REMOVE SHIELD BREAKER !!!

Raudgrani

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

makes no sense. What will sorcs use if they remove shield stacking ? Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game. Shieldbreaker is a stupid mechanic.

You'd need to actually avoid damage, like these medium armor users, you know. "What!? I don't want to dodge!? I Don't want more than 5k stamina?! You noob!". Yeah, I don't want Magicka either, except for cloak. Thing with shieldstackers is, they tend to thread around in the open on their high hills - and spam their Magicka stuff on all the lowly people beneath them. Lazy ass sorcs need to kite, dodge, streak and keep mobile like anyone else - or put up with the like 1/300 players who really hate sorcs, and actually use Shieldbreaker. Why should sorcs have the privilege of being nearly impossible to harm?
There are plenty of sorcs around, without 100% purple health bars 100% of the time you know, and some of them are still pretty good.

Waylander07

Maybe sorcs need to learn how to counter shield breaker, ie dont use damage shields when you face someone using shield breaker. Should we also do away with the sentry set because it makes it harder for NBs to sneak up on opponents, i think not

As a MDK who has limited range ability, fighting a sorc can be a nightmare because as soon as you get close they steak away, heal quick and start hitting you at range again. I accept that it is part of the game and a weakness of the MDK class.

While the shieldbreaker set is great against those using dam shields it is not so good against those that doesen't so is it really that great a set that it should be discontinued. I think that there is more balance in the game now than there has been for a while. If the days when sorcs seemed untouchable because of their dam shield, are gone then i think that is an improvement in the gameplay.

WildWilbur

Really? Complaining sorcs? Brilliant...

Delimber

Shield Breaker seems like its only good against anyone spamming shields. So unless you are fighting a lot of shield stackers, its a waste of tel var to buy.

I've tried the set and hate it. Maybe if I augment it with another 5 piece set then maybe just maybe it'll be worth holding on to.

Deep_01

Shield breaker is easily healed. Get some healing and don't face-tank fight a werewolf. Dodge ranged light attacks. This is what I do (I play with hardened and healing ward only).

Zer0oo

WHY the necro????

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

Some players just want easy kills it doesn't matter if they use cheat engine, cost increase poisons or this sets. Bad players just want to feel good.

Biro123

Haven't seen anyone use it for a while now.
Anyways, since everybody hating on the poor ole sorcs on this thread and loving on the set are mentioning 'shieldstackers', perhaps change it so that its damage scales based on either the overall size of the shield or the number of shields..?

Less damage done vs, say a magblade with a single healing ward.. more damage done vs a sorc with a 3-shield stack.. same-ish on someone with 2 shields up... ?

olsborg

There are still ppl with triplestacks, and they can keep doing that for a very long time unless someone uses cost increase poisons on them.

Remove shieldstacking as a possibility and make it so shieldbreaker deals that 2k dmg to the actual shield per light atk. This imo would solve the issue imo.

Apherius

If they remove shield stacking, they need to make the choice interresting between Harness magicka and hardened ward, not like they did with Crystal ... making the choice interresting by nerfing a morph is the worst idea they ever had ( the worst part is that crystal blast is still awful )

Actually both are interresting, but one is a class skill while the other come from armor skill line ... one is very good for sustain and when the opponent use magicka skill, the second cost 1K less magicka and is slightly more powerful. It's pretty difficult to choice. and this is pretty sad to see that the difference between a shield that you get simply by wearing 5 light, and the shield that you summon by using Daedric energy/power ... is difficult to notice.

In this case they should buff the strenght of Hardened Ward and make it so it also add Major Sorcellery, then make Surge become a Heal - not a flying s...potatoe like the twilight matriarch - . A little buff to this shield which don't make it as strengh as the current " Harness magicka + hardened ward stacking" as well as Better ressource management or better damage or true class heal, seems fair.

Or, if you really want to make the Mag Sorc look like a Mag NB, because this is what will happend if they remove shield stacking ( both using a shield, both escaping [Cloak // Streak ] ) make them balanced at least and remove the cost increase from Streak ...

Didgerion

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

My magica sorc will be very happy if shield staking is removed and a proper heal is added instead.

With sets like Fortified Brass out there shield staking is a burden!

And on top of that what OP said.

TrinityBreaker

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Mmm werewolf with shieldbreaker, sorc salt for days.

I still use SB on my WW. So many times I've called a "skillless noob" for using that sexy set

ToRelax

Biro123 wrote: »

Haven't seen anyone use it for a while now.
Anyways, since everybody hating on the poor ole sorcs on this thread and loving on the set are mentioning 'shieldstackers', perhaps change it so that its damage scales based on either the overall size of the shield or the number of shields..?

Less damage done vs, say a magblade with a single healing ward.. more damage done vs a sorc with a 3-shield stack.. same-ish on someone with 2 shields up... ?

I've encountered plenty just the past week actually. At least I haven't seen it being used by a competent player for a long while, except for WWs.

Crom_CCCXVI

HOW ABOUT YOU PLAY AN ORIGINAL CLASS INSTEAD OF THE SHEILD STACKING META?

They already nerfed sheild breaker when they took it off the lighting staff- if your crying now, I would have loved to have destroyed you 6 months ago... heal, dodge roll, block... LOL, you can't handle one 2000 damage proc every few seconds?

mouton

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

I still use SB on my WW. So many times I've called a "skillless noob" for using that sexy set

Just for this reason, I like to play with it !

People complains because they cannot adapt. Well, Darwin was right i guess.

Knootewoot

I also hate it when i try to heal on my magblade using Ward and die anyway because of Shieldbreaker.

But i don't blame the set or the people who use it. I blame shieldstacking sorcs who make people use that set.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Hey zos I have an idea! Since you like nerfing solo pvp to the ground and you have already nerfed sorc more than enough! How about taking shield breaker out of the game finally. It doesn't make sense for someone to spam light attacks on you and kill you when that is the only line of defense a sorcerer has. If you don't want to remove it at least give it a 5 or 8 second cooldown along with knightslayer as well. BALANCE! It makes no sense that players can completely stack knightslayer and shieldbreaker with oblivion enchants together.

@ZOS_Wrobel

Can't you streak away

HoloYoitsu

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

HOW ABOUT YOU PLAY AN ORIGINAL CLASS INSTEAD OF THE SHEILD STACKING META?

They already nerfed sheild breaker when they took it off the lighting staff- if your crying now, I would have loved to have destroyed you 6 months ago... heal, dodge roll, block... LOL, you can't handle one 2000 damage proc every few seconds?

Spotted the shield breaker crutcher.

Spouting off on how dope you were back when SB proc'd on every lightning staff heavy atk tick isn't really the kinda thing to be proud of.

Biro123

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

HOW ABOUT YOU PLAY AN ORIGINAL CLASS INSTEAD OF THE SHEILD STACKING META?

They already nerfed sheild breaker when they took it off the lighting staff- if your crying now, I would have loved to have destroyed you 6 months ago... heal, dodge roll, block... LOL, you can't handle one 2000 damage proc every few seconds?

every few seconds...lol..

Try every 0.6 seconds.

And to answer the question - yes, if the guy is alone so I have time to both heal and shield and attack - but as soon as there is one more opponent - SB or not, the pressure on shields (which is usually bearable with the odd cd to escape/cc/counter thrown in) is unbearable with sb because of the cd's you have to use healing too. it forces something to give - either health or shields. If shields give, the other player has you dead in seconds.
It is nothing but a zerg-enabler against a class that already struggles when outnumbered.

All it needs it a big arrow over the user's head so I can spot, target and drop him in 3 seconds. Cos all sb users are complete potatoes who don't know how to defend.

There.. I feel better now :-)

ToRelax

Biro123 wrote: »

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

HOW ABOUT YOU PLAY AN ORIGINAL CLASS INSTEAD OF THE SHEILD STACKING META?

They already nerfed sheild breaker when they took it off the lighting staff- if your crying now, I would have loved to have destroyed you 6 months ago... heal, dodge roll, block... LOL, you can't handle one 2000 damage proc every few seconds?

every few seconds...lol..

Try every 0.6 seconds.

And to answer the question - yes, if the guy is alone so I have time to both heal and shield and attack - but as soon as there is one more opponent - SB or not, the pressure on shields (which is usually bearable with the odd cd to escape/cc/counter thrown in) is unbearable with sb because of the cd's you have to use healing too. it forces something to give - either health or shields. If shields give, the other player has you dead in seconds.
It is nothing but a zerg-enabler against a class that already struggles when outnumbered.

All it needs it a big arrow over the user's head so I can spot, target and drop him in 3 seconds. Cos all sb users are complete potatoes who don't know how to defend.

There.. I feel better now :-)

Then I could finally see who is using it on my side and leave them to die as well.

Starlight_Knight

i agree shield breaker is broken. it needs to be removed! yes its easy to counter in a 1 v 1 but its so broken when there are a few players on you and your trying to line of sight or escape from a zerg. To see 5 of the same skill in death recap is broken, this is why un-dodgable cliff racer was removed.
PLEASE REMOVE SHIELD BREAKER!"

Lord_Invel

Okay make shieldbreaker have a cooldown like oblivion enchants do please!!! This is ridiculous, it doesn't counter shields it negates them completely. give it a 5 or 4 second cooldown. This is ridiculous!!!

IZZEFlameLash

It's a cute set though.

midgetfromtheshire

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Okay make shieldbreaker have a cooldown like oblivion enchants do please!!! This is ridiculous, it doesn't counter shields it negates them completely. give it a 5 or 4 second cooldown. This is ridiculous!!!

Then we should make shields have a cost increase like streak. It's to also stop sorcs from shield stacking.

OdinForge

If I'm going to be Xv1d by anything I'd prefer it to be shield breaker, because at least those players tend to be easier kills than someone in a strong meta setup.

They're slotting shield breaker out of desperation and as a perk if you tab target them, you can see their rage behind LOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiNP5Jz-pBI

Thunderknuckles

Just started to use this set out sheer curiosity and....I'm really not seeing it being too spectacular. lol It's not like it takes down shield stackers in 3 or 4 simple light attacks.

CompM4s

Doesnt need a nerf. That build is crazy specific to one build but lacks against others. I dont see to many of them running around, but they sure do make things interesting when a sorc stacks shields.

Emma_Overload

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Just started to use this set out sheer curiosity and....I'm really not seeing it being too spectacular. lol It's not like it takes down shield stackers in 3 or 4 simple light attacks.

Players who use the set effectively weave skills in between the light attacks. It's impossible to outheal using a normal Sorc load out.

Minalan

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Just started to use this set out sheer curiosity and....I'm really not seeing it being too spectacular. lol It's not like it takes down shield stackers in 3 or 4 simple light attacks.

You’re right, It’s not three of four hits, but you also need some oblivion enchants as well so they both go through at the same time.

Thunderknuckles

Minalan wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Just started to use this set out sheer curiosity and....I'm really not seeing it being too spectacular. lol It's not like it takes down shield stackers in 3 or 4 simple light attacks.

You’re right, It’s not three of four hits, but you also need some oblivion enchants as well so they both go through at the same time.

Hmmmmmmm! Wellll now, I may just get me some of those when I log in later.

Minalan

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Just started to use this set out sheer curiosity and....I'm really not seeing it being too spectacular. lol It's not like it takes down shield stackers in 3 or 4 simple light attacks.

You’re right, It’s not three of four hits, but you also need some oblivion enchants as well so they both go through at the same time.

Hmmmmmmm! Wellll now, I may just get me some of those when I log in later.

The Sorc can counter it by just using power surge and either mutagen or the Resto staff ultimate as a heal instead of healing ward. You can’t out damage the total healing ticks with light attacks and an enchant before the Sorc just kills you.

The only time shieldbreaker is really nasty/upsetting is when the wielder is using a bow from the back of a Zerg where you can’t reach him. But if outnumbered that badly, the Sorc is probably going to eat dirt anyways.

I don’t get why so many Sorcs are butthurt about shieldbreaker. The set is bad. The traits are bad. The people using it are usually bad. The Sorcs they kill don’t know how to counter it.

If you want to kill Sorcs use cost poisons, equip Zaan, and spam gap closers.