REMOVE SHIELD BREAKER !!!

Subversus

People saying sorcs are OP in 2017 OmegaLUL

No really anyone who claims sorcs are op should l2p lmfaooo

_Salty_

Sorc tears are my favorite.

Lord_Invel

Subversus wrote: »

People saying sorcs are OP in 2017 OmegaLUL

No really anyone who claims sorcs are op should l2p lmfaooo

Amen especially with the frag cc nerf, how on earth is sorc op. I still get people QQing saying that sorc is op even AFTER THE FRAG STUN REMOVAL. Like at what point do we reach until we can say people just need to l2p, how many more nerfs do I need on my class for people to realize that they just need to practice a bit and get better or make a more efficient build for Heavens sake.

How on earth do people still complain about the sorc class it beats me dude. People complain about shields well I can complain about Rally crits ive seen like 18k heals from rally alone and 4k to 5k vigors on stam dk and stam warden. Their healings are god tier levels how come people don't complain about those defensive mechanics but they complain about shields.

geonsocal

what would be a good monster set to pair with shieldbreaker & knight slayer?

would oblivion enchants really work better than resource cost poisons?

Drummerx04

Qbiken wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Mmm werewolf with shieldbreaker, sorc salt for days.

So many whispers I´ve got with WW+SB xD

I will stop using SB when ZOS balance shieldstacking.

Lol, I'd like to introduce you to a couple stamplars I've met that hear, "shield stacking sorc," and immediately think, "cool free AP"

Drummerx04

By the way, I commented on shieldbreaker before without even asking for its outright removal, and the sorc haters came out of the woodwork.

TazESO

Lolz

Publius_Scipio

*Lord Invel's little brother becomes emperor*

*Little Invel banishes big brother and Micah Waterlow from Tamriel*

Qbiken

Subversus wrote: »

People saying sorcs are OP in 2017 OmegaLUL

No really anyone who claims sorcs are op should l2p lmfaooo

I´ve seen some really good sorcs that thinks shieldstacking at the moment is stupid and is overperforming....

My solution to it:

Make non-class specific shields unable to stack, but let class-specific shields be able to stack. That would mean you can´t stack annulment, healing ward, boneshield with class-specific shields. To compensate buff the class-specific shields such as hardened ward, igneous shield, sun/blazing shield etc.

Ackwalan

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

makes no sense. What will sorcs use if they remove shield stacking ? Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game. Shieldbreaker is a stupid mechanic.

Long story short. You counter shieldbreaker by being a good player and actually practice at playing the game.

Lord_Invel

Ackwalan wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

makes no sense. What will sorcs use if they remove shield stacking ? Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game. Shieldbreaker is a stupid mechanic.

Long story short. You counter shieldbreaker by being a good player and actually practice at playing the game.

ok so you get on a mag sorc and I will play a nightblade that spams light attacks against you with shieldbreaker on see how well you will do in that situation.

Ackwalan

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

makes no sense. What will sorcs use if they remove shield stacking ? Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game. Shieldbreaker is a stupid mechanic.

Long story short. You counter shieldbreaker by being a good player and actually practice at playing the game.

ok so you get on a mag sorc and I will play a nightblade that spams light attacks against you with shieldbreaker on see how well you will do in that situation.

I'd use bolt escape, and fight on better ground.

Subversus

Qbiken wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

People saying sorcs are OP in 2017 OmegaLUL

No really anyone who claims sorcs are op should l2p lmfaooo

I´ve seen some really good sorcs that thinks shieldstacking at the moment is stupid and is overperforming....

My solution to it:

Make non-class specific shields unable to stack, but let class-specific shields be able to stack. That would mean you can´t stack annulment, healing ward, boneshield with class-specific shields. To compensate buff the class-specific shields such as hardened ward, igneous shield, sun/blazing shield etc.

I do agree shieldstacking is ridiculously stupid, but by no means make sorc OP. In my opinion hardened shouldn't be able to be stacked with harness. I'm fine with stacking healing ward with hardned (or healing with harness like we magblades did for ages) and it would be fine, but stacking harness and hardned is just ***.

Zbigb4life

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Maikon but if they nerf shield stacking I want frags retaining the stun and streak being buffed up SO MUCH THAT I CAN FLY TO HEAVEN. And bound aegis to be buffed as well cause that isn't fair if they nerf our only defensive mechanic it makes no sense.

But don't you already fly to heaven when you die in PVP ??? Sorry it was to easy to let go

Biro123

Ackwalan wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Then they better remove shield stacking as well.

makes no sense. What will sorcs use if they remove shield stacking ? Shields are a sorc class skill you don't counter that by adding shieldbreaker and oblivion mechanics. You counter it by being a good player and actually practicing at playing the game. Shieldbreaker is a stupid mechanic.

Long story short. You counter shieldbreaker by being a good player and actually practice at playing the game.

ok so you get on a mag sorc and I will play a nightblade that spams light attacks against you with shieldbreaker on see how well you will do in that situation.

I'd use bolt escape, and fight on better ground.

Then you'd just lose on better ground.

Feanor

@Biro123

Not when better ground just means reaching your allies

Biro123

Yep..

How to beat shieldbreaker....

1. Run away.
2. Run away some more (he WILL chase. ALL shieldbreaker users really, I mean really hate sorcs)
3. Run away some more - till he's the only one left chasing (they are never alone).
4. Pop resto ult and hope he's such a bad player (most shieldbreaker users are) that you can kill him in 5 seconds.
5. If he's more than 10% the player you are, respawn and go fight the other faction instead (other wise he will repeatedly hunt you down)

Lord_Invel

Zbigb4life wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Maikon but if they nerf shield stacking I want frags retaining the stun and streak being buffed up SO MUCH THAT I CAN FLY TO HEAVEN. And bound aegis to be buffed as well cause that isn't fair if they nerf our only defensive mechanic it makes no sense.

But don't you already fly to heaven when you die in PVP ??? Sorry it was to easy to let go

I mean when I have 20+ people chasing me out of pure spite rather than defend their own keep and fight off another zerg, and I'm solo of course I would probably die lol.

Feanor

Biro123 wrote: »

Yep..

How to beat shieldbreaker....

1. Run away.
2. Run away some more (he WILL chase. ALL shieldbreaker users really, I mean really hate sorcs)
3. Run away some more - till he's the only one left chasing (they are never alone).
4. Pop resto ult and hope he's such a bad player (most shieldbreaker users are) that you can kill him in 5 seconds.
5. If he's more than 10% the player you are, respawn and go fight the other faction instead (other wise he will repeatedly hunt you down)

You missed...

6. Salty ragewhispers about cheating and hacking while being on the ez mode class when you do beat him

Maryal

The spoiler below contains the most eloquent and on-point responses I've ever seen regarding the shield breaker set.

"how powerful shieldbreaker set, No other proc set is remotely that powerful against you.
But also, no other proc set fails to do anything if the target isn't shielded.

If you look at it from the viewpoint of a shieldstacker, its "omg 100% proc rate". But that's not how the set is balanced. Look at it instead from the viewpoint of the attacker using the set. Suddenly the proc rate isn't 100% anymore. It varies with what opponents he fights, and how they behave.

If half of the opponents he fights are shielded, then his set's proc rate is only 50%. If all he finds is stamblades, his set's procrate is 0%.

In short, he sacrifices his overall firepower in exchange for more firepower against you. That's the "100%" shieldbreaker tradeoff, that's how it is balanced."

The above quote was written by @Sharee (see link below)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376416/shield-breaker-proc-set-has-broken-missing-cooldown#latest

Biro123

Maryal wrote: »

The spoiler below contains the most eloquent and on-point responses I've ever seen regarding the shield breaker set.

"how powerful shieldbreaker set, No other proc set is remotely that powerful against you.
But also, no other proc set fails to do anything if the target isn't shielded.

If you look at it from the viewpoint of a shieldstacker, its "omg 100% proc rate". But that's not how the set is balanced. Look at it instead from the viewpoint of the attacker using the set. Suddenly the proc rate isn't 100% anymore. It varies with what opponents he fights, and how they behave.

If half of the opponents he fights are shielded, then his set's proc rate is only 50%. If all he finds is stamblades, his set's procrate is 0%.

In short, he sacrifices his overall firepower in exchange for more firepower against you. That's the "100%" shieldbreaker tradeoff, that's how it is balanced."

The above quote was written by @Sharee (see link below)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376416/shield-breaker-proc-set-has-broken-missing-cooldown#latest

Which is all good - and bad.. I mean when shielding is a necessary part of your defence it is by far the most powerful proc-set you will ever see - but the above is written with the assumption that PVP is a bunch of random 1v1s where you get what you're given.

My experience of SB users is that they are always in zerg vs zerg fights (which is fine) - but that also means that there are ALWAYS shield-users for them to target.

They are almost always NB's which kind of suggest stealth as part of their gameplay. What is to stop them, lest say if solo ganking, from using wardrobe addons to instantly switch gear depending on their opponent. Ooo look - here comes a magsorc... 'click' shieldbreaker equipped.!

I mean I do understand that the 5-piece isn't always active against all opponents - but its a terrible, terrible mechanic.

Qbiken

Biro123 wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

The spoiler below contains the most eloquent and on-point responses I've ever seen regarding the shield breaker set.

"how powerful shieldbreaker set, No other proc set is remotely that powerful against you.
But also, no other proc set fails to do anything if the target isn't shielded.

If you look at it from the viewpoint of a shieldstacker, its "omg 100% proc rate". But that's not how the set is balanced. Look at it instead from the viewpoint of the attacker using the set. Suddenly the proc rate isn't 100% anymore. It varies with what opponents he fights, and how they behave.

If half of the opponents he fights are shielded, then his set's proc rate is only 50%. If all he finds is stamblades, his set's procrate is 0%.

In short, he sacrifices his overall firepower in exchange for more firepower against you. That's the "100%" shieldbreaker tradeoff, that's how it is balanced."

The above quote was written by @Sharee (see link below)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/376416/shield-breaker-proc-set-has-broken-missing-cooldown#latest

Which is all good - and bad.. I mean when shielding is a necessary part of your defence it is by far the most powerful proc-set you will ever see - but the above is written with the assumption that PVP is a bunch of random 1v1s where you get what you're given.

My experience of SB users is that they are always in zerg vs zerg fights (which is fine) - but that also means that there are ALWAYS shield-users for them to target.

They are almost always NB's which kind of suggest stealth as part of their gameplay. What is to stop them, lest say if solo ganking, from using wardrobe addons to instantly switch gear depending on their opponent. Ooo look - here comes a magsorc... 'click' shieldbreaker equipped.!

I mean I do understand that the 5-piece isn't always active against all opponents - but its a terrible, terrible mechanic.

Don´t forget the solo WW-player with shieldbreaker xD

MrCommunity

Biro123 wrote: »

Yep..

How to beat shieldbreaker....


2. Run away some more (he WILL chase. ALL shieldbreaker users really, I mean really hate sorcs)

this one sums up why I use shieldbreaker, just cant stand Magsorcs. maybe its a L2p issue but I only really struggled 1V1 with Magsorcs. infused SB bow stacked with an oblivion enchantment really does do wonders. in all fairness the 5th bonus is useless against any other class, but it is a fair counter to shields IMO. if you don't want to have it used against you, don't use shields, its as easy as that.

Apache_Kid

"Remove the one hard counter in the game for the playstyle that i play!!!"

You already main the easiest class in the game. What more could you possibly ask for?

Feanor

Because there shouldn’t be hard counters to any class in the game in the first place? Would you like a mechanic that entirely ignored all Healing or all blocking or all dodging? Because that’s what Shieldbreaker is - disabling a class defining defense.

But if you’re so desperate you need a 5 pc crutch to beat a Sorc Balance discussions probably aren’t the place you should be.

MrCommunity

Feanor wrote: »

Because there shouldn’t be hard counters to any class in the game in the first place? Would you like a mechanic that entirely ignored all Healing or all blocking or all dodging? Because that’s what Shieldbreaker is - disabling a class defining defense.

But if you’re so desperate you need a 5 pc crutch to beat a Sorc Balance discussions probably aren’t the place you should be.

so remove invisibility detection pots while were at it, SMH. speaking from a nightblade perspective, everyone of those mechanics you mentioned I have a way to get through. except shields, there are no counters for the Sorcs who can keep shields up at all times.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

LOL, another Nerf thread.

Maikon

Feanor wrote: »

Because there shouldn’t be hard counters to any class in the game in the first place? Would you like a mechanic that entirely ignored all Healing or all blocking or all dodging? Because that’s what Shieldbreaker is - disabling a class defining defense.

But if you’re so desperate you need a 5 pc crutch to beat a Sorc Balance discussions probably aren’t the place you should be.

How is a single shield ability a class defining defense? Do you not wear any armor?

Feanor

MrCommunity wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Because there shouldn’t be hard counters to any class in the game in the first place? Would you like a mechanic that entirely ignored all Healing or all blocking or all dodging? Because that’s what Shieldbreaker is - disabling a class defining defense.

But if you’re so desperate you need a 5 pc crutch to beat a Sorc Balance discussions probably aren’t the place you should be.

so remove invisibility detection pots while were at it, SMH. speaking from a nightblade perspective, everyone of those mechanics you mentioned I have a way to get through. except shields, there are no counters for the Sorcs who can keep shields up at all times.

Well, as @Apache_Kid so eloquently put it: Just don’t use cloak, it’s as easy as that. See?

White wabbit

My favourite set so no