

So what one idea could be for you is to align your interests and play styles with the games and platforms that meet you

Another is constructively discuss with like minded people in this thread on how to come up with feasible suggestions that Zenimax would be interested in based on the outline they've provided for this game.

Lastly...stop wasting time quoting and replying to those in this thread that disagree with you.

Read it...take what applies...think on it and understand other players perspectives....and move on.
OR

We can continue to go back n forth but that's not getting this added..


The choice is yours as well as all others going back n forth with me

Hiero_Glyph

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

Both DCUO and FFXI were PC games that everything on console. In fact, FFXI was cross server, both console, PS or Xbox and PC could play on the same servers. So yea, we can have with PC has. We had text in beta. So, your point goes moot real fast.

Duplicate post....maybe you and others are throwing out the same argument

Those games do not play like this and let's be honest...IF those are done the way you like...why are you here?

I think it's because this game in your eyes is better or at least not a game you've grown bored of playing.
The gameplay does differ and I think we can all agree on that and not argue it.

What works for one game by a developers design doesn't work for another just because the genre is the same or even similar.

Let's do this...

For the sake of the topic progressing.

Please share what changes to the controller buttons would allow this addition of text chat without reducing the current buttons used during gameplay.

Also please share how the text chat linking, settings, minimize and resize as well as turning it on and off during gameplay would work without interrupting what exists.

Finally please outline how these players will communicate and be notified the other is trying to communicate without adding or cluttering the current UI in these scenarios:
Player 1 on VC but disabled TC
Player 2 off VC and off TC
Player 3 off VC but on TC
Player 4 deaf and on/off VC but on TV
Player 5 deaf and off TC and VC
Player 6 in party chat off/on VC but off TC
Player 7 who wants to use TC over VC but who has no more USB slots
*How does Zenimax build in a way to block text chat by player as PS4 and Xbox1 don't allow such without blocking all communication from the player (today you can mute voice only)

Let's be honest though, not every player wants to communicate with everyone. The first thing I do when launching ESO is to start a private party so I dont constantly get tossed back into area chat when fast traveling. I know several other players that only use group or guild chat. Even with only voice chat players purposely segregate themselves to avoid open communication. Text chat will only improve how players communicate since you don't have to talk over others to communicate. Why would anyone want to have a conversation with 8 strangers without first filtering the topic?

EDIT: As for how to do it just copy Warframe.

NewBlacksmurf

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OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....


Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.

If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.

This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.

Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it

You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC

Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.

See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.

Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.

Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.

I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.

See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.

This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.

Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..

The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.

Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.

I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.

First thanks for being amicable...

Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.

Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.

I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.

Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa

Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.


It's how it is and how it will always be.

Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

Both DCUO and FFXI were PC games that everything on console. In fact, FFXI was cross server, both console, PS or Xbox and PC could play on the same servers. So yea, we can have with PC has. We had text in beta. So, your point goes moot real fast.

Duplicate post....maybe you and others are throwing out the same argument

Those games do not play like this and let's be honest...IF those are done the way you like...why are you here?

I think it's because this game in your eyes is better or at least not a game you've grown bored of playing.
The gameplay does differ and I think we can all agree on that and not argue it.

What works for one game by a developers design doesn't work for another just because the genre is the same or even similar.

Let's do this...

For the sake of the topic progressing.

Please share what changes to the controller buttons would allow this addition of text chat without reducing the current buttons used during gameplay.

Also please share how the text chat linking, settings, minimize and resize as well as turning it on and off during gameplay would work without interrupting what exists.

Finally please outline how these players will communicate and be notified the other is trying to communicate without adding or cluttering the current UI in these scenarios:
Player 1 on VC but disabled TC
Player 2 off VC and off TC
Player 3 off VC but on TC
Player 4 deaf and on/off VC but on TV
Player 5 deaf and off TC and VC
Player 6 in party chat off/on VC but off TC
Player 7 who wants to use TC over VC but who has no more USB slots
*How does Zenimax build in a way to block text chat by player as PS4 and Xbox1 don't allow such without blocking all communication from the player (today you can mute voice only)

Let's be honest though, not every player wants to communicate with everyone. The first thing I do when launching ESO is to start a private party so I dont constantly get tossed back into area chat when fast traveling. I know several other players that only use group or guild chat. Even with only voice chat players purposely segregate themselves to avoid open communication. Text chat will only improve how players communicate since you don't have to talk over others to communicate. Why would anyone want to have a conversation with 8 strangers without first filtering the topic?

I agree there but from a development standpoint you would need to develop a solve for each and all scenarios.
It's kinda how development should look at rolling out additions and implementations.

Hopefully to add something valuable rather than create additional or new issues.

fallensbane_ESO

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You don't understand game designing at all do you.You Can't just copy and paste a chat box into the console UI and its there. Their so much the Game designers have to do just to implement a text box and make sure its works or all of you will make another 62 page thread complaining that the text chat that we been asking for a month doesn't even work.

Text chat is already in there, it's just not enabled. This entire statement is wrong.

Where is it because I play it everyday and I haven't seen a text box.

I bolded a part of his quote. Let's read that again shall we?

OK then tell me how to enable it good sir?

Eurgh... ZENIMAX disabled it!

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Mighty_oakk wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;

"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."

So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed

I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.

So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.

Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man

Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic

You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.

What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?

AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!

I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.


There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry

So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.

the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.

What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?

Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.

A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.

This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.

People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.

You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.

Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...

How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.

I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.

From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.

There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...

So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...

Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.

I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.

You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)

Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?

People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..

quoted from first site googled....

""CONS

No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.

Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.

As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""

GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....

I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.

Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.

I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.

Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.

Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.

LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.

I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.

What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.

I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from

Im sure text would be optional...

Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...

Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.

When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.

You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.

What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.

Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.


This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design

Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems

Um you can already use a USB keyboard on XBOX One to type, I use it on the occasions I pop into Neverwinter. All you need to do is make it so that when you hit the / key on the board it accesses the chat window. Escape key escape to escape from it. OTHER mmo's of lower quality have grasped this concept already. You don't need any mouse use whatsoever.

Not to mention at least on the Microsoft front they are planning on adding support for USB mouse support soon as well.