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What happened to " we will track your exp earned " ????( Gina Bruno answered this 12/28/2014)
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Oh, where did youi read about new content being released? Cause update 1.6 has no new content.. It doesn't even have a new dungeon for us to toy with! It is purely a system update, changes to skills, etc. No playable content.
Next playable content should be released on update 1.7... In about 5 months.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.4 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.5 -
XGP✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.5 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.
Heh... I am sorc, I know your pain. Everything I do will change in this patch.New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That is not playable content pal. The justice system has a few quests, but they are like dailies, not a story.
As for the Champion System, that is a system only change... No quests at all.
No new dungeons on this update, adventure zone, advances on PvP, new trials. Nothing that passes for end game playable content.Edited by Grao on December 30, 2014 9:45PM3 -
XGP✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.
Heh... I am sorc, I know your pain. Everything I do will change in this patch.New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That is not playable content pal. The justice system has a few quests, but they are like dailies, not a story.
As for the Champion System, that is a system only change... No quests at all.
No new dungeons on this update, adventure zone, advances on PvP, new trials. Nothing that passes for end game playable content.
The champion and justice system are new content. How could you not know that. anything that adds change to a game is new content.
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Actually I am starting to worry more about what they are going to do to my skills
than the number of CPs I get.
Heh... I am sorc, I know your pain. Everything I do will change in this patch.New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That is not playable content pal. The justice system has a few quests, but they are like dailies, not a story.
As for the Champion System, that is a system only change... No quests at all.
No new dungeons on this update, adventure zone, advances on PvP, new trials. Nothing that passes for end game playable content.
The champion and justice system are new content. How could you not know that. anything that adds change to a game is new content.
Do you even understand what Playable Content means? The Champion System is not a playable content... It is a bunch of little passives you will add points to and then forget about it. And the justice system is on the early phase of implementation, which means the world wide PvP that is what we are all looking forward to is not coming yet. We will get some quests that are a lot like dailies and guards in the towns for when you accidentally try entering a locked room or click something on the vendor's table cause you forgot it is now considered a crime.5 -
XGP✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.6 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises they can obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.Edited by Inklings on December 30, 2014 10:11PM6 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...5 -
XGP✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises to obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.
are you trying to validate you're game time and want to get rewared for playing somthing u pay for? even if they promised or not we are all still getting 30CP to make things even regardless. come people grind to vet 14 some actualy finish the whole game. But there are still a huge HUGE amount of dailys to do mobs to kill to gain EXP.
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XGP✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
Also pick pockting and robing house with selling to fence to the thiefves guild is still playable content
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm confused. For those complaining about not getting more CP, were you only leveling to VR14 because of the extra CP? If they didn't say anything at all about keeping track of exp a few months ago, would you have stopped leveling at VR1?
A VR14 is not losing anything compared to a VR1. While they're questing, you can be grinding or doing dailies or dungeons or whatever the heck you want, and you'll get CP just as fast as them (probably faster.) Even if you're staunchly against grinding, Undaunted dailies, PvP dailies, PvP in general, Craglorn, and dungeons, and the only thing you want to do are non-repeatable quests, you can level an alt to VR1, because CP is account-wide. You can even get one by the time 1.6 drops.
So really, what's the problem? Either continue what you've been doing or level an alt. You'll get CP at the same rate either way.
We are questing because we don't want to grind. We are questing because she specifically told us that we should continue to level our veteran characters... not once, but twice... officially.
So, now, here we are, with all of the available quest content finished, and they tell us that they have decided they can't be arsed to do what they said they would.
You don't find that more than a bit wrong?
And people don't understand why no one official wants to say ANYTHING until it is officially official and chiseled into granite in letters a foot deep.
Every time they update information on systems that are still being tested and are still subject to change, people get angry over information that, while it was "official", wasn't final and, surprise, was changed after more work showed issues.5 -
DanielMaxwell✭✭✭
perhaps i should have made it clearer for @XGP , while technically the champion system and justice system can be called content . We do not know what playable content for the justice system will actually make it to live , that depends on feedback during the PTS period . As for the champion system there is no new non repeatable content coming with it .DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
nobody knows if there will be any repeatable content released with the justice system or if any that is released will also provide progression in the champion system for level capped players .
Progression in the champion system is for level capped characters only , and they have not announced any new end game playable content (no new dungeons , zones , or quests for level capped characters).1 -
XGP✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »
perhaps i should have made it clearer for @XGP , while technically the champion system and justice system can be called content . We do not know what playable content for the justice system will actually make it to live , that depends on feedback during the PTS period . As for the champion system there is no new non repeatable content coming with it .DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
nobody knows if there will be any repeatable content released with the justice system or if any that is released will also provide progression in the champion system for level capped players .
Progression in the champion system is for level capped characters only , and they have not announced any new end game playable content (no new dungeons , zones , or quests for level capped characters).
the champion system is a new leveling system so it does count towards the bridge for end game content. It's just the first phase we will all test it on PTS regardless. But you're general sence of content is not evryones DEFINITION of CONTENT.
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kieso✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have a VR12, VR 4 and a VR 3 and I'm not bothered in the slightest that I'm getting the same amount of CP as a VR1 because I've enjoyed the time I've played and the story lines I've completed and skyshards I've gained.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]
Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on December 30, 2014 11:17PM10 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭@XGP
As someone who has been playing MMOs for almost 2 decades now, i can safely say you are in the minority with your "DEFINITION of CONTENT." You are trying to pass off game mechanics as content and the two are considered different by the majority of players.
Edited by Inklings on December 30, 2014 10:36PM9 -
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭@XGP
As someone who has been playing MMOs for almost 3 decades now, i can safely say you are in the minority with your "DEFINITION of CONTENT." You are trying to pass off game mechanics as content and the two are considered different by the majority of players.
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DanielMaxwell✭✭✭DanielMaxwell wrote: »
perhaps i should have made it clearer for @XGP , while technically the champion system and justice system can be called content . We do not know what playable content for the justice system will actually make it to live , that depends on feedback during the PTS period . As for the champion system there is no new non repeatable content coming with it .DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
nobody knows if there will be any repeatable content released with the justice system or if any that is released will also provide progression in the champion system for level capped players .
Progression in the champion system is for level capped characters only , and they have not announced any new end game playable content (no new dungeons , zones , or quests for level capped characters).
the champion system is a new leveling system so it does count towards the bridge for end game content. It's just the first phase we will all test it on PTS regardless. But you're general sence of content is not evryones DEFINITION of CONTENT.
there are different types of content
there is mechanical content , things like the champion system , or the justice system .
there is payable content , things like dungeons , quests , zones , and systems like the justice system when it is fully implemented.
some new content will fall into both of those groupings . The justice system when fully implemented is one of those .
you are right that not everyone will use the same definition for what is content .3 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I still can't see that anyone is really losing anything... you can still do whatever it is you do in the game after these changes, can't you?
I get that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement because of the many hours of "work" they spent playing a game, but it just isn't something I can identify with. (No, that's not an invitation for someone to explain it again. I get it. My mind just doesn't work that way.)
When in phase 4 veteran ranks are removed Vr1 player will ends up with 30CP + CP from content(non repeatable) +from killing NPC's + CP from PvP+ repeatable quests.
Vr14 player ends up with 30CP+from killing NPC's+ CP from PvP+ repeatable quests. Vr14 gets no CP from content they completed before phase 3!
And yet a VR 14 will end up with more CP than the Casual, as the CS is based on time played and not content done.
Why is this so hard to understand for you?
If you keep playing as much as you did before, then you will still have more CPs with 1.7. Casuals who are not yet VR 14, don't automatically play much more and quests wont give more XP either. It simply put doesn't matter what you do with 1.6, the XP gain will be equal no matter if you quest, do a daily, run a dungeon or a trial.
So yes, you will still be the biggest fish in the water, now relax
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭I still can't see that anyone is really losing anything... you can still do whatever it is you do in the game after these changes, can't you?
I get that a lot of people have a sense of entitlement because of the many hours of "work" they spent playing a game, but it just isn't something I can identify with. (No, that's not an invitation for someone to explain it again. I get it. My mind just doesn't work that way.)
When in phase 4 veteran ranks are removed Vr1 player will ends up with 30CP + CP from content(non repeatable) +from killing NPC's + CP from PvP+ repeatable quests.
Vr14 player ends up with 30CP+from killing NPC's+ CP from PvP+ repeatable quests. Vr14 gets no CP from content they completed before phase 3!
And yet a VR 14 will end up with more CP than the Casual, as the CS is based on time played and not content done.
Why is this so hard to understand for you?
If you keep playing as much as you did before, then you will still have more CPs with 1.7. Casuals who are not yet VR 14, don't automatically play much more and quests wont give more XP either. It simply put doesn't matter what you do with 1.6, the XP gain will be equal no matter if you quest, do a daily, run a dungeon or a trial.
So yes, you will still be the biggest fish in the water, now relax
^ Someone that clearly has no idea what he is saying. Nice picture though 9 -
Jaxsun✭✭✭✭Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises to obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.
are you trying to validate you're game time and want to get rewared for playing somthing u pay for? even if they promised or not we are all still getting 30CP to make things even regardless. come people grind to vet 14 some actualy finish the whole game. But there are still a huge HUGE amount of dailys to do mobs to kill to gain EXP.
Yes, that is exactly the point. They lied to us to get our money and are not going to deliver what we paid for.7 -
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »What other aspects of the game? Seriously... It is an MMO, or you quest, or you grind (both for leveling), you do PvP and you work professions. My main character has all exploration achievements, all quests completed, all professions leveled to maxed... And I didn't take that many hours to reach vr3 >.<
And none of your arguments play any role on ZoS decision. Their decision (as they've stated in another forum post) is based only in the need to flatten the differences between vr1s and the other vr levels because they are abolishing those differences.
Coming 1.7 we will all have the power or of a vr1 or of a vr14 or something in between, no matter what rank we are currently on the veteran system! Isn't that great?
@Grao , did you read the part of my post that said that was an extreme example? Some RP, some craft, collect, interact with Guildies.
720 hours equates to 30 days in game played and does not somehow obligate someone to be at any particular level. What about people that enjoy making alts, repeatedly? Is their time somehow worth less?
How about 8 characters at 125 hours each, trying different builds or alliances?
You, and however many other people, have determined where someone should be at given a certain amount of time and you have determined, arbitrarily, what that is or is not supposed to be worth.
The 'you didn't do it this way' or 'you didn't reach this goal, so you do/don't deserve this reward' is BS.
Your RANK is your reward. The benefits that come with it, skillpoints, attribute points, gear, time mastering your skills is your reward. Changing how that is viewed will not change those gains.
None of your arguments play any role in their decision either.
That is my very point.
They're looking at the entire player base, not just the ones that have somehow determined they are 'worth more.'
I've got max level characters. I've got characters that are not.
People are making assumptions about how the transition to no-VR's is going to work when ZOS has probably not decided themselves.
One month's sub $ is one month's sub $. Period.
This "I'm more important that the next guy, so change it or I'll leave" crap is ridiculous. If you don't like it when it comes out, walk on.
The game will continue either way.
the above is rife with inane drivel....
i have all but 1 trade skill maxed and i am vr7, so that for sure makes me equal to a vr14 with no trade skills..... THEY ARE TWO SEPERATE THINGS....
trade skills have their own experience- i maxed it. level grinding has its own experience level, which veteran ranks are attached to and are to be replaced by CPs- i don't have it maxed. the mere fact that the character progression isn't maxed MAKES me unequal to a VR14. if you want to stand around shooting the bull or crafting, thats on you. if you want to level and work towards character progression (the numbers that make you kill faster) thats on you as well. neglect either and that is on you.... its all equal but they are completely separate systems.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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As someone who has been playing MMOs for almost 2 decades now, i can safely say you are in the minority with your "DEFINITION of CONTENT." You are trying to pass off game mechanics as content and the two are considered different by the majority of players.
Your making me miss Ultima Online. That and the crap being pulled with the CP points...0 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
That's not content... just sayin'Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises to obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.
are you trying to validate you're game time and want to get rewared for playing somthing u pay for? even if they promised or not we are all still getting 30CP to make things even regardless. come people grind to vet 14 some actualy finish the whole game. But there are still a huge HUGE amount of dailys to do mobs to kill to gain EXP.
That's not the point. The point is we were told XP would be converted so people played according to that statement. Which we now know, was a lie.DanielMaxwell wrote: »
perhaps i should have made it clearer for @XGP , while technically the champion system and justice system can be called content . We do not know what playable content for the justice system will actually make it to live , that depends on feedback during the PTS period . As for the champion system there is no new non repeatable content coming with it .DanielMaxwell wrote: »New content is the champion system and the justice system o.O
those are two game mechanic systems not actual content .
content would be new dungeons , quests , or zones
neither the champion system or the justice system is adding any content that we the players are aware of .
One of the big mistakes being made by ZOS is launching the champion system without including new content for players to run to progress in the champion system.
Game Mechanics are things that trigger with things you do in the game. Some of champion system will do this but its still new content cause it is not somthing that is in the game currently now.
OMG! READ! I said Playable Content!! Of course the patch has new content... It is an update for gods sakes >.> It is just not a shinny new dungeon or trial or an adventure zone, or imperial city. It is a bunch of little dailies and a ton of changes to your stats and abilities...
nobody knows if there will be any repeatable content released with the justice system or if any that is released will also provide progression in the champion system for level capped players .
Progression in the champion system is for level capped characters only , and they have not announced any new end game playable content (no new dungeons , zones , or quests for level capped characters).
the champion system is a new leveling system so it does count towards the bridge for end game content. It's just the first phase we will all test it on PTS regardless. But you're general sence of content is not evryones DEFINITION of CONTENT.
Well his definition is what content is for the majority of players, not yours...Hello all,
The sole reason why we do Quests is to level up our skill lines, our vet ranks, and our skills to morph. I think everyone that has done all the quests in the game and finished everything has been rewarded with skill points, atribution points, dye colors, and the titles. These's where the reasons for completeing the game for those mile stones and rewards. You can complain about every little detail but it will not change the overall outcome. Be glad that we are getting Champion points.
I my self have completed most of the game content. But you guys are also missing the one importand thing even if you complete everything now and don't have much to do they will release more content with more dyes more achivements more quests for you to level. So just be patient more will come when its supposed to.
Youre missing the point completely. Its not about what is to come. Its about what we just did. A lot of the player base was ready to unsub a few months ago. We had already completed all or at least most the stuff you had listed. There was no real reason for a lot of us to keep playing. We did so cause when we asked why should keep playing we were told we'd be rewarded for the time, money and effort we put forward for the next few months. There were other peoplewho stepped away from PvP, trails, dungeson and other things to farm this xp that was promised to be be converted to CP, when they could have been progressing their characters in other ways. This has NOTHING to do with what is about to come with 1.6. Its about what we just did for the last 3 months.
First of all look at what you described is opportunity cost. You put all that time into the game and gain experience that was invalid to gain when that expericen gain is automatic even if you Grind or just play the game in the general sence. Secondly any experince u gained would not go to waste if you have skills still to level up. so the point overall is not missed why complain about content that is not yet out.
One, i don't understand your first point at all. You need to word that a bit better.
Your second point is moot and holds no water. Sorry to be harsh, but ALL my skills, and both of their morphs for each have been maxed out since we had a vr10 cap. I played this game for the last 3 months to earn converted xp. There are a lot of players like me. You dont dangle a carrot out in front of your playerbase with promises to obtain that veggy, only to take the carrot away after you have their money. Its NOT a good business practice. That's not how you treat paying customers.
are you trying to validate you're game time and want to get rewared for playing somthing u pay for? even if they promised or not we are all still getting 30CP to make things even regardless. come people grind to vet 14 some actualy finish the whole game. But there are still a huge HUGE amount of dailys to do mobs to kill to gain EXP.
And you don't ? Huh ? What's the point of doing ANYTHING in life if you don't get ''rewarded'' for it... ?
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✭What people don't seem to understand is that we don't really care how many points we get, well, at least I don't. Our complain is that the champion system is being installed to replace the veteran system and upon inauguration this new system is being instructed to ignore previous progression. Instead ZoS created an arbitrary, random rule to replace the workings of the CS on this one instance.
Vr1s haven't leveled within the veteran ranks, so they shouldn't get any champion point. Considering that to get to vr14 you gather enough experience to gain 52 CPs, giving the Vr1s 30 free CPs is (or will be once the new system is fully implemented) the same as making all current vr1s into vr10s. Giving the vr14s that same amount of points means demoting them to that same rank.
Why is ZoS doing this? To prepare for the complete removal of the veteran system. They are doing it in preparation to completely discard all the progression (exp) you've gathered past vr1. Does that sounds fair to any of you? Does it sound right? From vr1 to vr14 we gather 13 million exp points. That is what ZoS is trying to ignore.
Actually, I guess that is not very precise. They are giving everyone 30 Cps, that is equivalent to 7.5 million exp, that leaves the small amount of 5.5 million exp. Oh, wait! It isn't a small amount, is it? 5.500.000 exp.Edited by Grao on December 31, 2014 4:23AM5 -
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✭And yet a VR 14 will end up with more CP than the Casual, as the CS is based on time played and not content done.
Why is this so hard to understand for you?
If you keep playing as much as you did before, then you will still have more CPs with 1.7.
Then what was the problem to "track XP" if it's time dependent? It's even easier to track time, /played does it for you any time. YOu just need to see what was this number for each character when on Oct 3.
But no, most likely they won't reward me with CP for just being and online and chatting (finding a group) or trading.
I am pretty sure that CP will be rewarded for XP and players who have quests left can and will get it faster.
I have nothing left to do but grind, which I won't do because it's not fun. And I bet they won't scale XP so that for 2 trials(for coffers) and 7 dungeons(for dailies) I will get as much XP as another player would get for a week of questing.
I remember, it would take 1 to 2 days to complete the entire veteran zone. I bet they won't make it so that, say, 9 AA runs will give me as much XP because in this case people will just grind trials and spend almost no efforts and time.
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✭And yet a VR 14 will end up with more CP than the Casual, as the CS is based on time played and not content done.
Why is this so hard to understand for you?
If you keep playing as much as you did before, then you will still have more CPs with 1.7.
Then what was the problem to "track XP" if it's time dependent? It's even easier to track time, /played does it for you any time. YOu just need to see what was this number for each character when on Oct 3.
But no, most likely they won't reward me with CP for just being and online and chatting (finding a group) or trading.
I am pretty sure that CP will be rewarded for XP and players who have quests left can and will get it faster.
I have nothing left to do but grind, which I won't do because it's not fun. And I bet they won't scale XP so that for 2 trials(for coffers) and 7 dungeons(for dailies) I will get as much XP as another player would get for a week of questing.
I remember, it would take 1 to 2 days to complete the entire veteran zone. I bet they won't make it so that, say, 9 AA runs will give me as much XP because in this case people will just grind trials and spend almost no efforts and time.
I keep seeing this said. If you have ran out of the content you enjoy, that is your issue, not the champion system.
If they gave you 100 extra CP, you would still have no content that you enjoy to do.
Why are you still playing if you have no more content you enjoy?
The fact is, anyone that is still here and still enjoying it, is doing some form of content (or they are not playing at all), that content will award XP, be it currently or after the rebalance of XP awards.12