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Console text chat discussion
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭fallensbane_ESO wrote: »
Um you can already use a USB keyboard on XBOX One to type, I use it on the occasions I pop into Neverwinter. All you need to do is make it so that when you hit the / key on the board it accesses the chat window. Escape key escape to escape from it. OTHER mmo's of lower quality have grasped this concept already. You don't need any mouse use whatsoever.
Not to mention at least on the Microsoft front they are planning on adding support for USB mouse support soon as well.
mmm that be nice. id gladly be happy having to press / or even ` to pop up chat text and type what i want and than press esc to close text chat when im done typing.1 -
BigMac_Smiley✭✭✭Stick to your own words. Look at your own self before you began telling others how to act.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Lastly...stop wasting time quoting and replying to those in this thread that disagree with you.
Read it...take what applies...think on it and understand other players perspectives....and move on.
OR
We can continue to go back n forth but that's not getting this added..
The choice is yours as well as all others going back n forth with me
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Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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I agree we see it differently the biggest problem in my eyes that will split the community is that the casual player is just playing because they played skyrim will not use it and will sooner or later leave because Their no community because of the split.I say we build up the community with what we have until the add it if they ever add it as it is now we are not helping the community by separating ourselves from it we are.weakening it.BigMac_Smiley wrote: »BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems
The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.
What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.
Casuals will leave in VR levels I guarantee it.. So its irrelevant. The problems with group finder and communication will get them at end game..
If you every played a MMo before or know about how they work if the casuals leave then the games Die you need the casual to keep playing their the majority of the community of any MMo and.the hardcore are the minority.If they leave the games Die just like any MMO.You know why only 7% ok f PS4 players have completed the main story because most casual players who leave at their own pace.So ok f you want them to leave say goodbye to ESO on consoles because even PC Players need the casuals to keep playing or it's over.1 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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How so?What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
Other console MMOs have voice and text with no issues. The community isn't split. Well...not along voice / text lines anyway.
Currently you'd probably find about two groups of people in ESO: those who use voice and those who don't (i.e. they leave area channels as soon as they log in). I'm mostly in the latter camp myself.
I ran a dungeon (low level) the other day - I had my mic on, but muted.....nobody said anything! Not a damn thing. It did take an hour or so for the queue to pop....a LFG channel would've probably solved that issue before it even happened.
The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.0 -
bareheiny✭✭✭✭✭
I disagree there.
How so?What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
Other console MMOs have voice and text with no issues. The community isn't split. Well...not along voice / text lines anyway.
Currently you'd probably find about two groups of people in ESO: those who use voice and those who don't (i.e. they leave area channels as soon as they log in). I'm mostly in the latter camp myself.
I ran a dungeon (low level) the other day - I had my mic on, but muted.....nobody said anything! Not a damn thing. It did take an hour or so for the queue to pop....a LFG channel would've probably solved that issue before it even happened.
The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.
DCUO (dammit...I swear I'll stop talking about my ex!) introduced census data a while ago - a good three years into the life of the game. What's census data? Well - it makes all your character details (well, most of 'em) available for anybody to view...I can look up your character and see your CR (the end-game level thingy) and skill points. I can tell if you've completed various feats etc. Here's my main.
There was a major split in the community when that went live....but despite my expectations, things settled down and folk got used to it.
I honestly don't see how introducing something as innocuous as text chat would be any worse.
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭
I disagree there.
How so?What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
Other console MMOs have voice and text with no issues. The community isn't split. Well...not along voice / text lines anyway.
Currently you'd probably find about two groups of people in ESO: those who use voice and those who don't (i.e. they leave area channels as soon as they log in). I'm mostly in the latter camp myself.
I ran a dungeon (low level) the other day - I had my mic on, but muted.....nobody said anything! Not a damn thing. It did take an hour or so for the queue to pop....a LFG channel would've probably solved that issue before it even happened.
The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.
DCUO (dammit...I swear I'll stop talking about my ex!) introduced census data a while ago - a good three years into the life of the game. What's census data? Well - it makes all your character details (well, most of 'em) available for anybody to view...I can look up your character and see your CR (the end-game level thingy) and skill points. I can tell if you've completed various feats etc. Here's my main.
There was a major split in the community when that went live....but despite my expectations, things settled down and folk got used to it.
I honestly don't see how introducing something as innocuous as text chat would be any worse.
it wouldnt, it really wouldnt hurt anyone. youd have a box in the lower left corner that was transparent if you didnt have it clicked/highlighted, so you could still see through it and it wont block any of your gameplay. it be pretty much like any other MMO text chat :O zomg!2 -
Duragon_Darko✭✭✭Tired of reading how they can't do text when DCUO and FFXIV are both successful because of it. Tired of hearing how the community will split when all those games have are strong communities compared to this one. What I see now is part of the community that is down and out and wants an option to continue through endgame, and another part of the community that is already successful in endgame and want to kick the other part of the community down and keep them down. Text chat can only help the game grow, and therefore continue both sides of the communities experiences. I don't see why anyone would want to hinder this, seeing as if the console version dies, the PC side will soon follow or not be as good as it could be. Someone posted numbers as to how many copies of the game sold on PC in the last year, and how any copies were sold on console in the first month. It's an eye opener. And that part of the community will come crashing down. All we want is freedom of text. Is that really so much to ask of a "massively multi-player online role playing game"? Think about that for a sec.Edited by Duragon_Darko on July 27, 2015 1:26AM.... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.6 -
King Bozo✭✭✭
What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.[/quote]
I am not sure why you would think this? Not having text is clearly splitting the community. Voice chat in zone is so bad many prefer to play with a few in party chat on their friends list. I know many that never go to zone chat as it is filled with annoying loud music and people. Hey brother this hey brother that blah blah. I don't care what people are selling or trading.2 -
Ebonheart1111✭✭✭While a keyboard might be a stretch on consoles, I could see the Xbox smartglass phone keyboard being of use for a quick way to type.1 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭today i tried "Group finder" tool to join dungeons.
Reason: No text chat.
What happened: It put me to random group in somewhere far away from single dungeon.
better then randomly getting kicked since NOBODY had a mic
How so?What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
Other console MMOs have voice and text with no issues. The community isn't split. Well...not along voice / text lines anyway.
Currently you'd probably find about two groups of people in ESO: those who use voice and those who don't (i.e. they leave area channels as soon as they log in). I'm mostly in the latter camp myself.
I ran a dungeon (low level) the other day - I had my mic on, but muted.....nobody said anything! Not a damn thing. It did take an hour or so for the queue to pop....a LFG channel would've probably solved that issue before it even happened.
The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.
LOL you haven't had ONE good argument since you came here, the whole community is splitting is pure BS, again it's just Discrimination that you don't want Text Chat.1 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭
I agree we see it differently the biggest problem in my eyes that will split the community is that the casual player is just playing because they played skyrim will not use it and will sooner or later leave because Their no community because of the split.I say we build up the community with what we have until the add it if they ever add it as it is now we are not helping the community by separating ourselves from it we are.weakening it.BigMac_Smiley wrote: »BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems
The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.
What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.
Casuals will leave in VR levels I guarantee it.. So its irrelevant. The problems with group finder and communication will get them at end game..
If you every played a MMo before or know about how they work if the casuals leave then the games Die you need the casual to keep playing their the majority of the community of any MMo and.the hardcore are the minority.If they leave the games Die just like any MMO.You know why only 7% ok f PS4 players have completed the main story because most casual players who leave at their own pace.So ok f you want them to leave say goodbye to ESO on consoles because even PC Players need the casuals to keep playing or it's over.
That's not true, WoW and FFXIV are still doing very well. You know why? because they can please the Hardcores and Casuals at the same time, something this game fails to do.2 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Hiero_Glyph wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.
If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.
This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.
Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it
You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC
Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.
See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.
Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.
Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.
I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.
See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.
This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.
Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..
The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.
Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.
I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.
First thanks for being amicable...
Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.
Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.
I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.
Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)
Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa
Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.
It's how it is and how it will always be.
Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design
Both DCUO and FFXI were PC games that everything on console. In fact, FFXI was cross server, both console, PS or Xbox and PC could play on the same servers. So yea, we can have with PC has. We had text in beta. So, your point goes moot real fast.
Duplicate post....maybe you and others are throwing out the same argument
Those games do not play like this and let's be honest...IF those are done the way you like...why are you here?
I think it's because this game in your eyes is better or at least not a game you've grown bored of playing.
The gameplay does differ and I think we can all agree on that and not argue it.
What works for one game by a developers design doesn't work for another just because the genre is the same or even similar.
Let's do this...
For the sake of the topic progressing.
Please share what changes to the controller buttons would allow this addition of text chat without reducing the current buttons used during gameplay.
Also please share how the text chat linking, settings, minimize and resize as well as turning it on and off during gameplay would work without interrupting what exists.
Finally please outline how these players will communicate and be notified the other is trying to communicate without adding or cluttering the current UI in these scenarios:
Player 1 on VC but disabled TC
Player 2 off VC and off TC
Player 3 off VC but on TC
Player 4 deaf and on/off VC but on TV
Player 5 deaf and off TC and VC
Player 6 in party chat off/on VC but off TC
Player 7 who wants to use TC over VC but who has no more USB slots
*How does Zenimax build in a way to block text chat by player as PS4 and Xbox1 don't allow such without blocking all communication from the player (today you can mute voice only)
Let's be honest though, not every player wants to communicate with everyone. The first thing I do when launching ESO is to start a private party so I dont constantly get tossed back into area chat when fast traveling. I know several other players that only use group or guild chat. Even with only voice chat players purposely segregate themselves to avoid open communication. Text chat will only improve how players communicate since you don't have to talk over others to communicate. Why would anyone want to have a conversation with 8 strangers without first filtering the topic?
I agree there but from a development standpoint you would need to develop a solve for each and all scenarios.
It's kinda how development should look at rolling out additions and implementations.
Hopefully to add something valuable rather than create additional or new issues.
Text Chat won't create additional issues.4 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Why not just add a function to mute players that are annoying you in area chat? And those comparing ESO to PC version why do such a thing when people cry so much about not being able to talk on PC because they refuse to run vent or TS because of FPS issues along with add-ons other mmos on consoles are just copies of their PC versions while ZOS worked to bring you something that you can call your own. Dont get me wrong when I say this but some of you are coming off as ungrateful
I'm not sure of the context to your comment as we can mute players very quickly and easily on console already.
I agree with the rest of your comment...maybe none of this was directed to me
Absolutely not, it's a huge hassle on consoles.1 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Your last statement and argument goes out the window with DCUO, FFXIV. Hell, even FFXI on PS2 in 2002 had text chat. Consoles need text chat for communication if you want it to be an MMO. Agreed PC has a lot more details and should have a lot more options. But text chat from an MMO is ridiculous, and you sir are one of those tired PC players that instead of listening to reason, ate trying to convince everyone to jump to PC, when in today's world, PC is not the future, and everyone knows it.
Actually it doesn't go out the window.
Those games do not function and work like this does.
This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.
Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago
Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.2 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭Duragon_Darko wrote: »Tired of reading how they can't do text when DCUO and FFXIV are both successful because of it. Tired of hearing how the community will split when all those games have are strong communities compared to this one. What I see now is part of the community that is down and out and wants an option to continue through endgame, and another part of the community that is already successful in endgame and want to kick the other part of the community down and keep them down. Text chat can only help the game grow, and therefore continue both sides of the communities experiences. I don't see why anyone would want to hinder this, seeing as if the console version dies, the PC side will soon follow or not be as good as it could be. Someone posted numbers as to how many copies of the game sold on PC in the last year, and how any copies were sold on console in the first month. It's an eye opener. And that part of the community will come crashing down. All we want is freedom of text. Is that really so much to ask of a "massively multi-player online role playing game"? Think about that for a sec.
Exactly, none of the arguments against Keyboard chat have been viable or good at all, it's all about Prejudice and pure ignorance.3 -
Duragon_Darko✭✭✭So on PC, the community is split between those that use text and those that use TeamSpeak or Mumble? So, in FFXIV the community is split between those that use text and those that run PSN voice parties for trials and raids? So the community in DCUO is split in half from those that use in game voice or in game chat??? Know what, I only see one community that's split, and it's this one. And most PC players (not all) have this aura of higher authority, like they're better than us and we don't deserve text chat. And all we console players are saying is, yes, PC is better, but for Pete's sake, just let us text and raid like EVERY OTHER MMO on consoles and on PC. Text is the most basic form of communication and we're being deprived of it. Man, it's not hard to comprehend, so please, PC, stop hating. The haters are the ones splitting the community. Let it go, cause we will continue the fight until we get what every other MMO has. Text chat option..... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.7
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AaronLannister✭✭✭Duragon_Darko wrote: »So on PC, the community is split between those that use text and those that use TeamSpeak or Mumble? So, in FFXIV the community is split between those that use text and those that run PSN voice parties for trials and raids? So the community in DCUO is split in half from those that use in game voice or in game chat??? Know what, I only see one community that's split, and it's this one. And most PC players (not all) have this aura of higher authority, like they're better than us and we don't deserve text chat. And all we console players are saying is, yes, PC is better, but for Pete's sake, just let us text and raid like EVERY OTHER MMO on consoles and on PC. Text is the most basic form of communication and we're being deprived of it. Man, it's not hard to comprehend, so please, PC, stop hating. The haters are the ones splitting the community. Let it go, cause we will continue the fight until we get what every other MMO has. Text chat option.
Exactly the whole Community Split argument, by far one of the most IGNORANT arguments yet.1 -
jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »If text chat ever arrives... The game is going to have a ton of gold spam just like Final Fantasy. Then we get to have a thread " Gold Spam what are you going to do Zeni?! ".. The fact is they have already done the best thing to counter it and that is to not have text chat and just use voice chat.
Dcuo has a sperate text channel for selling and trading stuff this could also work for eso text chat on console to keep ppl from trying to sell things in the main chat and give them the option to disable it if people don't want to use the sell text chatEdited by theforgottenking1779 on July 27, 2015 3:08AM0 -
slipperytigerSoul ShrivenI would like a chat box too. It just keeps things organized and if you're going to keep voice chat just have the option to have for those that actually use it. I don't use it much.1 -
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✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
I agree we see it differently the biggest problem in my eyes that will split the community is that the casual player is just playing because they played skyrim will not use it and will sooner or later leave because Their no community because of the split.I say we build up the community with what we have until the add it if they ever add it as it is now we are not helping the community by separating ourselves from it we are.weakening it.BigMac_Smiley wrote: »BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems
The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.
What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.
Casuals will leave in VR levels I guarantee it.. So its irrelevant. The problems with group finder and communication will get them at end game..
If you every played a MMo before or know about how they work if the casuals leave then the games Die you need the casual to keep playing their the majority of the community of any MMo and.the hardcore are the minority.If they leave the games Die just like any MMO.You know why only 7% ok f PS4 players have completed the main story because most casual players who leave at their own pace.So ok f you want them to leave say goodbye to ESO on consoles because even PC Players need the casuals to keep playing or it's over.
That's not true, WoW and FFXIV are still doing very well. You know why? because they can please the Hardcores and Casuals at the same time, something this game fails to do.
Without those casuals. WoW and FFXIV wouldnt be where they are. The Hardcores might spend a good bit of money on the game. But the Casuals are the vast majority. They prop any game up that they play.
Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Your last statement and argument goes out the window with DCUO, FFXIV. Hell, even FFXI on PS2 in 2002 had text chat. Consoles need text chat for communication if you want it to be an MMO. Agreed PC has a lot more details and should have a lot more options. But text chat from an MMO is ridiculous, and you sir are one of those tired PC players that instead of listening to reason, ate trying to convince everyone to jump to PC, when in today's world, PC is not the future, and everyone knows it.
Actually it doesn't go out the window.
Those games do not function and work like this does.
This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.
Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago
Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.
Interesting so from all the reviews when it released on PC a lot of observations were pointing out the console feel. Now on console with the controller, limited settings, no controller customization and voice chat vs text chat...your feel is that this plays like PC?
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
~<{[50]}>~ looks better than *5010 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Your last statement and argument goes out the window with DCUO, FFXIV. Hell, even FFXI on PS2 in 2002 had text chat. Consoles need text chat for communication if you want it to be an MMO. Agreed PC has a lot more details and should have a lot more options. But text chat from an MMO is ridiculous, and you sir are one of those tired PC players that instead of listening to reason, ate trying to convince everyone to jump to PC, when in today's world, PC is not the future, and everyone knows it.
Actually it doesn't go out the window.
Those games do not function and work like this does.
This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.
Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago
Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.
Interesting so from all the reviews when it released on PC a lot of observations were pointing out the console feel. Now on console with the controller, limited settings, no controller customization and voice chat vs text chat...your feel is that this plays like PC?
How people feel is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Console Online Games had Keyboard Chat not VoIp.3 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »
I agree we see it differently the biggest problem in my eyes that will split the community is that the casual player is just playing because they played skyrim will not use it and will sooner or later leave because Their no community because of the split.I say we build up the community with what we have until the add it if they ever add it as it is now we are not helping the community by separating ourselves from it we are.weakening it.BigMac_Smiley wrote: »BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Finally some is seeing it..... Not this is my opinion but if you are coming from PC why not go back to PC? Is it because you have such an advantage that you choose to stay on console? I was a console player from the beginning and only brought a laptop a
Because I couldn't wait another year to play ESO on console some of you are taking away valuable time and energy that could be used to improve the content. Why not help try to solve them. Without adding more problems
The same reason of why you played on PC is why I played on PC, but now I am on console where I always truly wanted to be but I still want text chat to come to consoles. If think that voice only is creating a split in the community. Some many people use party chat and not game. Many people only sit in guild chat making it so the only communicate with a few people, and area chat has turned into people talking over each other to sell things. I like to think no one will stop using area chat and text will be there only to help people be better connected. Text is not a replacement for voice it is just a tool that can help the community grow closer together.
What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.
We just have different views. You believe it will split it more, I believe it will bring it closer together. Don't know if we can get past this one we just see it different.
Casuals will leave in VR levels I guarantee it.. So its irrelevant. The problems with group finder and communication will get them at end game..
If you every played a MMo before or know about how they work if the casuals leave then the games Die you need the casual to keep playing their the majority of the community of any MMo and.the hardcore are the minority.If they leave the games Die just like any MMO.You know why only 7% ok f PS4 players have completed the main story because most casual players who leave at their own pace.So ok f you want them to leave say goodbye to ESO on consoles because even PC Players need the casuals to keep playing or it's over.
That's not true, WoW and FFXIV are still doing very well. You know why? because they can please the Hardcores and Casuals at the same time, something this game fails to do.
Without those casuals. WoW and FFXIV wouldnt be where they are. The Hardcores might spend a good bit of money on the game. But the Casuals are the vast majority. They prop any game up that they play.
Exactly, which is why those companies know how to please both, letalone it shows Casuals at all don't mind Text Chat.2 -
Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭Ebonheart1111 wrote: »While a keyboard might be a stretch on consoles, I could see the Xbox smartglass phone keyboard being of use for a quick way to type.
Why would it be a stretch ? on the PS4 it supports both bluetooth & usb keyboards as well as a built in virtual keyboard.
There are also those mini keyboards that clip right onto your controlers as well as an app for a 2nd screen keyboard so you have multipal "keyboard" options.Mirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
Daggerfall Covenant - PS4 NA
PSN: Scooby_6091 -
Mirra_Halfelven✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
-ANd the biggest one of all...miscommunication which is more than present in the forums and on PC text chat. Compared to voice chat, it's a poor option to resolve greater issues.
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
Im sure text would be optional...
Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
Then we've only created another issue that adding text chat didn't solve but rather creates another issue that will require yet another added feature.
When ppl say "it will or it should be optional" that comment doesn't come off as you intend it to.
You think you're saying...if ppl want to use all, none or one or the other given them options and freedom so no one feels forced.
What you're actually saying is...give people options and freedom but I don't have a solution for the realities that such a change create.
Honestly...the console would need to support some sort of combo mouse, keyboard and controller with voice chat which brings us all back to what PC offers.
This is why I continue to suggest ppl to go back to PC
Such a change starts and snowball of other changes...it's a console game.
By design it's suppose to have limitations and force certain behaviors. That's by design
Your last statement and argument goes out the window with DCUO, FFXIV. Hell, even FFXI on PS2 in 2002 had text chat. Consoles need text chat for communication if you want it to be an MMO. Agreed PC has a lot more details and should have a lot more options. But text chat from an MMO is ridiculous, and you sir are one of those tired PC players that instead of listening to reason, ate trying to convince everyone to jump to PC, when in today's world, PC is not the future, and everyone knows it.
Actually it doesn't go out the window.
Those games do not function and work like this does.
This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.
Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago
Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.
Interesting so from all the reviews when it released on PC a lot of observations were pointing out the console feel. Now on console with the controller, limited settings, no controller customization and voice chat vs text chat...your feel is that this plays like PC?
How people feel is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Console Online Games had Keyboard Chat not VoIp.
Actualy they all have both text & voice chat which I think like 99% of the pro-text chat people here want Edited by Mirra_Halfelven on July 27, 2015 5:02AMMirra Halfelven, Templar Troublemaker
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AaronLannister✭✭✭Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »Ebonheart1111 wrote: »While a keyboard might be a stretch on consoles, I could see the Xbox smartglass phone keyboard being of use for a quick way to type.
Why would it be a stretch ? on the PS4 it supports both bluetooth & usb keyboards as well as a built in virtual keyboard.
There are also those mini keyboards that clip right onto your controlers as well as an app for a 2nd screen keyboard so you have multipal "keyboard" options.
People on here act like connecting a Keyboard into a Console slot is something new let alone using one.Edited by AaronLannister on July 27, 2015 6:12AM1 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭"You're not allowed to have text chat because I don't want people not talking to me" is what this has devolved to. Mind you these people are already not talking to you because they don't want to use voice chat, but whatever. Honestly it's good they're keeping these "argument" up. If they stopped the thread might die.
Also I chuckled when I read dcuo plays like a pc game. Obviously, the original developers, Sony Online Entertainment, had the pc in mind first and foremost. The ps3 was obviously an afterthought. I mean let's be real. It's a miracle ps3 even got dcuo.Edited by J2JMC on July 27, 2015 6:21AMKnee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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People already disable Voice Chat, it's not rocket science. If anything people already use Party Chat and not in game chat, using Party Chat also disables Voice Chat in game. In fact if Text Chat was there you could do both.Define optional in context to gameplay.
If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)
Just because PC has thousands of options doesn't mean we shouldn't have options that are compatible and also useful on Consoles.
[/quote]Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa
wow just wow...
PC games work on consoles, and console games also work on PC. Also It's possible for Mouse and Keyboard to be on consoles and also use is nothing new.
No they don't, MMORPG's have always had Text Chat this is what MMO veterans are use to, not the other way around.Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.
completely falseIt's how it is and how it will always be.Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design
Text Chat has always been a focus on Console MMORPG's. Text Chat as shown above and previous comments is needed in an MMO for various reasons. It's also needed on Destiny too, but that's another story.
It does not take away anything by design if anything it ENCOURAGES people to be more social and in fact makes it easier for a wider audience to communicate.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]Edited by ZOS_MatM on July 27, 2015 12:19PM3 -
Laranoye✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Duragon_Darko wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »OK, so i asked @NewBlacksmurf to provide clarification on;
"There are quite a few actually. You may have only joined this thread and neglected to read each page.
The other threads also from April till now contain members of the game who do not want voice chat on the game."
So, im unclear if that's "on in the game period" or "in the game at all" either way, I could not see anyone asking for that in these threads he linked me in explanation. Please help me find them. there was one PC player who didnt want it included in the pc version....
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/181957/let-us-turn-off-area-voice-chat-permanently
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/167454/voice-chat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/188612/console-feedback-i-am-embracing-voice-chat-only-however-several-fixes-tweaks-are-needed
I am obviously missing something he wants me to see.
So you PM me and ask for info...I begin sharing and you cut me off with an ALL caps reply cause you were and are too lazy to read. Are there more, yes but it's not worth anyone's time to pull an off topic conversation off this thread and then for you to decide to tag me and leave out that you didn't even read the first links.
Then ask me to go to another forum to name shame ppl....cmon man
Prob haven't bothered to read up on older threads I shared with you on this same topic
You've closed your eyes and ears to anything that doesn't agree with your opinion and are quick to side with anyone who seemingly supports your opinion.
What's so hard about seeing people who don't want voice chat at all.
Is it unbelievable...?
AND the reality of it all, while playing tonight I have literally 4 ppl come up and say. oooohhhhh. It's NewBlacksmurf!!
I'm reading your stuff on the forums about text chat...you're right man, keep it up and don't let them get to you.
There are people who don't feel the need to post but do read these topics and some agree with you while others agree with my position.
Then there are those, like the group I just joined in the grouping tool that do not use voice chat or party chat but respond to my PM when I ask them to party or voice chat saying...nah bro. I just play, don't want to chat sry
So, what is your idea of an anti-text post? you wont say who and when, so generalize a quote.
the simple truth is you keep saying things that you simply do not back up.
What is my idea of an anti-text post...is that a typo?
Let's assume you're asking what defines anti-voice chat.
A: Players who will utilize voice chat only if it's the only choice but otherwise want text chat and if added will default to text chat as this is their preferred method of in-game communication.
This also is a group who will party chat outside of the game but for in-game their primary method of cummunication is text chat.
This group also has those who play this game solo only and do not wish to talk to anyone via voice chat or text chat.
People who do not like or want to use voice chat or who often times say they feel forced to use voice chat because they would rather text chat primarily or all the time.
You're asking me to name and specifically identify ppl
That type of comment can fall into name shaming. Which happens to against the code of conduct...I have generalized because that is allowed in the code and I began sharing threads that involve conversations about ppl who are anti voice chat.
Secondly...naming or providing you with a list does nothing but throw those people under the rug for some thread they don't want to be a part of.
And again as I've wrote now a few times...please specify exactly what it is you're claiming that I can't back up.
The majority of my comments were from ESO live information...
How about this...to make it easy on you...cite what specific things I'm saying that are wrong and please feel free to cite proof.
I feel that I've provided information...real info from either the company or from in-game experiences and forum threads that support my opinions. I've also comments in that opinion with facts from Zenimax.
From you, all I see is an opinion based on a small group of other opinions where you're then claiming that that small sample size somehow is a majority and that's why your opinion should be addressed by Zenimax in this thread even tho it's been addressed a few times on ZOS live.
There are way to many things about no text chat popping up all over the web recently. Just have enter in google and its everywhere...
So its not only a few of us that want it, With out proper stats id go as far as guesstimate probably about 75% of the player base are OK with it or are all for it.
25% are probably casuals that would be fine once implemented, I bet everyone would use it tbh...
Yes even you NewBlacksmurf.
I'm still having a hard time understanding why you are so adamant at arguing with everyone on here about it.
You don't have to use it if its implemented (but I bet you will)
Why are you unable to comprehend this thread?
People have given plenty of reasons pro text chat, and alot of people only give negatives to the voice just look through this thread or google it..
quoted from first site googled....
""CONS
No chat box
Perhaps it’s because I am a PC gamer and have played so many MMOs, but the lack of a chatbox in the console version of the game seems a bit odd to me. With voice chat being integrated into the game, I can’t say that this is a deal-breaker for me, but I will certainly miss it.
Integrated voice chat
I included integrated voice chat as a pro for the game, but it’s also a con. My first experience with integrated voice chat was in APB, and it was horrendous. Proximity chat was full of children swearing and saying vile things to each other. Then in DC Universe Online, the proximity chat was super sensitive and didn’t function very well at all. I’m not totally against proximity chat because I think it could actually be helpful in some cases. I’m just really happy that we will be able to toggle it off.
As you can see, the major differences in the platforms come in the form of UI elements, which is an amazing feat when you consider how botched some other console ports have been. Although I can’t definitively say that you should buy one version over another, I hope that my list of pros and cons help you decide for yourself.""
GO and google and come back with anything against text chat that's legitimate.....
I may not have said so in this particular thread but why I don't want it because of what comes with it.
-text wall of spam
-more spammers (they are here but I don't have to deal with the text chat making it easier for them to target players
-trade wall of text
-gold sellers
-the arguments and stupid conversations
-the spamming LFG...
-the spamming Guild recruiting...
-the spamming of WTB or WTS....
Those are a few examples and the obvious...I don't want more crap on my screen.
Right now what's on my screen is the compass. That's it
The health, magic and stam bars come up in battle but that's it.
I like it that way and the voice chat pop-ups are very minor.
Adding another box, screen or whatever in-game so that ppl can see something on their screen where all are possible in another way without adding text chat (to some extent) are a few reasons why I don't want it.
Now as for as why it's not needed...
-The current forms of communication allow us to do everything that we "need" to do.
It does drive different behaviors and cause people to move around more. It allows a real dog of war, and creates reason to travel about to find, meet and explore each day.
LFG and trading, guilds and friends all work different than PC in this current form and it's good.
It's very similar to what other console games play like.
I understand many people for whatever reason define game genre by UI as feel the UI is needed in order to truly define the game genre but that's a misconception that has hurt the MMORPG game type.
What Zenimax has done works and works well for console.
I'm not suggesting other changes and tweaks aren't needed or wouldn't be welcomed but text chat isn't "needed".
As I read over different comments and complaints that draw reason or opinions for some to add text chat, in some cases it's pointing out that something else in the game needs to be fixed, changed or adjusted.
I hope that helps you gather where I'm coming from
What ZOS has done does NOT work well. If you don't like text chat, then turn the box off.
If you're in a car with 4 other people and the air conditioner is on, but you're too cold... you shut the air conditioner off. You don't stop at the nearest mechanic and get the damn air conditioner removed completely. Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes.
This is not that difficult. ZOS messed up. This is an MMO. Give us text.
Your opinion is that the current game isn't ideal for you.
Let's be clear...it works even when voice chat goes out because we have party chat and it's as simple and using the radial wheel when targeting a character to open it
You can post in the console activity feed just like PPP use text chat to WTS, WTb or announce. You can use Twitter or Facebook like the rest of us and even PM or group msg friends on console. If that's not ideal for you...go with PC
Regarding your comment if I don't like text chat...turn it off.
Well if you don't like voice chat only, don't play on console.
See that goes back to you because what you prefer and what's ideal for you the company has created in an ideal way for those who like to game and communicate as you prefer.
Regarding your mechanic example...
If I may have an issue with climate controls in any car I can drive myself or just not get into the car at all. Just as if you want text chat you can not buy on PC and not play on console.
Put another way...if in a car...and I realize the car is on with the AC..I can bring a coat and choose not to complain. Ha know..plan ahead. Or regarding the game you can play on PC and as I did up until June 2015...use Xpadder and Pinnacle for controller support. Turn off text chat and use a vent server. Now that a different game version was released that supported everything I was doing using third party support I removed myself from the situation and placed myself into an ideal situation.
I didn't try and force Zenimax to add controller support or voice chat.
See the difference between me and some of you is simple.....
I found what works for me and put myself into that situation but while waiting...I didn't complain, throw a forum tantrum or try and parade and convince ppl to join my bandwagon.
This is the issue I have with how this thread is handling the situation.
Right so your answer according to everything you post is " If you don't like it go on PC" Well NO. I paid money for it on console and PC just like a lot of people.
I and a lot of other people i presume only bought on PC because it was delayed on console..
The answer IS NOT well if you don't like it go on PC.. Grow up.
Why should we not get a similar experience as on the PC, I'ts not like were asking for the blood of your first born.. Like you are making it out to be.
I've tried to be amicable with you, But you continue to be closed minded and ignorant.
First thanks for being amicable...
Second..If to you I'm being closed minded and ignorant, perhaps I have the same observation of you.
Understand I'm not calling you ignorant but I'm am pointing out to look at how you view this and how it's viewed by me.
As the other guy shared links of older threads on this topic you should follow or see it's not that I'm closed minded.
I'd say I'm more open minded than most and because of this open mindedness I'm not only looking at my opinions but also the impacts of such changes. (See my comment above about why it's not just adding a box and text chat but it's way bigger.
Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)
Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa
Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.
It's how it is and how it will always be.
Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design
I'm sorry but its an MMO after all, And there are other console MMO's that manage it ZOS is just trying to be different and it isn't working (Well maybe for some but definitely not all)
So of course its possible, And technically anyone who would play this game knows its an MMO and will most likely have a background in other MMO games so not just console players.
There are probably many other console gamers that do not even have this game because they dislike MMO's.
So their targeted audience are MMO players... not just console players.
Your making it sound more complicated than it needs to be.
My good sir...actually per the console devs that we were introduced to on ESO Live your comment is inaccurate.
As stated by ZOS for the console their targeted customers are the console gamers. Not the MMO gamers.
The gamer who will use a controller, sit on a couch 10-20 feet away and play with a headset who will not have a keyboard handy. All with Minimal elements on the screen to look like TES rather than a MMo
That's who this version is for according to them
(My comment isn't verbatim but it's the gist of what the actually said when addressing why text chat was removed/scrapped during early console development )
No, the majority of player that are going to play this will be MMO players.. Most avid console gamers will not even touch it, they like their CoD or GTA V too much... I have many friends on console who dislike this type of game and they wont pick it up..
So its aimed at MMO players on a console..
And I have a small wireless keyboard handy for FF ARR..
My motto don't fix what aint broke.... They are trying to fix an MMORPG on console with no text chat.. the bread and butter of MMORPG's
Your continuing arguments leads me further to believe you have barely played any other MMO and are probably a console junky, I could be wrong! But if I am, I wonder... Why are you so against it..
( I know you've pointed out reason against, but they are the same for voice...)
OK. See this is your issue.
You can only see things based on your assumptions and seemingly narrow point of view. Then somehow you're attacking my comments saying I'm narrow minded...well...
As you continue to comment and throw comments at me to either feel that you're "winning" an argument or to further argue your opinions towards me...realize our goal should be to hash out ideas for the community in support or opposition of this thread. You're spending a lot of effort towards the wrong audience. I am playing the game that I like the way I like it as is. You desire changes...think about that...
I won't even address your assumptions entirely but I will give you a snap shot of me.
I've been working in gaming since 2002 to current in different roles and fashions.
More so now I'm more of just a gamer than 3 years prior.
As far as MMO experiences...well I began in 1997-1998 as far as playing regularly up until today non-stop via many different games not limited to MMORPGs.
You're holding tight onto your idea is how Zenimax should do things.
Well...they as of right now... disagree. It helps to start there and also pull into your view their overall objective which is not to create a traditional MMORPG
What you have and how you choose to play is really of no interest to Zenimax. Actually how any of us play in this thread is of little interest to Zenimax.
Zenimax as they've shared are basing their development off "their" targeted customers. Anything extra is great but regarding console...they have figured out what works for them.
See understand that even the decision to remove the required sub and add the crown store, change to a UI for console and build voice chat and controller support is all in the decisions and sacrifices they've chosen for their targeted customers.
So what one idea could be for you is to align your interests and play styles with the games and platforms that meet you
Another is constructively discuss with like minded people in this thread on how to come up with feasible suggestions that Zenimax would be interested in based on the outline they've provided for this game.
Lastly...stop wasting time quoting and replying to those in this thread that disagree with you.
Read it...take what applies...think on it and understand other players perspectives....and move on.
OR
We can continue to go back n forth but that's not getting this added..
The choice is yours as well as all others going back n forth with me
My narrow point of view? Are you joking... If your this against it why are you even in a thread about wanting Text Chat?
Constructively discuss? Is that what your doing? You just argue with everyone why your so against it.... Yes constructive...
My previous comments still stand, you do have delusions of grandeur..
Nothing you say makes sense, you change things from one post/thread to another...
Stop wasting time quoting etc?! SO what your basically saying is "Do as I say, Not as I DO"
If anyone's not being helpful to the development of this game, It is you good sir. Your only answer is still don't like it go back on PC..
I think they should do a poll on the console game screen, I believe they will find an awful lot of people want this.. And then you can go off and play another game because we have tarnished your oh so perfect console game.. But no? whats that? I bet you will stay and use it too...4
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