REMOVE SHIELD BREAKER !!!

Lord_Invel

enzoisadog wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game.

The only reason why I run Shieldbreaker sometimes is because there are always sorcs trying to Xv1 me.
Its the same thing as mark, flare and detect pots countering cloak.

bro you can actually beat mag sorcs in 1v1 senarios cause you are an experienced player and kick ass nightblade. Others just cry saying mag sorc is op. However, when I interrogate the person whos constantly crying about the sorc class it comes to light that they don't know much about any class at all let alone the sorc class. So why should we take their words seriously at all if they keep [snip] and crying. Even when I ask them to show me how op mag sorc is in a duel sorc vs sorc they only last like 5 seconds against me cause they spew rhetorical garbage and repeat the mantra that sorcs are just an op class rather than face actual facts that they aren't good at the game yet and still need much to learn.

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visionality

Lord_Invel wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game.

The only reason why I run Shieldbreaker sometimes is because there are always sorcs trying to Xv1 me.
Its the same thing as mark, flare and detect pots countering cloak.

bro you can actually beat mag sorcs in 1v1 senarios cause you are an experienced player and kick ass nightblade. Others just cry saying mag sorc is op. However, when I interrogate the person whos constantly crying about the sorc class it comes to light that they don't know much about any class at all let alone the sorc class. So why should we take their words seriously at all if they keep [snip] and crying. Even when I ask them to show me how op mag sorc is in a duel sorc vs sorc they only last like 5 seconds against me cause they spew rhetorical garbage and repeat the mantra that sorcs are just an op class rather than face actual facts that they aren't good at the game yet and still need much to learn.

Have to agree. If you actually PVP (and not only whine about it) you know that the "kill enemy sorcerers"-killquest is one of the fastest to accomplish. And not because there are so many sorcs around (actually its the DKs that exist in abundance). How does that fact fit in with "no-brainer to play" and "totally OP", as so many wannabe experts claim?

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Garwulf

You can have shield breaker removed when I can have back the following;
1) Chain fools of walls.
2) Dragon leap better than I can shield charge. i.e. return to original mechanism
3) Ash cloud returned too original mechanism.


Not happening? Then no you cannot have shield breaker removed .

Johnfred24

Garwulf wrote: »

You can have shield breaker removed when I can have back the following;
1) Chain fools of walls.
2) Dragon leap better than I can shield charge. i.e. return to original mechanism
3) Ash cloud returned too original mechanism.


Not happening? Then no you cannot have shield breaker removed .

Such a stupid argument... "I'm salty about this and that and that's why you can't have what you want"

Either you agree that shield breaker should be removed or not. And if all those changes are relevant to how you form your opinion at least tell us how they are relevant.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

No.

Dojohoda

ESO provides us with armor sets for counterplay. Those types of sets are niche and the player choosing to use the set is potentially losing out on a better 5-piece bonus.

Counterplay is important. Regarding this topic, "Remove Shield Breaker !!!" (All caps), ...... well, the set is counterplay and it needs to exist in the game. Some people are going to use it.

Biro123

enzoisadog wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game.

The only reason why I run Shieldbreaker sometimes is because there are always sorcs trying to Xv1 me.
Its the same thing as mark, flare and detect pots countering cloak.

it is and it isn't..

Magblade has access to cloak and shields and decent background heals. Mark only removes one of those defences.

Sorc gets shields, shields and poor background heals.. SB removes 2 and overpowers the third.

Some ppl rely on cloak cause they run low recovery or for example a ganker that has no defense besides cloak

Oh, I know that(playing one now), but the point I was making is that magblade doesn't have to build that way to be viable.
Sorc doesn't have a choice.

Feanor

Dojohoda wrote: »

ESO provides us with armor sets for counterplay. Those types of sets are niche and the player choosing to use the set is potentially losing out on a better 5-piece bonus.

Counterplay is important. Regarding this topic, "Remove Shield Breaker !!!" (All caps), ...... well, the set is counterplay and it needs to exist in the game. Some people are going to use it.

There is a difference between counterplay and a hard counter though.

Urza1234

Alpheu5 wrote: »

On topic, Shieldbreaker is outrageously annoying because there's no way to counter its effects once your shields are up and they start firing. If anything (and to make it better fit the "breaker" part of its name) it should make light and heavy attacks deal considerable damage to the wards themselves instead of applying directly to health.

Probably would be an acceptable change, its kind of awkward watching someone die with 10k shields still on them.

Beardimus

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

They already did, with Morrowind cost increases. No one triple stacks now.

Beardimus

And OP I'm fine with this set. If scrubs think they need a set to take on a Sorc then let them, they are losing out against all the non warded players. Their loss.

Derra

Beardimus wrote: »

And OP I'm fine with this set. If scrubs think they need a set to take on a Sorc then let them, they are losing out against all the non warded players. Their loss.

Your options are:
Stay in sneak and only attack warded players.
Equip the set only with a hotkey when you´re going to fight warded players (for PC).
Run in a zerg where a theoretical disadvantage is diminished by numerical advantage (also when fighting enemy zergs there are always warded players to attack).

I´m not buying the hypothetical disadvantage against nonwarded players - because it´s too easy to circumvent entirely

Zer0oo

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

Ethos

PC eu, i already see some Sorc running this SB set .. worst and worst.

Zer0oo

Ethos wrote: »

PC eu, i already see some Sorc running this SB set .. worst and worst.

If you mean the sorc tank on ep. Just kill him and tbag him and enjoy the flood of hate whispers you get

Luckylancer

ZoS, pls remove magelight, expert hunter and detect pots. They can deal aoe dmg to reveal already so why so many skills to see invis.

After fixing that you can do something about this templar purge, they remove all my dots. And that make me cry ZOS!
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Guys, mag sorcs are at everwhere and there is a 1 solid set to counter shield mechanic. Sets like shieldbreaker are needed. If there was a anti block set/ability in this game, we would not dealing with perma block tanks in PvP 7/24 but we would deal with them in forums because they would cry all day.

SquareSausage

Off topic but can jewellery be purchased in blue, and purple and not just gold?

Lucky28

at the end of the day. shield breaker is an Xv1 set. i have no problem with it being removed.

Anazasi

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

Ball of Lightning

(Morph)
Transform yourself into pure energy and flash forward, dealing [x] Shock Damage stunning enemies near origin location for 2 seconds. Also absorbs any spell projectiles directed at you for 1.8 seconds.
Casting again within 4 seconds cost 50% more Magicka.
Absorbs projectiles.

Guess i was off on the type of absorption only works on spell projectiles.

ToRelax

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

This. It should give a % increase to dmg done against shields. Punishes shield stacking, doesn't effect small shields a lot. Doesn't hardcounter defensive skills + mitigation + heals.

Anazasi wrote: »

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

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A_G_G_R_O

And remove Kyne

Knootewoot

Remove all skills and armors sets so we only have to light and heavy attack naked players.

Anazasi

ToRelax wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

This. It should give a % increase to dmg done against shields. Punishes shield stacking, doesn't effect small shields a lot. Doesn't hardcounter defensive skills + mitigation + heals.

Anazasi wrote: »

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

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I've not seen a magic sorc EMP in a long time but when you run across the next one you will wish and pray for this set to be present in game and being used by several players. If not well good luck you will be farmed.

Malamar1229

It's makes 1vX very difficult in an already difficult environment. It's a garbage set for garbage players. You get your biggest bang for your buck with healing ward at a point that is also dangerous against shield breaker...yes there are counters but with all the staples required no one in their right mind is going to build for shield breaker.
Right now my crutch defense is fighting cheese with cheese (lights champion). If LC isn't up, it's usually GG.

Anazasi

Well we all have our opinions. When will the desire to nerf the CP on this as well begin?

Drummerx04

Anazasi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

This. It should give a % increase to dmg done against shields. Punishes shield stacking, doesn't effect small shields a lot. Doesn't hardcounter defensive skills + mitigation + heals.

Anazasi wrote: »

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

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I've not seen a magic sorc EMP in a long time but when you run across the next one you will wish and pray for this set to be present in game and being used by several players. If not well good luck you will be farmed.

I was recently a sorc emp a few times in Vivec, and I did in fact get zerged down by a pack of shieldbreaker werewolves.

Emp buffs were pretty sweet, without really going out of my way to stack magicka, I was just shy of 70k, and had a 32k Hardened+Harness stack, cfrag hit softer players upwards of 18k. However at the end of the day, the only AoE I really had to work with was destro and proxy... which is effective as emp for sure.

But I would hardly consider magsorc emp OP when compared to a warden emp. Shalk+DB every 10 seconds... or permatrees+50% healing taken... powerful sleet storms constantly. Just no.

Anazasi

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

This. It should give a % increase to dmg done against shields. Punishes shield stacking, doesn't effect small shields a lot. Doesn't hardcounter defensive skills + mitigation + heals.

Anazasi wrote: »

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

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I've not seen a magic sorc EMP in a long time but when you run across the next one you will wish and pray for this set to be present in game and being used by several players. If not well good luck you will be farmed.

I was recently a sorc emp a few times in Vivec, and I did in fact get zerged down by a pack of shieldbreaker werewolves.

Emp buffs were pretty sweet, without really going out of my way to stack magicka, I was just shy of 70k, and had a 32k Hardened+Harness stack, cfrag hit softer players upwards of 18k. However at the end of the day, the only AoE I really had to work with was destro and proxy... which is effective as emp for sure.

But I would hardly consider magsorc emp OP when compared to a warden emp. Shalk+DB every 10 seconds... or permatrees+50% healing taken... powerful sleet storms constantly. Just no.

I remember meth as emp before warden just after IC came out. It was a very very tough class to kill and with the skill level of meth which made it even harder. If it weren't for shield breaker it would have taken a full 24 man to kill him. I think a lot of players forget that all those sets from last year have not been re balanced since introduction. Yeah maybe some adjustments are needed but ZOS isn't going to do anything with old content that works as intended. At best that set is a 1vx set and if a few snipes want to run it no one is going to concern themselves with it.

Drummerx04

Anazasi wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

This. It should give a % increase to dmg done against shields. Punishes shield stacking, doesn't effect small shields a lot. Doesn't hardcounter defensive skills + mitigation + heals.

Anazasi wrote: »

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

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I've not seen a magic sorc EMP in a long time but when you run across the next one you will wish and pray for this set to be present in game and being used by several players. If not well good luck you will be farmed.

I was recently a sorc emp a few times in Vivec, and I did in fact get zerged down by a pack of shieldbreaker werewolves.

Emp buffs were pretty sweet, without really going out of my way to stack magicka, I was just shy of 70k, and had a 32k Hardened+Harness stack, cfrag hit softer players upwards of 18k. However at the end of the day, the only AoE I really had to work with was destro and proxy... which is effective as emp for sure.

But I would hardly consider magsorc emp OP when compared to a warden emp. Shalk+DB every 10 seconds... or permatrees+50% healing taken... powerful sleet storms constantly. Just no.

I remember meth as emp before warden just after IC came out. It was a very very tough class to kill and with the skill level of meth which made it even harder. If it weren't for shield breaker it would have taken a full 24 man to kill him. I think a lot of players forget that all those sets from last year have not been re balanced since introduction. Yeah maybe some adjustments are needed but ZOS isn't going to do anything with old content that works as intended. At best that set is a 1vx set and if a few snipes want to run it no one is going to concern themselves with it.

My understanding of that time was the recent introduction of uncapped CP, and Meth had over 1000 CP at the time as well as a good guild group to help him while most people had < 300 CP. A bunch of sorc skills and shields have been reworked as well since that time.

Maybe I misunderstood the situation, but if not then it's not a good parallel.

ToRelax

Anazasi wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

Another thread complaining about shieldbreaker and the same discussion again...



Long story short: they will never nerf it since player want an easy way to beat other players and the devs version of balance is quite often questionable. And no you can not out heal it and it is not really a bad set since all other bonuses are quite good and there are enough ppl needing to use a shield so you actually can always pick a target with a shield.



Everyone knows the sets is extremely overpowered especial against sorcs but not only:

• It counters the class defense of sorcs
• It counters the armour defense of light armour
• It counters the big heal of restro staff

So that even stam nb understand how strong it is. Here an example how a set would look like that will counter stam nb the same way:

5. bonus:
The enemy can no longer cloak(class defense) or dodge attacks(medium armor defensive) and as long you have viger or rally(heals of stam chars) up you take 2.5k oblivion damage per light attack

This. It should give a % increase to dmg done against shields. Punishes shield stacking, doesn't effect small shields a lot. Doesn't hardcounter defensive skills + mitigation + heals.

Anazasi wrote: »

I could be wrong here but isn't the other morph of streak, the ball lightning suppose to intercept projectiles? Seems to me that if shield breaker is an issue and you notice you are being attacked by someone using it than escape is the most logical option and in order to further that escape wouldn't it make more sense to use that morph over streak. I'm just thinking here.

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I've not seen a magic sorc EMP in a long time but when you run across the next one you will wish and pray for this set to be present in game and being used by several players. If not well good luck you will be farmed.

So from haveing no clue how important abilities work you went on to suggest we consider Sorc emps for balance when discussing Shieldbreaker? Because you couldn't beat them otherwise?

Regardless, the last magSorc emp I came across, I 1vX'd. So much for that.

Universe

There is a need to change the Shield Breaker set.
I don't think that removing this set entirely will be good, it is a bit of overkill solution.

The current function of Shield Breaker:
"(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack against a Player with a damage shield, you deal an additional 2150 Oblivion Damage to them."

My suggestion is that it should be the following instead:
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack against a Player with a damage shield, you deal an additional 2150 Oblivion Damage to them, 3 seconds cooldown.

This set is good against shield stacking sorcerers but it needs some adjusting so it won't be OP.
Currently this set is overperforming.
Can you please consider adding a cooldown(between 2-4 seconds) to this set @ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno ?