Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

Rickter

Kartalin wrote: »

Pugs seem to instantly lay down siege everywhere you go now. We’ve found that out in Vivec too. It’s like they don’t want to learn how to fight anymore, and are too scared to come out (while they still have free respawns no less) unless they outnumber us by at least 3 to 1. It gets pretty frustrating at times.

thats unfortunate. Seems like it is the "new thing" these days and made more effective in noCP. which again, makes me sad and worried.

You cant blame all the PUGs though. How many true Raid Leaders are left in this game? who can manage a group size up to 20 if not beyond? So many have left because its hard work, frustrating, enemies within and without and hard to maintain.

Despite the zergs, true Large Scale PvP is going the way of the buffalo. I dont blame the game, the game hasnt changed, Leaders get burnt out.

Raise your hand if its like pulling teeth to get people to wear a tabard or join discord/voip channel.

And if youre older than 27 years old, I'd hope you were trying to focus on a family/career. Leaders are disappearing and the PUGs are running amuck with /zone warriors as their only source of leadership. challenged to face a coordinated group essentially on their own, yeah i can see why laying down siege is the first order of business.

Joshlenoir

Adenoma wrote: »

@Joshlenoir , I don't think that's a super productive attitude. A lot of us do have problems with folks leaving Sotha because they can't play Vivec. I know that in my case Sotha's my best offer because I literally can't get more than 15-20 FPS in Vivec starting at around 2pm EST and I literally can't load the campaign during primetime. So to me, it really kills my PvP and fun when folks leave the campaign to play Vivec/PvE.

You're a good PvPer, but you aren't good enough to make folks want to leave. You're just acting selfish and toxic enough to motivate the switch.

The last statement was clearly a joke but thank you for your irrelevant evaluation of my PvP ability.
Please tell me again what obligation I have to want others to stay? I'm not telling anyone to leave but people have free will. If one person makes someone want to leave a campaign I don't know what to tell you. I'm not being selfish by not caring whether people leave because that's completely out of my hands. I'm here to PvP, the politics concerning it are irrelevant as they should be. Multiple campaigns exist for a reason and it's not up to me to make vivec an enjoyable alternative or sothasil a place people want to stay in.

Humphie

I don't understand why people don't use the ignore function on the forums.

Don't feed the troll.

Joshlenoir

Rickter wrote: »

who can manage a group size up to 20 if not beyond?

I think I found your problem

Joshlenoir

Humphie wrote: »

I don't understand why people don't use the ignore function on the forums.

Don't feed the troll.

It's very convenient to dismiss those you don't like as trolls. I agree with you though, some people need to complain less, and ignore more. Life gets a lot better.

Adenoma

He's not a troll, he's just immature.

The idea that it doesn't matter how toxic someone behaves because there are other campaigns just doesn't fly with me. It's kind of like littering and saying, "well that ground over there is fine."

Joshlenoir

Adenoma wrote: »

He's not a troll, he's just immature.

The idea that it doesn't matter how toxic someone behaves because there are other campaigns just doesn't fly with me. It's kind of like littering and saying, "well that ground over there is fine."

I never said it doesn't matter how toxic someone behaves. I said it's extremely easy to ignore me and get on with the game, it's almost like there are bigger reasons besides myself that people are leaving this campaign that don't just revolve around one guy being a little mean. *Cough* AD zerg *cough*. How about we focus on what the real problem is instead of beating a dead horse with misguided anger?

Rickter

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

who can manage a group size up to 20 if not beyond?

I think I found your problem

I think the point i was trying to make is that at launch, there was truly epic large scale fighting with some very serious guilds. Over time, a lot of the raid leaders dropped off, the most recent blow being <Vehemence> on Vivec, and there just arent that many large scale teams with good centralized leadership anymore.

So PUGs run wild in the sandbox that is Cyrodiil.

Adenoma

Nobody's saying that it's all because of you. You're just the kid in the cafeteria that folks don't want to sit with.

AD is definitely zergy, but I have a hard time calling 2 bars of population a zerg in a campaign. Sure, relatively the scales are tipped in their favor, but we used to have 2 bar pop all the time. The population hasn't left due to zerging in the last month. The population left because of a ton of factors that include things like reliable off-hour fighting on Vivec, but I think most folks just got tired of the toxic politics of this campaign.

Frankly, most of what I see you do in zone is either toxic trash talking of the faction you're playing on or you write in all caps to try and pugwrangle via zone to crown Kita. That's certainly not helping anyone "focus on what the real problem is."

Joshlenoir

Rickter wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

who can manage a group size up to 20 if not beyond?

I think I found your problem

I think the point i was trying to make is that at launch, there was truly epic large scale fighting with some very serious guilds. Over time, a lot of the raid leaders dropped off, the most recent blow being <Vehemence> on Vivec, and there just arent that many large scale teams with good centralized leadership anymore.

So PUGs run wild in the sandbox that is Cyrodiil.

To be fair, the game encourages people not only by design, but through tutorials and what not, to ball up and zerg because it's technically the most efficient way to handle objectives. Whether you have 2 or 24 people in group you'll still get the same amount of ap for taking a resource or keep so there's really no incentive to have any organization outside of amassing numbers and saying "push, stack on crown" and "drop Ults".
This was a hard pill for me to swallow but some people actually do not care about very organized PvP and just want to casually win, or don't actually care at all.
I can't get mad at the guy sieging me from the top of his keep when he outnumbers my team because it wastes less potions and uses less effort than to come down and fight. It's just how it is.

Joshlenoir

Adenoma wrote: »

Nobody's saying that it's all because of you. You're just the kid in the cafeteria that folks don't want to sit with.

AD is definitely zergy, but I have a hard time calling 2 bars of population a zerg in a campaign. Sure, relatively the scales are tipped in their favor, but we used to have 2 bar pop all the time. The population hasn't left due to zerging in the last month. The population left because of a ton of factors that include things like reliable off-hour fighting on Vivec, but I think most folks just got tired of the toxic politics of this campaign.

Frankly, most of what I see you do in zone is either toxic trash talking of the faction you're playing on or you write in all caps to try and pugwrangle via zone to crown Kita. That's certainly not helping anyone "focus on what the real problem is."

99% of what I say in zone is irrelevant or me trying to have fun
Kita gets crowned regardless and I only say it so hear the same players that hate him trash talk him because it's funny.
I never said you're saying it's all because of me but based off of your insulting condescending tone it's hard to think otherwise.
At the end of the day all of this is honestly does not matter. If you care more about "toxic politics" rather than actual PvP, then you should probably go PvE as a healthy alternative.

DeadlyRecluse

I maintain a healthy level of toxic politicking in PvE too, tyvm.

Joshlenoir

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

I maintain a healthy level of toxic politicking in PvE too, tyvm.

Thank you, finally someone gets me.

Stridig

Good stuff

Phreeki

Rickter wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Pugs seem to instantly lay down siege everywhere you go now. We’ve found that out in Vivec too. It’s like they don’t want to learn how to fight anymore, and are too scared to come out (while they still have free respawns no less) unless they outnumber us by at least 3 to 1. It gets pretty frustrating at times.

thats unfortunate. Seems like it is the "new thing" these days and made more effective in noCP. which again, makes me sad and worried.

You cant blame all the PUGs though. How many true Raid Leaders are left in this game? who can manage a group size up to 20 if not beyond? So many have left because its hard work, frustrating, enemies within and without and hard to maintain.

Despite the zergs, true Large Scale PvP is going the way of the buffalo. I dont blame the game, the game hasnt changed, Leaders get burnt out.

Raise your hand if its like pulling teeth to get people to wear a tabard or join discord/voip channel.

And if youre older than 27 years old, I'd hope you were trying to focus on a family/career. Leaders are disappearing and the PUGs are running amuck with /zone warriors as their only source of leadership. challenged to face a coordinated group essentially on their own, yeah i can see why laying down siege is the first order of business.

Well tbh thats how it used to be in "the olden days" fire siege and meatbags everywhere, I'm looking @ you TM, and then players stopped doing that and stared fighting more, it's a cycle it will revert back to that eventually.

As for being older than 27 and playing this game, why would that matter?

Kartalin

Phreeki wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Pugs seem to instantly lay down siege everywhere you go now. We’ve found that out in Vivec too. It’s like they don’t want to learn how to fight anymore, and are too scared to come out (while they still have free respawns no less) unless they outnumber us by at least 3 to 1. It gets pretty frustrating at times.

meatbags everywhere, I'm looking @ you TM

Where did you the think the name Tertiary Meat came from

Rickter

Phreeki wrote: »

As for being older than 27 and playing this game, why would that matter?

I wasnt sayin there was a problem with playing the game after 27- i myself am 31. I was basically stating the generalization that typically (and this is from personal experience of various GMs over the years and rl friends) 27 seems to be the age that gaming takes a back seat and life happens. Typically. Generally. Not absolutely of course. I took a break from all gaming for several years until eso came out.

gameswithaspoon

Spoon has a fond memory of Vivec last Saturday night where the 60 man DC zerg seiged Ash Lumbermill from the Keep's cliff with cold fire cause there were 10 or so AD zerging around down there.

Fire ballistae may be par for course in Sotha, but they must be rolling in money on Vivec.

Also, Sotha's so nice right now cause it has zero zergs. Like DC shows up to take Nikel in Vivec with more players than the whole population of Sotha Sil, all three factions combined.

Spoon really prefers to play on a server with sound.

Joshlenoir

odd111out wrote: »

Also, Sotha's so nice right now cause it has zero zergs.

Ummm

Adenoma

An amount too big to 1vX doesn't mean it's a zerg. You've been in Vivec so I think everyone is on that same page with what spoons is saying.

Joshlenoir

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WhiteMage

Adenoma wrote: »

An amount too big to 1vX doesn't mean it's a zerg.

Doesn't it though? When you really think about it...

At least with balance this whacked up, I'd say so.

Adenoma

I think zergs are different on an order of magnitude between Sotha and Vivec. There are bigger zergs in nonvet than Sotha.

Sylphie

The thing I like about Sotha is that while there are zergs, they're mostly filled with uncoordinated pugs that can be baited and beaten in an outnumbered scenario. Meanwhile the zergs in Vivec are usually coordinated guild groups that ball up and run group orientated builds. I've had multiple instances in Vivec where a group of 20+ would sneak up to my 2-4 man just to ulti bomb us and proceed to chase when we didn't die. We can't win these fights since they don't split up and have enough healing (earthgore) to heal through our ultis.

That said I've been noticing more and more coordinated pug groups in Sotha. Had a group of 15 chase my duo partner and I, coordinating ulti dumps and even camping my shadow image yesterday.

gameswithaspoon

Spoon definition of a Zerg:

When D.C. shows up to siege Nikel in Vivec and the first people are on the porch while the tail end has not yet cleared Ash Front Door.

Reminds her of ESO launch.

Joshlenoir

odd111out wrote: »

Spoon definition of a Zerg:

When D.C. shows up to siege Nikel in Vivec and the first people are on the porch while the tail end has not yet cleared Ash Front Door.

Reminds her of ESO launch.

Why are you talking in third person?

Taylor_MB

Joshlenoir wrote: »

odd111out wrote: »

Spoon definition of a Zerg:

When D.C. shows up to siege Nikel in Vivec and the first people are on the porch while the tail end has not yet cleared Ash Front Door.

Reminds her of ESO launch.

Why are you talking in third person?

Lift your RP game, Josh.

Malibulove

Rickter wrote: »

Phreeki wrote: »

As for being older than 27 and playing this game, why would that matter?

I wasnt sayin there was a problem with playing the game after 27- i myself am 31. I was basically stating the generalization that typically (and this is from personal experience of various GMs over the years and rl friends) 27 seems to be the age that gaming takes a back seat and life happens. Typically. Generally. Not absolutely of course. I took a break from all gaming for several years until eso came out.

I think I see what you're putting out. You're saying you're old enough that there's a non-zero chance that your are Vurian's father.

It would explain a lot; the rambling posts, the obsession with siege, emping on empty campaigns. You guys are practically kin already.

usmcjdking

Sotha is a prime example of what happens when your main competitors are more invested in a false sense of competition than actually playing the game with another human being. Whilst it's nice to feed such young egos early on in life, it's like getting married for benefits - *** ain't gonna work out.

I stopped playing in Sotha and have taken a nice, long, extended PVP break because a lot of people in PVP are just absolutely terrible to be around.

Rickter

Malibulove wrote: »

It would explain a lot; the rambling posts, the obsession with siege, emping on empty campaigns. You guys are practically kin already.

Hey, whoever you are, im not on sotha anymore. I dont talk about it other than to communicate the factual statement that its a p*ss- poor server, worse than Shor has ever been, a sentiment echoed repeatedly in this thread, and id like to move on.

Forgot i had the thread bookmarked. Will remedy that immediately.

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Im sorry i rubbed you in such a wrong way. My opinions should be regarded as such, just opinions, and its unfortunate you spent moments of your life posting what you did. Good day, sir.