Console text chat discussion
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Scroll back a few pages. I literally addressed this.
You can play using Xpadder or Pinnacle Profile with no issues as have I since 2013 until June console then I moved over.
I'm sure you're aware control pad support is coming to PC soon but the controller on PC is completely a different situation compared to console.
If you're on console you wouldn't use a keyboard because it's not supported. Let's be realistic of what actually exists or what support is coming which is confirmed.
Making sense....it's all your opinion but based on your comments your comments are hard to take seriously when considering options, preferences and what's already supported.
If you're on PC, nothing in this thread pertains to you as there exists third party support for most means of controller and communication support.
Don't be that guy please
Bro I agree with much of what you say but this thread keeps sinking to page 5 because it is a pet issue of a fringe group.
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My actual point was, Yes you would get it in both, but by far voice would be more damaging on the person...
And voice is none of that no? Even when you have to leave the game to look at invites and messages from people?
Youve literally just said the issues with voice too....
Yes other online games that arnt your average MMORPG...
No, a lot of people would like to chat but not via voice.. Offers a chance?! I bet more people than you think will use it.
Yes, Most of us bought on console as well because we assumed it would be the same experience... I'm not going to watch every dev vid or read every update article about whats in and not.
Text is a fundamental part of any MMORPG and we all just assumed wrong they would realize that too..
Bring on a poll on the actual console, I bet you will see it in a new light then..
Yes, yes i do.
I do not just want to start talking to random people with voice, Its like a personal/privacy thing.
Do you go around in the real world and randomly talk to someone full blown convo? no..
Dating sites : you wouldn't randomly phone someone and start talking to them straight away... no. you message 1st get to know until you feel comfortable..
Again basically your telling us if we don't like it go back to PC.
Again how is this going to IMPACT you? Your precious voice has an impact on alot of the console community but you don't give a monkeys about them.
My happiness would me when they implement text chat
I would just like to add to what someone said before..
Compare this too a mobile phone...
Say you get phone, then the new model comes out with new features you want/need. But you can only use voice calls....
No texting... What would you do?
Because you know what, I guarantee everyone uses texts on a phone ALOT more than they would call... Just ask your girlfriend/Wife...
I know the phone has no relevance on the game but it is a similar prospect.
You seem to be adverse to talking to people. It doesn't come off that the issue is what the game provides but rather a personality trait or communication fear and anxiety.
Ultimately, yes I'm suggesting to go back to PC. I'm sure Zenimax has read countless threads on this. Your point of view isn't much different for others who are asking them to add text chat to consoles.
Right now at least, they don't want to and have no plans to.
The immediate solution is to use a product that supports your preferences.
Regarding the phone example, that's been addressed pages prior
It's the same circle...phone example, DUCO or Neverwinter Or Final Fantasy, then the it's on PC why not console or hey I have a keyboard...other things like make it so it can be optional, or why are you forcing this on me.
It's literally the same few points from each new and existing forum participant on this topic since April.
Perhaps if something that Zenimax views as an value add and presented in a way that offers solves for each obstacle they ran up against it could be responded to by the staff but as of now and the last three months, it's the same ok, same ok and those observations have been addressed on ESO live.
Right now the ZOS response is no.
The opportunity is try PC or play the game as is.
Honestly you don't need to go to PC but if you can't accept the console version as is and demand text chat, then there is no other option for you.
I'm not being mean, rude, close minded, etc. it's a practical response for your situation based on current options.
You gotta make the choice for yourselves.
Nothing wrong with continuing to discuss different ideas or suggestions but right now that's not happening.
As I've commented before.
If you want to get this added, come up with the solutions in a constructive way.
Right now this is just a complaint thread to ZOS or a why won't you respond thread full of ppl bumping the thread with no value added
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Exactly a player convenience problem... If there has to be 3rd party approaches to doing things in game then clearly there is a problem.. Why can no one see this? lol
I'm on board with this approach. Not that I agree with adding text chat but at least this is a way more accurate portrayal of what this thread should be about.
I imagine this thread or topic could have gained more traction if it hadn't been hijacked by hyberbolic posters claiming that lack of text chat is game breaking, will kill the game, insulting those who disagree, etc. It's a hundred page tbread that could be condensed into about 10 but trolling and baiting and bumping took over and now nobody even find any real conversation about a player convenience concern. Oh well.
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Ace_of_Destiny✭✭✭✭✭I am writing html to create a guildsite, and I am using the PS4 browser to do it.
If I can do that, and I am an idiot, I think a-whole-lotta people can handle things like chatbox typing, chatbox re-sizing/formatting/disabling, console key re-mapping, and so many other things that ZOS apparnetly doesn't think the "console crowd" would use, or enjoy.EQUALIZE ALL PLATFORMS!
IF ONE HAS IT...ALL SHOULD HAVE IT!!
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AaronLannister✭✭✭Kleptobrainiac wrote: »
I'm on board with this approach. Not that I agree with adding text chat but at least this is a way more accurate portrayal of what this thread should be about.
I imagine this thread or topic could have gained more traction if it hadn't been hijacked by hyberbolic posters claiming that lack of text chat is game breaking, will kill the game, insulting those who disagree, etc. It's a hundred page tbread that could be condensed into about 10 but trolling and baiting and bumping took over and now nobody even find any real conversation about a player convenience concern. Oh well.
When all else fails, we can whip the horse's eyes.
LOL Anti-Text Chatters pretending to be Victims.
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AaronLannister✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
As I've commented before.
If you want to get this added, come up with the solutions in a constructive way.
Right now this is just a complaint thread to ZOS or a why won't you respond thread full of ppl bumping the thread with no value added
Solutions in a constructive way? We already gave it to them thousands of times, they aren't listening. Clearly neither are you.
It really isn't. MMO's were always part of chat.It's the same circle...phone example, DUCO or Neverwinter Or Final Fantasy, then the it's on PC why not console or hey I have a keyboard...other things like make it so it can be optional, or why are you forcing this on me.Perhaps if something that Zenimax views as an value add and presented in a way that offers solves for each obstacle they ran up against it could be responded to by the staff but as of now and the last three months, it's the same ok, same ok and those observations have been addressed on ESO live.
No they haven't. Zenimax obviously has not thought this though, they're just giving us badly presented excuses when these issues can clearly be resolved easily and have been done by countless Developers before.If you're on console you wouldn't use a keyboard because it's not supported. Let's be realistic of what actually exists or what support is coming which is confirmed.
LOL what? Completely ignoring that people already have been using KB for MMO's on Consoles for a very long time since the PS2 era. Dodging more facts are we?Edited by AaronLannister on July 29, 2015 12:44AM1 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »I am writing html to create a guildsite, and I am using the PS4 browser to do it.
If I can do that, and I am an idiot, I think a-whole-lotta people can handle things like chatbox typing, chatbox re-sizing/formatting/disabling, console key re-mapping, and so many other things that ZOS apparnetly doesn't think the "console crowd" would use, or enjoy.
Exactly it's quite sad that the Anti Text Chatters are nothing but trolls. I'm willing to bet that a lot of them don't want it just because they're afraid of people undercutting Profits and giving away Bites for free.Edited by AaronLannister on July 29, 2015 12:37AM0 -
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✭AaronLannister wrote: »
Exactly it's quite sad that the Anti Text Chatters are nothing but trolls. I'm willing to bet that a lot of them don't want it just because they're afraid of people undercutting Profits and giving away Bites for free.
I really dont know what their issue is. I would be interested to hear from them how a disabled/minimized text chat box would affect their game in a bad way?
I mean, Im not a big fan of voice chat mainly because its so limited as to be completely useless to me, and Id rather not listen to all the nonsense broadcast over it, so I would just shut it off when I entered the game, and any other time it would turn itself back on. HOWEVER, once shut off, I will say it really didnt affect my game at all. Good, bad or whatever.. Now why is it, that text chat shut off for those who dont want it would be different?
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AaronLannister✭✭✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »
I really dont know what their issue is. I would be interested to hear from them how a disabled/minimized text chat box would affect their game in a bad way?
I mean, Im not a big fan of voice chat mainly because its so limited as to be completely useless to me, and Id rather not listen to all the nonsense broadcast over it, so I would just shut it off when I entered the game, and any other time it would turn itself back on. HOWEVER, once shut off, I will say it really didnt affect my game at all. Good, bad or whatever.. Now why is it, that text chat shut off for those who dont want it would be different?
it's more-so the fact that people are just use to bad game design and or always giving excuses to poorly Designed BS.
Look at Destiny raking in millions when there are so many issues and also one of the worst LFG systems in existence these developers know they can get away with being lazy.
I'm sure half the reason Zenimax doesn't want Text Chat is because they're too cheap to hire more moderators.
The sad thing is that these things were solved Ages ago by more sane developers who knew what they were doing.
There were LFG systems that were near perfect, easy and simple to use in past MMO's
There were Chatboxes in Console MMO's for a reason and those developers knew how to easily implement, so yes these Zenimax developers are incompetent imo especially when they're just giving out excuses that people have easily solved ages ago.
ESO is essentially a Soulless game on Consoles, you're character name doesn't even show, it's pure BS and Zenimax must know this. they're just too busy making more DLC and Crown Store items to even Fix the simplest things.
ESO is not good MMORPG for people who want to Role Play which is one of the main draw in MMO's, it isn't even a good one if people want to meet new people in an MMO.Edited by AaronLannister on July 29, 2015 1:04AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
Solutions in a constructive way? We already gave it to them thousands of times, they aren't listening. Clearly neither are you.
It really isn't. MMO's were always part of chat.
No they haven't. Zenimax obviously has not thought this though, they're just giving us badly presented excuses when these issues can clearly be resolved easily and have been done by countless Developers before.
LOL what? Completely ignoring that people already have been using KB for MMO's on Consoles for a very long time since the PS2 era. Dodging more facts are we?
You're missing it.
Here is an example of a constructive way to suggest a change in this game.
@......ZOS
I'd like you to review the possibilities of XYZ change or suggestion
(Proposal goes here...)
-ZOS your console development shared the following reasons why XYZ wasn't implemented and scrapped during development
-Insert reason 1
-insert reason 2
-insert reason 3
ZOS, here are my suggestions regarding each reason
-solution to reason 1
-solution to reason 2
-solution to reason 3
ZOS, as an alternative if your decision is still no
-XYZ comment about how ZOS would suggest using XYZ features that already exist to address the OP concerns that will not be resolved by the suggested or proposed changes
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Wait for ZOS response
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AaronLannister✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
You're missing it.
Here is an example of a constructive way to suggest a change in this game.
@......ZOS
I'd like you to review the possibilities of XYZ change or suggestion
(Proposal goes here...)
-ZOS your console development shared the following reasons why XYZ wasn't implemented and scrapped during development
-Insert reason 1
-insert reason 2
-insert reason 3
ZOS, here are my suggestions regarding each reason
-solution to reason 1
-solution to reason 2
-solution to reason 3
ZOS, as an alternative if your decision is still no
-XYZ comment about how ZOS would suggest using XYZ features that already exist to address the OP concerns that will not be resolved by the suggested or proposed changes
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Wait for ZOS response
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It's the developers job to Find Solutions, many developers already solved the same Text Chat issue they were having on Consoles. So yes Zenimax clearly is either incompetent, or they just don't want to.1 -
ZOS_MatM✭✭Hi everyone,
Due to how many times this thread has deteriorated into non-constructive and often personal comments, we are closing it. We are reading your feedback on this matter, and will continue to do so. You're welcome to continue a constructive discussion about this topic in another (or new) thread.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
It's the developers job to Find Solutions, many developers already solved the same Text Chat issue they were having on Consoles. So yes Zenimax clearly is either incompetent, or they just don't want to.
Not sure if you've been apart of other online game communities specifically MMORPGs but this is a safe approach to getting your voice heard.
Some go further and talk about it within a few guild before organizing thought and creating a thread.
It's not a developers job to find solutions for your desires, their focus is to find solutions that fall within their ideas and goals for us.
This is an ask of the community outside of what they planned during console development. Whether the change was early or late, it was pre BETA-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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