GMs are cleaning the BOTS... Picture of Awesome inside.

rayvn03b14_ESO

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

It is now my head-canon that the GM's compete to see who can kill more bots in a day. Because.

Yes. and having been a CSR I hope ZOS is giving them bonuses for how many bots they rid. It's like bounty hunting, but with bots!

Windshadow_ESO

Just took a new alt into del's claim outside of VG and it was clean and provided a real challenge for a new level 6 NB no huge piles of dead end boss etc it played the way it was designed to play.

ZeBlade

its nice yet does nothing. I am right now in LLessan Tower. 4 were there..3 more just popped up as I was reporting. Tell them they will get banned and its "yeah right".. nothing. No gm's nothing. This is why I canceled.

eu SERVER

I have a week of free play left. If they can get this a tad more handled I will resub

7788b14_ESO

GM's should just flag bots for open pvp. :-)

raglau

Nothing like a good bot spanking session!

7788b14_ESO

AlliN wrote: »

Unfortunately, they only kill characters and remove them.

But they DO NOTHING WITH THE ACCOUNT.

When I saw it, I placed all bots on ignore list - and they are still there, I still can whisp them - after a WEEK.

Please do tell me, what good it does, apart from being a publicity stunt?

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

7788b14_ESO

The only way I've seen games really limit bots was buy selling currency themselves. Even this didn't stop it completely but it did put a hurt on them by undercutting their prices to make it just not worth it.

saki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syHnOCyKemo&feature=youtu.be

Running in circles. I managed to kill them few times but they respawn in nearby shrine and run strait here again and run in circles.

AlliN

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

So let's not ban them, becasue they MIGHT get a refund. What are you trying to say? Even if, is that an excuse to leave them be?

AlexDougherty

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

Not if they are breaking the Terms of Service, if they break the TOS then they can be banned without any recourse to a refund, because the TOS is a legal agreement.

babylon

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

Unfortunately, they only kill characters and remove them.

But they DO NOTHING WITH THE ACCOUNT.

When I saw it, I placed all bots on ignore list - and they are still there, I still can whisp them - after a WEEK.

Please do tell me, what good it does, apart from being a publicity stunt?

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

That would be ridiculous, but if it's the case then either bite the bullet and refund them (assuming it's actually their own credit card that was used to purchase the account), or move the bot accounts to their own instance of the server where we will never see them (also make it so they can only trade with other flagged bot accounts which are also on the special "bot server").

LunaRae

Aenima_pt wrote: »

So today i saw a system message about a Gamemaster that was going to send some BOTS back to Oblivion, and all we had to do was find a bot and /w the gamemaster in question reporting.

So I jumped in a dungeon to see if any BOT was farming and saw at least 1 BOT there, while i was getting ready to message the GM, the GM entered in the dungeon, leting everyone know he was a GM and was there to send the BOTS back to oblivion.

Was pretty awesome to see the Gamemaster Fahren using his powers and
getting the house clean, leaving the boss free of bots in a minute. So good job, and hope to see more GMs doing regular clean ups. Thumbs Up for Zenimax

So sexy Good stuff

UrQuan

babylon wrote: »

That would be ridiculous, but if it's the case then either bite the bullet and refund them (assuming it's actually their own credit card that was used to purchase the account), or move the bot accounts to their own instance of the server where we will never see them (also make it so they can only trade with other flagged bot accounts which are also on the special "bot server").

It would be pretty awesome if they did this, but the bot-specific instance was actually only Oblivion (just use Coldharbour), and didn't have any nodes to harvest, or any loot dropped off mobs or bosses. Also, by dying and being sent there (by being killed by a GM), they lose everything in their inventory and bank.

Pointless, yes, but it would be cool.

ijRoberts

I think they should reset their account back to the Coldharbour prison cell, but no one unlocks the door this time.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

So @ZOS ...... how much Exp does a bot give ?

raglau

AlexDougherty wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

Not if they are breaking the Terms of Service, if they break the TOS then they can be banned without any recourse to a refund, because the TOS is a legal agreement.

Not in the EU, ToS will be deemed unfair if it breaches consumer law. And the law would be quite clear here that if the service is denied you are entitled to a refund. ToS generally are considered worthless in the EU, as consumer protection is so strong and over arching.

But they should bite the bullet and refund them to get rid, otherwise people leave anyway.

raglau

Dúpe

Malediktus

babylon wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

Unfortunately, they only kill characters and remove them.

But they DO NOTHING WITH THE ACCOUNT.

When I saw it, I placed all bots on ignore list - and they are still there, I still can whisp them - after a WEEK.

Please do tell me, what good it does, apart from being a publicity stunt?

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

That would be ridiculous, but if it's the case then either bite the bullet and refund them (assuming it's actually their own credit card that was used to purchase the account), or move the bot accounts to their own instance of the server where we will never see them (also make it so they can only trade with other flagged bot accounts which are also on the special "bot server").

in EU ToS has no value if anything in it is against EU law, even if you agreed to it, infront court it will get ripped apart

Skeletun

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

GM's should just flag bots for open pvp. :-)

Actually I like this idea. Just flag the account as an open PvP account and the flag can be removed via petition to support.
Players would have fun killing bots and ZOS can work the bot problem without any worries about "refunding accounts". Win-Win!!

Reykice

squicker wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

Not if they are breaking the Terms of Service, if they break the TOS then they can be banned without any recourse to a refund, because the TOS is a legal agreement.

Not in the EU, ToS will be deemed unfair if it breaches consumer law. And the law would be quite clear here that if the service is denied you are entitled to a refund. ToS generally are considered worthless in the EU, as consumer protection is so strong and over arching.

But they should bite the bullet and refund them to get rid, otherwise people leave anyway.

By the name of the websites and their english my guess would be that most of them are not from the EU. And even if they are and ask for a refund ZOS can send them a message saying that if they ask for a refund ZOS will sue them for the damage they caused by botting.

Any bot runner in EU would also avoid starting a legal battle as then they might also get investigated by their country about the taxes they payed from the gains from botting and about how legal those gains are etc...

raglau

Possibly, but my point is that the GM is quite correct in what he says, so they are possibly considering the long term options. Personally think ZOS just suck it up and ban them regardless, in the long term they'll retain more legit clients to cover the cost of the refunds anyway.

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

squicker wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

A GM said in chat the other day that in some countries banned accounts are legally entitled to refunds.

Not if they are breaking the Terms of Service, if they break the TOS then they can be banned without any recourse to a refund, because the TOS is a legal agreement.

Not in the EU, ToS will be deemed unfair if it breaches consumer law. And the law would be quite clear here that if the service is denied you are entitled to a refund. ToS generally are considered worthless in the EU, as consumer protection is so strong and over arching.

But they should bite the bullet and refund them to get rid, otherwise people leave anyway.

By the name of the websites and their english my guess would be that most of them are not from the EU. And even if they are and ask for a refund ZOS can send them a message saying that if they ask for a refund ZOS will sue them for the damage they caused by botting.

Any bot runner in EU would also avoid starting a legal battle as then they might also get investigated by their country about the taxes they payed from the gains from botting and about how legal those gains are etc...

longbow66

It's unlikely that the bot accounts actually *paid* in first place, at least legally. I hate to say it, but actually putting money down in advance (like insurance) might be the best way to go forward in the future. This would eliminate credit cards from being used, but check cards and prepaid debit cards could be used. Being able to chargeback is a great feature for credit card holders, but it's abused by people like the scammers. Because the charge back amount is so low, it isn't worth "fighting", and is a huge drain on revenue (and profits). Basically, its the original amount, plus a 25-35 $ fee.

Siliconhobbit_ESO

If you ask me, instead of the GMs getting rid of the bots by their own hands on involvement, the GM's should be allowed to flag the bot accounts as hostile enemies, considering them as non-neutral NPCs or even PvP flagged.

I can tell you this, my vigilance in eradicating the bot menace would increase ten-fold if I could physically hunt down bots in game and kill them myself. I would even organize guild events where the entire community would go on a bot hunt, clearing every single cave of each and every one of them.

Mind you no loot or XP would be necessary for this. Perhaps an achievement scale for the number of bots killed. 5, 25, 50, 100, 500, 1000...etc etc.

Side Note: I'm not dissing the current involvement of GM's in regards to Bot-eradication, I love it. Rather...I'm just asking for players to be allowed in on the fun!

deheartb14_ESO

I had a thought.

Bots and Gold spammers are interlinked. Why not start flagging and kicking accounts, (not banning or locking) when they spam their advertisements. That way the few legitimate player who would trigger a kick would be able to get back into the game with no consequence. And the gold sellers would have the GM's attention and keep being kicked for spamming until they get banned by the GM's who are watching the suspect accounts.

And when the actual gold seller accounts start getting banned then eventually the botters that make the gold have no accounts to give the gold to.

Then if the botter accounts try gold spamming same thing, they get kicked and flagged etc, also.

*shrug* it might work or it might be a terrible idea, just throwing it out there. If nothing else it might help thin out all the gold sellers.

Hemipheistos

Thats how you "Drop da Hammer" !

Nice one...keep it on.

Aenima_pt

Ur-Quan wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

That would be ridiculous, but if it's the case then either bite the bullet and refund them (assuming it's actually their own credit card that was used to purchase the account), or move the bot accounts to their own instance of the server where we will never see them (also make it so they can only trade with other flagged bot accounts which are also on the special "bot server").

It would be pretty awesome if they did this, but the bot-specific instance was actually only Oblivion (just use Coldharbour), and didn't have any nodes to harvest, or any loot dropped off mobs or bosses. Also, by dying and being sent there (by being killed by a GM), they lose everything in their inventory and bank.

Pointless, yes, but it would be cool.

Not pointless, when i played Ultima Online, there was a dungeon with jails for cheaters, so if you got caught cheating, using bots or exploiting, for a certain amout of time, usually a week, you cold login in the game but you cold not leave your jail cell.

Think about the start of the game where you are in the jail cell but just thers no one there to open the door for you

Dolnor

I would love to see GMs back in the game cleaning bots. Been reporting them again but nothing happening. Same scriptings, same locations, same toons. I figure they wait until they have 1000 report then just mass-ban them. But 1 month later, they are all back running the same scripts in the same locations. -*(

TQQdles™

Mureel

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It is viable. It would just inconvenience you. Unfortunate but a price worth paying. Just buy the stuff your wife needs and give it to her. Doesn't cover everything I know but gold buying needs stamping out for the good of the game.

Yes, it sucks and should not need doing but to stop gold buying you have to stop gold being delivered. The two ways of gold delivery I know is gold transfer and false store sales - the whole flint sword for 10k thing.

Stop the ability of customers to receive the gold they buy and you kill the demand. If that means players cannot give gold to each other then that is the price.

And it goes without saying I want gold buyers perma banned and their gains destroyed.

Lame. So take legit players' freedom away over goldsellers? lol. How 'bout no.

Most goldsellers do this via buying a 1mil gold potato from a guild kiosk anyway.

Rohamad_Ali

InvitationNotFound

the necro in this thread is great.

still interesting to see that there were times when they actually cared about something. guess banning bots doesn't provide enough money in the long run.

btw. did you notice that there are new crown crates? please go ahead and waste your money there.