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Console text chat discussion

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  • VoidBlue
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    fallensbane_ESO wrote: »

    Um you can already use a USB keyboard on XBOX One to type, I use it on the occasions I pop into Neverwinter. All you need to do is make it so that when you hit the / key on the board it accesses the chat window. Escape key escape to escape from it. OTHER mmo's of lower quality have grasped this concept already. You don't need any mouse use whatsoever.

    Not to mention at least on the Microsoft front they are planning on adding support for USB mouse support soon as well.



    mmm that be nice. id gladly be happy having to press / or even ` to pop up chat text and type what i want and than press esc to close text chat when im done typing.
  • BigMac_Smiley
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    Stick to your own words. Look at your own self before you began telling others how to act.
    NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

    Lastly...stop wasting time quoting and replying to those in this thread that disagree with you.

    Read it...take what applies...think on it and understand other players perspectives....and move on.
    OR

    We can continue to go back n forth but that's not getting this added..


    The choice is yours as well as all others going back n forth with me

  • Jaronking
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    Laranoye wrote: »
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    Casuals will leave in VR levels I guarantee it.. So its irrelevant. The problems with group finder and communication will get them at end game..

    If you every played a MMo before or know about how they work if the casuals leave then the games Die you need the casual to keep playing their the majority of the community of any MMo and.the hardcore are the minority.If they leave the games Die just like any MMO.You know why only 7% ok f PS4 players have completed the main story because most casual players who leave at their own pace.So ok f you want them to leave say goodbye to ESO on consoles because even PC Players need the casuals to keep playing or it's over.
  • Jaronking
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    bareheiny wrote: »
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    How so?

    Other console MMOs have voice and text with no issues. The community isn't split. Well...not along voice / text lines anyway.

    Currently you'd probably find about two groups of people in ESO: those who use voice and those who don't (i.e. they leave area channels as soon as they log in). I'm mostly in the latter camp myself.

    I ran a dungeon (low level) the other day - I had my mic on, but muted.....nobody said anything! Not a damn thing. It did take an hour or so for the queue to pop....a LFG channel would've probably solved that issue before it even happened.

    The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.
  • bareheiny
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    Jaronking wrote: »
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    The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.
    I disagree there.

    DCUO (dammit...I swear I'll stop talking about my ex!) introduced census data a while ago - a good three years into the life of the game. What's census data? Well - it makes all your character details (well, most of 'em) available for anybody to view...I can look up your character and see your CR (the end-game level thingy) and skill points. I can tell if you've completed various feats etc. Here's my main.

    There was a major split in the community when that went live....but despite my expectations, things settled down and folk got used to it.

    I honestly don't see how introducing something as innocuous as text chat would be any worse.

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  • VoidBlue
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    bareheiny wrote: »
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    I disagree there.

    DCUO (dammit...I swear I'll stop talking about my ex!) introduced census data a while ago - a good three years into the life of the game. What's census data? Well - it makes all your character details (well, most of 'em) available for anybody to view...I can look up your character and see your CR (the end-game level thingy) and skill points. I can tell if you've completed various feats etc. Here's my main.

    There was a major split in the community when that went live....but despite my expectations, things settled down and folk got used to it.

    I honestly don't see how introducing something as innocuous as text chat would be any worse.

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    it wouldnt, it really wouldnt hurt anyone. youd have a box in the lower left corner that was transparent if you didnt have it clicked/highlighted, so you could still see through it and it wont block any of your gameplay. it be pretty much like any other MMO text chat :O zomg!
  • Duragon_Darko
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    Tired of reading how they can't do text when DCUO and FFXIV are both successful because of it. Tired of hearing how the community will split when all those games have are strong communities compared to this one. What I see now is part of the community that is down and out and wants an option to continue through endgame, and another part of the community that is already successful in endgame and want to kick the other part of the community down and keep them down. Text chat can only help the game grow, and therefore continue both sides of the communities experiences. I don't see why anyone would want to hinder this, seeing as if the console version dies, the PC side will soon follow or not be as good as it could be. Someone posted numbers as to how many copies of the game sold on PC in the last year, and how any copies were sold on console in the first month. It's an eye opener. And that part of the community will come crashing down. All we want is freedom of text. Is that really so much to ask of a "massively multi-player online role playing game"? Think about that for a sec.
    Edited by Duragon_Darko on July 27, 2015 1:26AM
    .... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.
  • King Bozo
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    What you all don't get is that Adding text chat will split the. Community even father.It's crazy why can't any of you see that.You talking about not wanting to split the community and buildings one up but your trying to destroy the. Community yourself by splitting it up even more.[/quote]

    I am not sure why you would think this? Not having text is clearly splitting the community. Voice chat in zone is so bad many prefer to play with a few in party chat on their friends list. I know many that never go to zone chat as it is filled with annoying loud music and people. Hey brother this hey brother that blah blah. I don't care what people are selling or trading.
  • Ebonheart1111
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    While a keyboard might be a stretch on consoles, I could see the Xbox smartglass phone keyboard being of use for a quick way to type.
  • tonyanderson09b16_ESO
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    SHAME no chat box.
  • AaronLannister
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    urkonse wrote: »
    today i tried "Group finder" tool to join dungeons.

    Reason: No text chat.
    What happened: It put me to random group in somewhere far away from single dungeon.

    better then randomly getting kicked since NOBODY had a mic
    Jaronking wrote: »
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    The game as it is now is already split those games they were not since they haD it since the start of the game their would be no split.Since the game did not come with it their a split in the community ones that use voice with no problems and like it and those or do not and those who don't want to talk at all..If they implemented it at the start it would be no problem since it wasn't their a problem do you see what I mean.Its like a experiment where if you don't add your materials the right way you won't get the desire results they didn't Mix the matures correctly and no they have unfavorable results.Where even if they add it it's to late.Their a split and a wound that might not never be fixed.

    LOL you haven't had ONE good argument since you came here, the whole community is splitting is pure BS, again it's just Discrimination that you don't want Text Chat.
  • AaronLannister
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    Jaronking wrote: »
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    If you every played a MMo before or know about how they work if the casuals leave then the games Die you need the casual to keep playing their the majority of the community of any MMo and.the hardcore are the minority.If they leave the games Die just like any MMO.You know why only 7% ok f PS4 players have completed the main story because most casual players who leave at their own pace.So ok f you want them to leave say goodbye to ESO on consoles because even PC Players need the casuals to keep playing or it's over.

    That's not true, WoW and FFXIV are still doing very well. You know why? because they can please the Hardcores and Casuals at the same time, something this game fails to do.
  • AaronLannister
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    NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
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    I agree there but from a development standpoint you would need to develop a solve for each and all scenarios.
    It's kinda how development should look at rolling out additions and implementations.

    Hopefully to add something valuable rather than create additional or new issues.

    Text Chat won't create additional issues.
  • AaronLannister
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    NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
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    I'm not sure of the context to your comment as we can mute players very quickly and easily on console already.
    I agree with the rest of your comment...maybe none of this was directed to me :smile:

    Absolutely not, it's a huge hassle on consoles.
  • AaronLannister
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    NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
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    Actually it doesn't go out the window.
    Those games do not function and work like this does.
    This is the only MMORPG game on console that plays like a console game.

    Those others play like a PC port and have limitations OR have the necessity of a keyboard and or mouse to pull off their functionality
    This was already discussed to the point of no end in the same topic weeks ago

    Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.
  • AaronLannister
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    Duragon_Darko wrote: »
    Tired of reading how they can't do text when DCUO and FFXIV are both successful because of it. Tired of hearing how the community will split when all those games have are strong communities compared to this one. What I see now is part of the community that is down and out and wants an option to continue through endgame, and another part of the community that is already successful in endgame and want to kick the other part of the community down and keep them down. Text chat can only help the game grow, and therefore continue both sides of the communities experiences. I don't see why anyone would want to hinder this, seeing as if the console version dies, the PC side will soon follow or not be as good as it could be. Someone posted numbers as to how many copies of the game sold on PC in the last year, and how any copies were sold on console in the first month. It's an eye opener. And that part of the community will come crashing down. All we want is freedom of text. Is that really so much to ask of a "massively multi-player online role playing game"? Think about that for a sec.

    Exactly, none of the arguments against Keyboard chat have been viable or good at all, it's all about Prejudice and pure ignorance.
  • Duragon_Darko
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    So on PC, the community is split between those that use text and those that use TeamSpeak or Mumble? So, in FFXIV the community is split between those that use text and those that run PSN voice parties for trials and raids? So the community in DCUO is split in half from those that use in game voice or in game chat??? Know what, I only see one community that's split, and it's this one. And most PC players (not all) have this aura of higher authority, like they're better than us and we don't deserve text chat. And all we console players are saying is, yes, PC is better, but for Pete's sake, just let us text and raid like EVERY OTHER MMO on consoles and on PC. Text is the most basic form of communication and we're being deprived of it. Man, it's not hard to comprehend, so please, PC, stop hating. The haters are the ones splitting the community. Let it go, cause we will continue the fight until we get what every other MMO has. Text chat option.
    .... I have to admit, the devs do listen to reason, if not to the forums. Thank you for "nameplates", a welcome addition to immersion, as well as the text chat box for PS4, which only comes on the screen when I need it too, and helps this gameplay SO MUCH MORE then without it. THANK YOU for the additions. Very much appreciated.
  • AaronLannister
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    Duragon_Darko wrote: »
    So on PC, the community is split between those that use text and those that use TeamSpeak or Mumble? So, in FFXIV the community is split between those that use text and those that run PSN voice parties for trials and raids? So the community in DCUO is split in half from those that use in game voice or in game chat??? Know what, I only see one community that's split, and it's this one. And most PC players (not all) have this aura of higher authority, like they're better than us and we don't deserve text chat. And all we console players are saying is, yes, PC is better, but for Pete's sake, just let us text and raid like EVERY OTHER MMO on consoles and on PC. Text is the most basic form of communication and we're being deprived of it. Man, it's not hard to comprehend, so please, PC, stop hating. The haters are the ones splitting the community. Let it go, cause we will continue the fight until we get what every other MMO has. Text chat option.

    Exactly the whole Community Split argument, by far one of the most IGNORANT arguments yet.
  • theforgottenking1779
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    jcodbf2b14_ESO wrote: »
    If text chat ever arrives... The game is going to have a ton of gold spam just like Final Fantasy. Then we get to have a thread " Gold Spam what are you going to do Zeni?! ".. The fact is they have already done the best thing to counter it and that is to not have text chat and just use voice chat.

    Dcuo has a sperate text channel for selling and trading stuff this could also work for eso text chat on console to keep ppl from trying to sell things in the main chat and give them the option to disable it if people don't want to use the sell text chat
    Edited by theforgottenking1779 on July 27, 2015 3:08AM
  • slipperytiger
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    I would like a chat box too. It just keeps things organized and if you're going to keep voice chat just have the option to have for those that actually use it. I don't use it much.
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    AaronLannister wrote: »
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    That's not true, WoW and FFXIV are still doing very well. You know why? because they can please the Hardcores and Casuals at the same time, something this game fails to do.

    Without those casuals. WoW and FFXIV wouldnt be where they are. The Hardcores might spend a good bit of money on the game. But the Casuals are the vast majority. They prop any game up that they play.

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    AaronLannister wrote: »
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    Wrong, it doesn't play like Console Games, Console Games has never been just about Voice Chat. Back in PS2 ONLINE games were all Keyboard.

    Interesting so from all the reviews when it released on PC a lot of observations were pointing out the console feel. Now on console with the controller, limited settings, no controller customization and voice chat vs text chat...your feel is that this plays like PC?
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  • AaronLannister
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    NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
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    Interesting so from all the reviews when it released on PC a lot of observations were pointing out the console feel. Now on console with the controller, limited settings, no controller customization and voice chat vs text chat...your feel is that this plays like PC?

    How people feel is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Console Online Games had Keyboard Chat not VoIp.
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    Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »
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    Without those casuals. WoW and FFXIV wouldnt be where they are. The Hardcores might spend a good bit of money on the game. But the Casuals are the vast majority. They prop any game up that they play.

    Exactly, which is why those companies know how to please both, letalone it shows Casuals at all don't mind Text Chat.
  • Mirra_Halfelven
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    Ebonheart1111 wrote: »
    While a keyboard might be a stretch on consoles, I could see the Xbox smartglass phone keyboard being of use for a quick way to type.

    Why would it be a stretch ? on the PS4 it supports both bluetooth & usb keyboards as well as a built in virtual keyboard.
    There are also those mini keyboards that clip right onto your controlers as well as an app for a 2nd screen keyboard so you have multipal "keyboard" options.
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  • Mirra_Halfelven
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    AaronLannister wrote: »
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    How people feel is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Console Online Games had Keyboard Chat not VoIp.

    Actualy they all have both text & voice chat which I think like 99% of the pro-text chat people here want :)
    Edited by Mirra_Halfelven on July 27, 2015 5:02AM
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  • AaronLannister
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    Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »
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    Why would it be a stretch ? on the PS4 it supports both bluetooth & usb keyboards as well as a built in virtual keyboard.
    There are also those mini keyboards that clip right onto your controlers as well as an app for a 2nd screen keyboard so you have multipal "keyboard" options.

    People on here act like connecting a Keyboard into a Console slot is something new let alone using one.
    Edited by AaronLannister on July 27, 2015 6:12AM
  • J2JMC
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    "You're not allowed to have text chat because I don't want people not talking to me" is what this has devolved to. Mind you these people are already not talking to you because they don't want to use voice chat, but whatever. Honestly it's good they're keeping these "argument" up. If they stopped the thread might die.

    Also I chuckled when I read dcuo plays like a pc game. Obviously, the original developers, Sony Online Entertainment, had the pc in mind first and foremost. The ps3 was obviously an afterthought. I mean let's be real. It's a miracle ps3 even got dcuo.
    Edited by J2JMC on July 27, 2015 6:21AM
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  • AaronLannister
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    Define optional in context to gameplay.
    If player 1 uses text chat and disables voice chat...
    Player 2 disables text chat and uses voice chat...
    People already disable Voice Chat, it's not rocket science. If anything people already use Party Chat and not in game chat, using Party Chat also disables Voice Chat in game. In fact if Text Chat was there you could do both.
    Why shouldn't you not get a similar experience like PC.
    Well first of all because the peripherals for a PC literally have thousands of options where a console has less than 10-15 (things may come out later so I raised the number)

    Just because PC has thousands of options doesn't mean we shouldn't have options that are compatible and also useful on Consoles.
    Second...you can't make a limited console function like an open PC.
    Third...the game for PC is targeted for a different type of gamer just as console is targeted for another type.
    Fourth...it's literally not possible to provide a PC experience on console which is why PC games don't work on consoles and vice versa
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    wow just wow...
    PC games work on consoles, and console games also work on PC. Also It's possible for Mouse and Keyboard to be on consoles and also use is nothing new.
    Lastly...and I think you get all the above but you're just commenting rather than truly asking me a question.
    You realize that it can't and won't be the same and you also realize from your interactions on the forums that PC gamers have different styles and expectations vs console gamers. The console makers have a different audience in mind and for the ports or remakes of PC games to console...they too strategically differ.
    No they don't, MMORPG's have always had Text Chat this is what MMO veterans are use to, not the other way around.
    It's how it is and how it will always be.
    completely false
    Now as to why text chat isn't "needed" on console. Outside of the above and my many other comments...text chat is not a focus of console games because it takes away from the input and buttons by design

    Text Chat has always been a focus on Console MMORPG's. Text Chat as shown above and previous comments is needed in an MMO for various reasons. It's also needed on Destiny too, but that's another story.

    It does not take away anything by design if anything it ENCOURAGES people to be more social and in fact makes it easier for a wider audience to communicate.

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    Edited by ZOS_MatM on July 27, 2015 12:19PM
  • Laranoye
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    NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
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    OK. See this is your issue.
    You can only see things based on your assumptions and seemingly narrow point of view. Then somehow you're attacking my comments saying I'm narrow minded...well...

    As you continue to comment and throw comments at me to either feel that you're "winning" an argument or to further argue your opinions towards me...realize our goal should be to hash out ideas for the community in support or opposition of this thread. You're spending a lot of effort towards the wrong audience. I am playing the game that I like the way I like it as is. You desire changes...think about that...

    I won't even address your assumptions entirely but I will give you a snap shot of me.
    I've been working in gaming since 2002 to current in different roles and fashions.
    More so now I'm more of just a gamer than 3 years prior.

    As far as MMO experiences...well I began in 1997-1998 as far as playing regularly up until today non-stop via many different games not limited to MMORPGs.

    You're holding tight onto your idea is how Zenimax should do things.
    Well...they as of right now... disagree. It helps to start there and also pull into your view their overall objective which is not to create a traditional MMORPG

    What you have and how you choose to play is really of no interest to Zenimax. Actually how any of us play in this thread is of little interest to Zenimax.

    Zenimax as they've shared are basing their development off "their" targeted customers. Anything extra is great but regarding console...they have figured out what works for them.

    See understand that even the decision to remove the required sub and add the crown store, change to a UI for console and build voice chat and controller support is all in the decisions and sacrifices they've chosen for their targeted customers.

    So what one idea could be for you is to align your interests and play styles with the games and platforms that meet you

    Another is constructively discuss with like minded people in this thread on how to come up with feasible suggestions that Zenimax would be interested in based on the outline they've provided for this game.

    Lastly...stop wasting time quoting and replying to those in this thread that disagree with you.

    Read it...take what applies...think on it and understand other players perspectives....and move on.
    OR

    We can continue to go back n forth but that's not getting this added..


    The choice is yours as well as all others going back n forth with me

    My narrow point of view? Are you joking... If your this against it why are you even in a thread about wanting Text Chat?

    Constructively discuss? Is that what your doing? You just argue with everyone why your so against it.... Yes constructive...

    My previous comments still stand, you do have delusions of grandeur..

    Nothing you say makes sense, you change things from one post/thread to another...

    Stop wasting time quoting etc?! SO what your basically saying is "Do as I say, Not as I DO"

    If anyone's not being helpful to the development of this game, It is you good sir. Your only answer is still don't like it go back on PC..

    I think they should do a poll on the console game screen, I believe they will find an awful lot of people want this.. And then you can go off and play another game because we have tarnished your oh so perfect console game.. But no? whats that? I bet you will stay and use it too...
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